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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/09 18:17:40
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Frozen is not yet processed. As explained early, folders are not going to be converted. But I have mentioned, we can discuss that.
Or I can just remove the folders from projects that I have archived that I know will be used again. Will test b14 tonight....about 6 hours from now and report back on vst 3s.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/09 19:48:05
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Frozen is not yet processed. As explained early, folders are not going to be converted. But I have mentioned, we can discuss that.
Or I can just remove the folders from projects that I have archived that I know will be used again. Will test b14 tonight....about 6 hours from now and report back on vst 3s.
Thanks. But I do not understand what you mean by "remove the folders". Converter is just ignoring them, so the result is independent from where the track was, in a folder or not. Note that before b14, in case a strip was not routed to a bus (f.e. routed to hardware output) but had a send, it was structured under send target with output disabled. That is changed now, such tracks/buses stay at "top" level, independent from sends. Also "Matrix data track" is no longer shown (probably will return it with check there are some clips on it, I was using matrix as an "independent storage" for not currently used clips in some projects). And disabled FXes stay disabled. That has irritated me during of of the tests too much 
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/11 02:06:08
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VST3(i) should be converted, with saved presets. I have (shortly) tested what I have in Splat.
Nope. Alexy, my large project I sent you has a bus called "Jason Guitars" with a VST3 Fabfilter Pro Q-2 on it and it is converted but the EQ curve is not there. It's a flatline. Same for the bus called Drums Final with a VST3 Fabfilter Pro-L. No params set, just default. There a few more but you get the drift. No settings are retained in VST3 as of b14.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/11 12:30:16
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Same here on vst 3s. Most of mine are synths from Arturia. They load as does the MIDI data but the presets are all the synth defaults.
One very odd thing and I have no idea why this is occurring. If I have a cwp that was created in either X1 X2 or X3, but then opened at some point and resaved in Platinum, when I open those cwps in Reaper, non of the tracks are correct. Probably nothing can be done about that. If I open cwps that were created in the versions prior to Platinum and not resaved with Platinum, they load fine. I'm going to test this more later.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/11 16:55:15
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For VST3. I do not have many. CA-2A, RapturePro and 2 Wave plug-ins are happy (in Splat projects). I have found ST3 is not restoring preset, so I still have one my own case to fix.
Thanks for the observation with X1-3 projects are Platinum problem. Can you describe what you mean by "none off the tracks are correct". In respect to plug-ins, clips, routing, all of that or something different?
I can check myself, but will have simpler task if I know what exactly I should check.
PS. There will be not much from me next week...
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/11 19:00:24
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Alexi I will never even pretend to be the programmer you are, but I am good at troubleshooting so here's what I've determined from what I wrote above.
My audio folder pathway in SONAR under Preferences/File/Audio Data is set to my E Drive (it's 2 terabytes vs my C Drive which is a 240 GB SSD). Until about a year ago I would archive all my old projects as bundles instead of per project audio folders. When I open an old bundle by default it puts the audio in the folder on my E Drive. When I then go save the old bundle as a .cwp it copies the audio from the E Drive to project audio folder on my C Drive leaving the original audio on the E Drive as well. For some reason those are the projects that will open in Reaper but the audio tracks are jumbled meaning there may be multiples of the same guitar tracks on all the drum tracks, vocals on a keyboard tracks etc. as I stated above.
As a test I reset the audio pathway in Sonar to its default of C drive and opened some older bundles again this time knowing no audio would be going to the E Drive location and being copied over. to the C Drive. After that I opened the new cwp file and Reaper and it played perfectly. It loaded my vst2 plugin-is with settings, routing to Reaper folder tracks/busses was correct and everything lined-up great.
So in my case it has something to do with the audio folder pathways. Maybe something in Sonar is confusing the converter your working on, maybe it's a Windows thing. I'm no programmer so I have no idea why. I think I solved a big issue, at least on my machine or for anyone unpacking old bundles and re-saving them as cwp files.
I hope this helps. You've made excellent progress so far!
