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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks 2018/02/14 07:43:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Just Another Bloke 2018/02/14 23:15:32
I bet you're happy there aren't multiple versions of Reaper. 
 
 
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks 2018/02/14 23:14:07 (permalink)
Noel should just not worry about it at this point.

Im not really sure why anyone really needs this though. By the time youre done with a project you should be down to broadcast wavs which are in your folder and can be opened in any ither app.

However, this azlow person is pretty awesome. I use the mackie. Dll he made.

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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks 2018/02/15 14:31:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Just Another Bloke 2018/02/15 15:22:41
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Im not really sure why anyone really needs this though. By the time youre done with a project you should be down to broadcast wavs which are in your folder and can be opened in any ither app.



Erm....perhaps people who aren't yet done with a project and wish to finish it in Reaper? And you do realize there's a LOT more to projects than just wavs, right? Mix settings, effects chains, sends, automation, MIDI, synths, routing, bussing.....so no, it's rarely just a case of exporting wavs into another app. If it were, azlow would have found no reason to develop this tool and people wouldn't be raving about it so much. 

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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks 2018/02/15 16:43:07 (permalink)
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Im not really sure why anyone really needs this though. By the time youre done with a project you should be down to broadcast wavs which are in your folder and can be opened in any ither app.

Erm....perhaps people who aren't yet done with a project and wish to finish it in Reaper? And you do realize there's a LOT more to projects than just wavs, right? Mix settings, effects chains, sends, automation, MIDI, synths, routing, bussing.....so no, it's rarely just a case of exporting wavs into another app. If it were, azlow would have found no reason to develop this tool and people wouldn't be raving about it so much.

I guess music industry has tamed all users to export wavs and MIDI. At most fx preset banks. Claiming everything else is "too special" to be converted. Up to the level users can think "why someone ever want to use FX chain or routing from one DAW in another?".
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks 2018/02/15 19:20:41 (permalink)
Books can last for 100's of years. I can't think of any digital format that lasted for 20. 

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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks 2018/02/15 19:27:22 (permalink)
So far things have been good with b20. MIDI projects for me open well, minus some of the things listed above. Audio projects open well also and so do the effects. I have had no crashes or unexpected behavior.
 
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Re: Coming soon: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks 2018/02/15 20:00:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Just Another Bloke 2018/02/15 20:00:53
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Im not really sure why anyone really needs this though. By the time youre done with a project you should be down to broadcast wavs which are in your folder and can be opened in any ither app.

Erm....perhaps people who aren't yet done with a project and wish to finish it in Reaper? And you do realize there's a LOT more to projects than just wavs, right? Mix settings, effects chains, sends, automation, MIDI, synths, routing, bussing.....so no, it's rarely just a case of exporting wavs into another app. If it were, azlow would have found no reason to develop this tool and people wouldn't be raving about it so much.

I guess music industry has tamed all users to export wavs and MIDI. At most fx preset banks. Claiming everything else is "too special" to be converted. Up to the level users can think "why someone ever want to use FX chain or routing from one DAW in another?".
May be when the first book was saved on a diskette  for the first time, someone has also commented: "by the time youre done with a book, it should be printed on paper. No need to save it digitally..."




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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 03:21:46 (permalink)
For grins I downloaded the .zip and put the .dll file into my userplugins folder, then tried to open one of my old Sonar 5 .cwp files, but I guess they are way too old. Any Sonar 5 file I tried seems to toss out a parser error, and multiple conversion errors/warnings.

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 06:25:56 (permalink)
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For grins I downloaded the .zip and put the .dll file into my userplugins folder, then tried to open one of my old Sonar 5 .cwp files, but I guess they are way too old. Any Sonar 5 file I tried seems to toss out a parser error, and multiple conversion errors/warnings.

Upload an example somewhere (just CWP, without any audio) and I can check. I do not have any version prior X to test myself.

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 16:37:22 (permalink)
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For grins I downloaded the .zip and put the .dll file into my userplugins folder, then tried to open one of my old Sonar 5 .cwp files, but I guess they are way too old. Any Sonar 5 file I tried seems to toss out a parser error, and multiple conversion errors/warnings.

Upload an example somewhere (just CWP, without any audio) and I can check. I do not have any version prior X to test myself.




I uploaded a .cwp file and attached it to this post.
https://forum.cockos.com/...p;posted=1#post1955159

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 16:37:23 (permalink)
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For grins I downloaded the .zip and put the .dll file into my userplugins folder, then tried to open one of my old Sonar 5 .cwp files, but I guess they are way too old. Any Sonar 5 file I tried seems to toss out a parser error, and multiple conversion errors/warnings.

Upload an example somewhere (just CWP, without any audio) and I can check. I do not have any version prior X to test myself.




I uploaded a .cwp file and attached it to this post.
https://forum.cockos.com/...p;posted=1#post1955159
 
Here's the direct link to the attachment too.
https://forum.cockos.com/...33057&d=1518798873

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 17:11:31 (permalink)
I guess this has a reverse effect on me personally. Give it to me for free and push Reaper until I'm sick of hearing about it on the Cake site and I don't bite. Maybe if you charged me for it and didn't feel the need to keep pushing Reaper I might be more inclined to bite, but only if I had invaluable files in Sonar and had no other way to save them.
I do commend aslow for his great work. I know my views here will not be popular. I accept that. If a Sonar/Reaper solution works for some I'm happy for you. Doesn't float my boat though...even a little bit.
 
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 17:27:48 (permalink)
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For me Reaper is the red headed step child. With emphasis put on "for me".




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Well, I suggest (StudioOne) that you not look at Reaper (StudioOne), because there are a lot (StudioOne) of other posts with other (StudioOne) DAW software mentioned (StudioOne) that you would be a lot (StudioOne) happier with.
 
