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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 23:17:11
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SimpleM
Thank you for the useful response Keni. I'm afraid several of the fanboys got their panties in a bunch over the rant/lament part of my OP and could not see that I was asking the questions that a few of you have taken the time to answer.
As a recovering ediholic  , I think using a word like "disturbing" was probably like waving a red flag...your second post that clarified matters isn't really well-represented by the thread title. In fact while I'm here...I've noticed quite a few thread titles are really kind of misleading or unclear, like threads that state there's some horrible bug rather than simply asking if others have a solution to a particular problem...or thread titles that don't indicate what the thread is actually about. It's a cliche that "you only get one chance to make a first impression," so the clearer the thread title, the better the odds of getting the intended answer.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 23:25:33
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Beepster
SEE?! Craig showed up as I was typing up my diatribe. Dude gives a shizzle. Very encouraging.
I don't want to overpromise and undeliver so I won't say much, but I was talking with Henry J the other day and he said "I think you'll be spending a fair amount of time in Boston, you'll like it up there. Well, maybe not so much in the winter..." I truly believe X3 is the start of something very cool, not just the culmination of what was learned with X1 and X2. As a matter of fact, I just got a file from Dan Gonzalez that... Oooops. Gotta be careful. I didn't say anything. Never mind. Forget you ever saw that. Thank you.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 23:31:11
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Hey Craig! Was that a carrot?
No. It's gone now.
I was sure there was a carrot.
I Can't see anything.
But what happened to the.......... Never mind nothing to see here.
What's all the talk about carrots?
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 23:37:54
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I've had a used melodyne essential for a while now. I found it very useful. Yes, I did upgrade to editor with X3, but essential was fine and with X3 it was free.
So ....................................................?
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 03:19:01
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As far as "bait and switch" with Melodyne...
1) Melodyne Essential will suit many user's needs without the upgrade to Editor.
2) The upgrade to Editor was a bargain as well ($150 versus $300).
3) Melodyne released a patch to improve the ARA functionality (with X3) so this partnership is a great one. X3 coming out of the chute with ARA on board and it being as nice as it is is rather impressive to me.
Exactly. I was a Melodyne essentials user prior to X3 and its a very useful bit of software. ARA integration in X3 made it so much easier to use. I have take advantage of the offer to upgrade to editor. Its the ARA integration rather than the fact that they bundled Melodyne essentials that is the exciting part. Things like Adictive Drums and the extra effects are icing on the cake. The core improvments are worth the upgrade price IMHO.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 05:06:19
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So the Melodyne offer has expired?.... crap.
The Melodyne upgrade offer, to the best of my understanding, has a week-long window of opportunity that begins when you first register with them for the X3 version. Once you complete that initial registration with them, they then send you an email with the offer, which will last one week from your registration date. I do not know if the offer itself has some sort of time limit, but I would think not. I hope I have explained it well enough for you - I believe you to be still eligible for the deal, IF you have not yet registered the X3 Melodyne Basic edition and then missed that upgrade window. Bob Bone
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 05:25:06
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To the original poster - I believe X3 has been a fantastic value, providing a significant level of development effort in multiple areas, like VST3 support, ARA integration, the color customization, etc., and has been very well received by both current users upgrading and a whole bunch of new Sonar users with X3.
The add-on components to me, are great gravy. Some folks use them, and some folks do not. I happen to have Komplete 8 Ultimate, and do not use a lot of the included synths from X3, but I definitely use a bunch of the included effects, as well as Dim Pro (even though I also have and use Kontakt). The Melodyne component is fabulous - even though I did not pursue the upgrade. (I had downloaded the full-blown version as an independent demo, and found it great for audio/midi conversion of single tracks, but not so good at picking out things like a guitar solo in a full mix - which they said up front it was not designed to do anyway, so I passed on the upgrade). Nonetheless, even the version that comes with X3 is a GREAT replacement for V-Vocal.
So, the additional components, in my opinion, are good for some folks, and not needed by others, with the seemingly more prevalent case being folks using some subset of the components.