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/11 19:46:48
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Thank you for the investigation. I can imagine what can produce such effect during conversion. CWP has a list of used audio files (names). And the name of audio folder (normally .\Audio). These files are references by index, so 0 - first ,1 - second, 2- third, etc. During all my tests, I had per-project ./Audio and files in it. Also files in CWP was always indexed from 0.
It will not wonder me in case Sonar not really use that "Audio folder" or start indexing from not zero under some conditions. I am away from home this week, so I have hard time to test such thing. Since you have found working procedure, we can just ignore it (may be with warning in the documentation). But we can also find the reason and fix it in a week. I let you to decide.
About vst3. I have uploaded b15. It loads presets correctly for every VST3 I have. I have also downloaded iZotope Vynil in addition. And it restore preset as well. So, I run out of cases I can reproduce myself.
Please do the following:
* create a project in Sonar, with just one audio track. Into FX bin, load VST3 plug-ins which refuse to load preset after conversion. You can put many of them. Do not change anything in inserted VST3, so leave them with default settings.
* create a project in Reaper (DO NOT convert from CWP!). With one audio track. And insert the same VST3s. Also do not change settings.
Upload resulting CWP and RPP somewhere, and let me know the link.
(that way I can check that converter produce from CWP exactly the same settings as Reaper produce itself).
Thank you for testing! I do not really know CWP format. The success and stability of conversion solely depends from the brightness of tests.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/11 19:59:44
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I also noticed in b14 that if I have a track with three sends only the first send routing is there.
b15 told me there were 12 conversion errors. I did not have conversion errors in b14.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/11 21:47:56
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I also noticed in b14 that if I have a track with three sends only the first send routing is there.
Thanks for reporting. Will check
b15 told me there were 12 conversion errors. I did not have conversion errors in b14.
There was a bug for one case of problem reporting. i guess that was "warnings", which was there but not reported in b14.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 03:04:52
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Last post for the day. Regarding vst 3 support. In my case it is the 3rd party non Cakewalk vst 3s that do not remember settings. I did a test project with Cakewalk stuff only the Z3TA synth, the CA2A LP EQ and LP MB saved it in SPLAT with various settings and they all loaded fine in Reaper. I then added in a Softube vst 3 and an Arturia soft synth vst 3 to the same project in SPLAT and the settings on those did not translate to Reaper but all the Cakewalk settings did. Hope this helps. I will PM you with a link to my ftp site later this week with a demo project.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 14:09:17
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This may be an absurd question Alexy, but is there any way to have your utility transfer prochannel EQ bands/settings accross to an EQ in reaper? I have found this to be the most time consuming process in transfering to any DAW.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 16:31:56
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This may be an absurd question Alexy, but is there any way to have your utility transfer prochannel EQ bands/settings accross to an EQ in reaper? I have found this to be the most time consuming process in transfering to any DAW.
Not in the first alpha. But till they encrypt the preset (I have not checked yet, but I doubt they encrypt enything), it is possible (and planned).
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 17:19:29
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I also noticed in b14 that if I have a track with three sends only the first send routing is there.
I could not reproduce... Some example?
b15 told me there were 12 conversion errors. I did not have conversion errors in b14.
Can you try b16? Unfortunately I am not sure that will work, but there is some chance...
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 17:23:04
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tenfoot
This may be an absurd question Alexy, but is there any way to have your utility transfer prochannel EQ bands/settings accross to an EQ in reaper? I have found this to be the most time consuming process in transfering to any DAW.
Not in the first alpha. But till they encrypt the preset (I have not checked yet, but I doubt they encrypt enything), it is possible (and planned).
Brilliant Alexey. You never cease to amaze me!
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 17:52:33
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Just Another Bloke
I also noticed in b14 that if I have a track with three sends only the first send routing is there.
I could not reproduce... Some example?
The large project .cwp I sent you. Many of the drum tracks have 3 sends but only the first send is transferred.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 18:47:57
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b15 told me there were 12 conversion errors. I did not have conversion errors in b14.
Can you try b16? Unfortunately I am not sure that will work, but there is some chance...
Yes b16 eliminated the message.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 20:30:26
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The large project .cwp I sent you. Many of the drum tracks have 3 sends but only the first send is transferred.
Found it... sends to AUX tracks was not processed correctly. I have tried to fix in b17, please check (Platinum things are hard to test for me this week). Just Another Bloke
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b15 told me there were 12 conversion errors. I did not have conversion errors in b14.
Can you try b16? Unfortunately I am not sure that will work, but there is some chance...
Yes b16 eliminated the message.
I was really hoping it not only eliminate the message, but also the problem Are these plugins still refuse to restore presets?
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/12 21:13:46
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Alexy, Under b17 the sends are now correct and my 3rd Party VST3 Presets are restored in the Reaper Project. YAY!!! Now.... if we could just get those pans and levels. BTW, what will you be doing about Gain settings? IIRC Reaper has a Pre-fader level/gain setting. Also, I've been meaning to point this out. My test project has the Sonitus Compressor and I've never had a Repaer crash playing the project.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
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Under b17 the sends are now correct and my 3rd Party VST3 Presets are restored in the Reaper Project.
YAY!!!
Now.... if we could just get those pans and levels.
This is the very next step.
BTW, what will you be doing about Gain settings? IIRC Reaper has a Pre-fader level/gain setting.
Yes. Take envelopes as clip envelopes and pre-fx envelopes as gain. But after public alpha.
Also, I've been meaning to point this out. My test project has the Sonitus Compressor and I've never had a Repaer crash playing the project.
I have no ideas under which conditions that happens and from where it comes (apart from general idea that is related to side chaining). While we can not expect any changes in sonitus plug-in and DX technologies as a whole, Reaper is in continuous development. Also as I have written in before, I can try to convert presets of some particular plug-ins into presets of some other plug-ins. But that has low priority for me.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/13 13:40:01
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17b works great. Happy to report all vst 3s now load with presets. Great job!!! Take a well deserved break sir.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/13 18:02:12
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Awesome!!! Excellent work Azslow!!!
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/13 20:10:48
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17b works great. Happy to report all vst 3s now load with presets. Great job!!! Take a well deserved break sir.
I had plans to take a break this week... But b19 is there, APPROXIMATE settings for mixing parameters (volume, pan, sends volume and pan). Approximate because: * pan law it not converted yet * no track gain / clip gain * conversion produce +-1dB deviation from original values (more investigations are required for more precise mapping) * no connection with envelopes yet (explained in comments for envelopes) But I think current version has sufficient number of features to: 1) demonstrate the project is REAL (there are people which still do not believe it is) 2) cover almost all areas. 3) is reasonably stable so, I would like to make the first public alpha. But the question to pre-alpha testers: do you have other opinion? Should I add something else before the first alpha? Making public version can: * increase the number of testers (more problem reports - more chance to fix bugs) * show the level of the interest to advance it * define priorities for not yet converted parts So, should I? Or...
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/13 20:19:53
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Time for a public alpha IMO. The more input you get the better you can make the tool.
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2018/02/13 20:50:29
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At this point it's doing quite well for me with small and big projects. I think it's time to go public. I just hope people follow the changelogs and have a good understanding of how reaper works or they may have some problems.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
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☄ Helpfulby Just Another Bloke 2018/02/13 21:15:26
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Time for a public alpha IMO. The more input you get the better you can make the tool.
Have you tried b20? Does it sound more or less as original project in Sonar? PS: sorry, I have made a mistake with versions upload. So correct one is b20, not b19 (which zero all sends levels..)
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
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Ok, released as public alpha. 
post edited by azslow3 - 2018/02/13 21:26:49
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/14 02:10:19
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Just got done with b20. Working quite well. I've already started opening older MIDI only projects and resaving them as Reaper projects. b20 is that good.
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks
2018/02/14 06:24:39
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Just got done with b20. Working quite well. I've already started opening older MIDI only projects and resaving them as Reaper projects. b20 is that good.
Please note that not all MIDI event types are converted! If you have program changes, sysexes, etc, they are currently discarded.
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