In any case, I hope you find X3 to be a release you are happy with, and that you are able to expand your music production capabilities with it. I additionally hope that you find help on occasions where you post on the forum for assistance.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 06:01:31
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Hi everybody. First, let me say that SONAR is still my DAW of choice, since SONAR XL (which is the 1st flagship SONAR product.) I do sympathize with the OP in that software included with SONAR which is not Cakewalk stuff, has usually been a non-full version, which, though I don't believe is some sort of negative scheme on Cake's part, seems to be some sort of exercise in marketing asking for or tempting users to upgrade to the real deal full version. For example, some of the software that comes to mind is: the SONAR version of the DR-008 drum sampler/synth, VSampler, and Guitar Rig. Even though those examples refer to software included in older versions of SONAR, software that has been included with SONAR, which was not Cakewalk originated software, has always seemed to have been a non-full version. I remember always thinking: I wish Cake would get these companies to include the full version of their product with SONAR. So, with the release of the information of what was going to be included in X3, it was immediately apparent to me that a good change had occurred. For one thing, the real deal full version of Addictive Drums was going to be included, and a good number of ProChannel modules was included! For me coming from X1, that's very attractive news. hehe So, I'm not going to beat up on the OP, as though his post is absolutely ridiculous because it's not.Yet, as Craig pointed out, the tittle of the thread, sounds worse than what the OP is really trying to convey. Moreover, I must say, with all the stuff included in X3 Producer, this X3 release makes SONAR X3 Producer not only the best value for the buck package of any SONAR release, but it is the best value for the buck and a great purchase for any 1st time purchaser of professional DAW software! Cakewalk, I think you have hit a freakin' grand slam this time! SONAR 8.5, X1, and X2, so bases were loaded, then, BAM: X3 Producer! A freakin' Grand Slam! Congrats and thanks. I'll make the purchase no later than January 2014, but I think I'm gonna be able to do it next month. :) I'm also glad to be back around in the forum. As always, it's a multi-emotional experience. See you around, people.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 06:17:28
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Anderton
I truly believe X3 is the start of something very cool, not just the culmination of what was learned with X1 and X2. As a matter of fact, I just got a file from Dan Gonzalez that...
Oooops. Gotta be careful. I didn't say anything. Never mind. Forget you ever saw that. Thank you.
I only just get back and find myself being teased worse than I was at a strip joint, on a bucks show that I attended last weekend... Damn your hypnotic word-tassels, Anderton!!! Incidentally, will you spill the goods if I make it rain Washingtons?... 
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 07:24:13
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 11:25:50
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Anderton
lawpi would rather they bundled less & lowered the price
Sounds to me like you want X3 Studio Edition. It's basically Producer, but bundles less and lowers the price. Here's a comparison chart.
yes I think you're probably right, once some of the issues are resolved
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 11:36:26
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Been following the thread. All of it!!
Craig has confirmed what I have been saying since I started using X1:
This is just the beginning
They have something up their sleeves.
The new GUI was done to make it easier to change things, the things to come!
I will agree also with all who have said that this is the best upgrade yet!
But let me point out something that hasn't been mentioned. The Tone2 plug is the full version. And it's fantastic!! Do not miss it!!
Great job CW Team!!
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 11:52:55
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It seems to me that the consensus is clear X3 rocks.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 12:38:41
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CakeAlexS
So the Melodyne offer has expired?.... crap.
Strictly speaking, the Melodyne offer ended in October, but I contacted them directly a day late, and they sorted me out and said they were extending it through November. Just go and look up the customer services email on their site. Really nice helpful people.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 12:46:12
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I can confirm the Melodyne $149 upgrade offer was valid in 2Nov without me asking. I registered the version that came with X3 and then I was asked if I wanted to upgrade..
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 12:55:38
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Sonar X3 is a fine development of the software.
I think that the key point here, though, is that the price structure has changed quite a bit since Sonar 7 and 8. At this point, the Producer edition's added value, versus Studio, is entirely in bundled plugins. The extra cost to upgrade to X3 Producer from X2 Producer still represents a decent price for that bundle, if it offers you something of value - a few of the ProChannel effects and some of the VST instruments are certainly useful, although most of these are accessible even if an X2 Producer user upgrades to X3 Studio. Both XLN and Celemony seem to be stand-up companies committed to ensuring that no-one falls through the cracks if they already own the software, etc.
Nonetheless, it's a fact that the price structure has changed, such that the Studio edition offers power in the core software comparable to what in the old days was available only in the Producer edition.
I really wonder why Cakewalk hasn't marketed this as a drastic price drop in the Producer edition, and introduced a new "suite" edition above the Producer edition. I think that is a missed opportunity for them.
I also think that for those on the Producer upgrade path, the gradual erosion of its superiority in the core software means that Cakewalk risks having them hop down to Studio. What then happens when Producer once more gains the killer feature absent in Studio? More griping I suppose...
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 13:14:45
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Grem
Been following the thread. All of it!!
Craig has confirmed what I have been saying since I started using X1:
This is just the beginning
They have something up their sleeves.
The new GUI was done to make it easier to change things, the things to come!
I will agree also with all who have said that this is the best upgrade yet!
But let me point out something that hasn't been mentioned. The Tone2 plug is the full version. And it's fantastic!! Do not miss it!!
Great job CW Team!!
That sounds great and Craig is a huge asset but unfortunately for some the "the things to come" won't include decent notation.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 13:20:14
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I will side somewhat with the OP view. In all honesty, if I got a "do over," I don't think I would buy X3 Pro. I see the value that the majority of you enjoy in the product but in my situation, the extras didn't trump what I already own. I'm not angry about it or disappointed about it. It's just how I feel about it. I should have bought the studio version, X3 or non at all.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 13:24:39
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I will side somewhat with the OP view. In all honesty, if I got a "do over," I don't think I would buy X3 Pro. I see the value that the majority of you enjoy in the product but in my situation, the extras didn't trump what I already own. I'm not angry about it or disappointed about it. It's just how I feel about it. I should have bought the studio version, X3 or non at all.
A really cool part of the deal is that XLN will give you other stuff if you already own Addictive Drums. I wasn't going to upgrade but I'd get things I would buy anyway from XLN so it ends up being pretty cheap and MAYBE some of my X2 bugs will be fixed.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 13:27:49
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Grem
Been following the thread. All of it!!
Craig has confirmed what I have been saying since I started using X1:
This is just the beginning
They have something up their sleeves.
The new GUI was done to make it easier to change things, the things to come!
I will agree also with all who have said that this is the best upgrade yet!
But let me point out something that hasn't been mentioned. The Tone2 plug is the full version. And it's fantastic!! Do not miss it!!
Great job CW Team!!
That sounds great and Craig is a huge asset but unfortunately for some the "the things to come" won't include decent notation.
Actually I still have my fingers crossed on this one. I hope they address it in the next version. I don't know how high it is on their list of priorities. currently I am waiting for the next survey to come out. I will make it my number one choice for improvement.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 14:04:21
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Actually I still have my fingers crossed on this one. I hope they address it in the next version. I don't know how high it is on their list of priorities. currently I am waiting for the next survey to come out. I will make it my number one choice for improvement.
It won't happen. Notation has never been updated in any significant way. They added track buttons etc.. but the notation has never been addressed and sadly won't.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 14:45:16
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Marcus Curtis
Actually I still have my fingers crossed on this one. I hope they address it in the next version. I don't know how high it is on their list of priorities. currently I am waiting for the next survey to come out. I will make it my number one choice for improvement.
It won't happen. Notation has never been updated in any significant way. They added track buttons etc.. but the notation has never been addressed and sadly won't.
I've always been surprised haven't opted for a third party solution. They could have sold it under "Sonar Producer Score Edition" or something and make a few more $$$.... an idea for X4 anyway.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 14:46:14
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Marcus Curtis
Actually I still have my fingers crossed on this one. I hope they address it in the next version. I don't know how high it is on their list of priorities. currently I am waiting for the next survey to come out. I will make it my number one choice for improvement.
It won't happen. Notation has never been updated in any significant way. They added track buttons etc.. but the notation has never been addressed and sadly won't.
I've always been surprised haven't opted for a third party solution. They could have sold it under "Sonar Producer Score Edition" or something and make a few more $$$.... an idea for X4 anyway.
I kept hoping they would buy Notion.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 15:51:08
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Marcus Curtis
Actually I still have my fingers crossed on this one. I hope they address it in the next version. I don't know how high it is on their list of priorities. currently I am waiting for the next survey to come out. I will make it my number one choice for improvement.
It won't happen. Notation has never been updated in any significant way. They added track buttons etc.. but the notation has never been addressed and sadly won't.
Actually the thing that gives me hope was the fact that the notation issue was on the survey last year when they were developing X3. There was a direct question asking if I would like to see notation improved and there was a list of priorities to arrange. This means that they budget for things we request. but their resources and man power is limited. I don't think they have ruled out notation. I think they are limited by their development budget. As I remember from that survey my first choice of priorities was bug fixes and my second was colors. I am willing to bet notation did not get enough support in the survey. The fact that they asked their customers where they want their resources to go on certain features gives me hope. I think the notation was my 4th pick on the survey. Maybe it did not get a lot of votes from internal customers that time around. I think the bakers know we would like to see it. but where it is on the list of priorities is unknown.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 15:58:12
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Marcus Curtis
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Marcus Curtis
Actually I still have my fingers crossed on this one. I hope they address it in the next version. I don't know how high it is on their list of priorities. currently I am waiting for the next survey to come out. I will make it my number one choice for improvement.
It won't happen. Notation has never been updated in any significant way. They added track buttons etc.. but the notation has never been addressed and sadly won't.
Actually the thing that gives me hope was the fact that the notation issue was on the survey last year when they were developing X3. There was a direct question asking if I would like to see notation improved and there was a list of priorities to arrange. This means that they budget for things we request. but their resources and man power is limited. I don't think they have ruled out notation. I think they are limited by their development budget. As I remember from that survey my first choice of priorities was bug fixes and my second was colors. I am willing to bet notation did not get enough support in the survey.
The fact that they asked their customers where they want their resources to go on certain features gives me hope. I think the notation was my 4th pick on the survey. Maybe it did not get a lot of votes from internal customers that time around. I think the bakers know we would like to see it. but where it is on the list of priorities is unknown.
They do that in every survey going back over 15 years. I've been waiting at least that long. Trust me. It won't happen. I've even been told by Cakewalk staff that they would never do any major upgrades to notation. Avid, MOTU, Steinberg and even Presonus have done great things as far as notation but for some reason Cakewalk doesn't think it matters.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 16:17:45
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They may have thought it didn't matter at one time in the past, but things do change! With the competition doing something with their notation, CW may feel the competitive pressure.
Also with the new Skylight UI, they may have already a plan in place for a major reworking of the SV.
You just never know.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 17:40:51
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This is NOT "official Cakewalk opinion," just my take on the situation as a long-time Sonar user.
To do pro-level, engraving-quality notation, it's necessary to have software that's more or less dedicated to that task, like Sibelius or Finale. These cost about the same as X3 Producer. Notation programs have a tiny market share; DAWs, virtual instruments, and effects are about 85% of the music software market. Notation programs don't even show up as a category in most sales surveys, but are lumped with "others" or "misc."
So with respect to Sonar, it's pretty pointless to devote massive amount of resources to providing pro level notation, especially in terms of going against entrenched competition. Those who just want to print out a quick lead sheet can use pretty basic notation which is available in most DAWs, including Sonar.
So, that leaves those who are more "middle of the road" and simply want to be able to interface with a DAW using their preferred method, i.e., notation. They don't need engraving quality, but they want something that is accurate and efficient.
Now we get into areas where I could be wrong, but my understanding is that doing even "middle class"-quality notation is not at all trivial. Also, I believe that in terms of priorities as presented to Cakewalk, decent quality notation falls more into the "vocal minority" category. So if a ton of people want VST3 support, or ARA integration with Melodyne, it's more likely their needs will pop to the top of the stack.
X3d is slated to have numerous video enhancements. If you consider how many people are uploading to YouTube versus those who want to use notation as their primary means of interacting with Sonar, I'm quite sure the numbers favor those who want to upload to YouTube.
Although I rarely need to use notation, I fully understand why some users would want to be able to work primarily with notation, especially if that's how they were raised musically. It's simply faster and more fluid for them. The MusicXML export feature is fine for those who want to print notation, but not useful for interaction.
Of course you can ReWire Notion into Sonar, which some people find an effective workaround for $99. But what I hope is that at some point, a protocol like ReWire and/or ARA will allow a notation "add on" from a third party that's designed to work specifically with DAWs. Then Sonar users could use notation, but Cakewalk wouldn't have to devote the significant amount of resources required to make it possible.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 18:26:29
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Anderton
Of course you can ReWire Notion into Sonar, which some people find an effective workaround for $99. But what I hope is that at some point, a protocol like ReWire and/or ARA will allow a notation "add on" from a third party that's designed to work specifically with DAWs. Then Sonar users could use notation, but Cakewalk wouldn't have to devote the significant amount of resources required to make it possible.
If a 3rd party notation program like Finale, Sibelius, or Notion could be exposed to work with in SONAR like X3 integrated ARA, that sounds like it would be the better way to have support for notation programs in SONAR, in view of Craig's excellently voiced opinion of why it's unlikely that Cake would revise the notation support provided by SONAR. And while we're into expressing our wishful thinking, I think it would be a great idea to update the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder to include an option to use Average Bit Rate encoding. It can also be updated to use the latest LAME release 3.99.5. I don't think there ever was an update of the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder. Updating it can't be that hard to do. Can it? Just thought I'd throw that last bit of wishful thinking in. 
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/10 18:42:08
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I have to think that Avid, MOTU, Steinberg and Presonus expect to get returns on their outlays for notation. Just the education market alone is potentially profitable. My take is that Cakewalk has avoided it so long that now it would be to hard. When the 1st Windows 3.1 Cakewalk was released it had the best notation on the Windows platform. Craig, what's your take on why Avid, MOTU, Steinberg and Presonus have spent resources on notation?
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