Reaper(StudioOne) is a no frills software(StudioOne) that isn't for everybody (Sonar) because it doesn't look or behave(StudioOne) like the be-love-ed (Sonar) (StudioOne) like other DAW software that gets mentioned(StudioOne) just a little bit(StudioOne) here.
 
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 19:33:45 (permalink)
I am a biased human being I can't get around that fact. For some unknown reason I'm thinking about Studio One now 
 
I will state this from my biased self but I believe every word of it. Studio One was probably the closest transition for most because of the way it works. Not exactly the same but close enough to grok without too many extra moves.
I'm more than willing to take unbiased medications to correct my issue but this is how I see it. Did it get mentioned here a lot? Yes it did. True dat.

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 20:11:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby foldaway 2018/02/19 21:18:10
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I am a biased human being I can't get around that fact. For some unknown reason I'm thinking about Studio One now 
 
I will state this from my biased self but I believe every word of it. Studio One was probably the closest transition for most because of the way it works. Not exactly the same but close enough to grok without too many extra moves.
I'm more than willing to take unbiased medications to correct my issue but this is how I see it. Did it get mentioned here a lot? Yes it did. True dat.




I was biased against Reaper until I got a project up and running in it, and then I was totally converted. 

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/16 20:38:36 (permalink)
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For me Reaper is the red headed step child. With emphasis put on "for me".

My converter project is somehow "scientific" approach of DAW comparison.
If everything user can do in a DAW "A" is saved in the corresponding project file, "translating" this file into DAW "B" can in details show similarities and differences, at least in respect to produced sound.
 

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/17 20:42:28 (permalink)
So here is an example of a converted project from SONAR to Reaper using reaper_cwp tool.
 
Here is the SONAR version.
 
Here is the Reaper version.
 
A word of note. The tool has yet to convert SONAR Gain setting into a Reaper Trim setting. So I took about 20 minutes to manually convert them. And lastly, since his tool does not yet convert automation the synths automation was not set manually.
 
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/17 21:10:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Just Another Bloke 2018/02/17 21:11:58
One thing I just noticed is that I have some older projects at 44.1 sample rate. I have Reaper set to 48, but if I open a 44.1 sample rate project it loads fine, but won't play until I change the setting in Reaper. Not a big deal, but maybe make some note in the documentation later on that this could be a minor issue. So far no issues with synths since the alpha was released. All tested MIDI and audio projects seem to loading well.
 
 
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/17 21:12:46 (permalink)
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One thing I just noticed is that I have some older projects at 44.1 sample rate. I have Reaper set to 48, but if I open a 44.1 sample rate project it loads fine, but won't play until I change the setting in Reaper. Not a big deal, but maybe make some note in the documentation later on that this could be a minor issue. So far no issues with synths since the alpha was released. All tested MIDI and audio projects seem to loading well.
 
 


I'll need to remember that.... for many moons I was using 44.1K but for the last 3 or so years I've been using 48K.
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/18 09:31:39 (permalink)
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One thing I just noticed is that I have some older projects at 44.1 sample rate. I have Reaper set to 48, but if I open a 44.1 sample rate project it loads fine, but won't play until I change the setting in Reaper. Not a big deal, but maybe make some note in the documentation later on that this could be a minor issue. So far no issues with synths since the alpha was released. All tested MIDI and audio projects seem to loading well.

I indicate original sample rate, it should be in "Project Settings" / "Project sample rate".
For me, when a project with different sample rate is converted, my audio interface is switched to this rate and everything plays out of the box.
I guess in case your current interface does not support the original sample rate of the project, it won't play till you change in. Fortunately, unlike in Sonar, that is possible in Reaper.
For the moment, I do not see how I can improve the behavior on converter side.

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/02/18 13:16:38 (permalink)
You were right, I had "Request Sample Rate" checked in Reaper and it was set to 48k in preferences. If I un-check that everything works regardless of the project sample rate.
 
Edited to add I got all the Sonitus stuff working. For some reason Reaper wasn't seeing the compressor, or the gate, and put the delay in an instrument folder. Probably because it thinks the delay is a tempo based effect since you can sync it to the host tempo. I had to modify one of the .ini files to get the other two to show-up but all good now.
 
As for MIDI, the only issue I'm having is with multi timbrel synths like Kontakt. If I have several instruments in one instance of Kontakt I have to go through and route the MIDI tracks to correspond to the correct MIDI channels. Not a big deal, and if anything it helped me understand how Reaper handles synths in that manner.
 
 
 
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/04 08:15:54 (permalink)
Ok so it’s time to start working on that Sonar to Cubase converter.πŸ˜„
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/04 09:07:25 (permalink)
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Ok so it’s time to start working on that Sonar to Cubase converter.πŸ˜„

While I have shown that conversion is possible, please do not interpret that as a willing to convert into any existing DAW
 

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/04 14:40:37 (permalink)
Just to say, this converter is amazing.

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/09 06:38:21 (permalink)
Hi all, due to ill health I've been out of the loop for a month. Would some kind person bring me up to speed with the Splat to Reaper converter pls?
 
Is the reacwp_0_0r2b45.zip the very last version?
Is development still happening?
Anything else I should know?
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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/09 10:15:48 (permalink)
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Is the reacwp_0_0r2b45.zip the very last version?

Yes (for today).

Is development still happening?

Yes.

Anything else I should know?

Read the documentation, what is converted and with which differences. It is always up to date.
 
If something does not work, let me know. Since I do not have "a dedicated team", if no-one report a problem, there is zero chance it is fixed. But (unlike with Sonar...) if the problem is reported, there is a big change it is fixed. At least you will get a good explanation when not.
 

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/10 17:58:03 (permalink)
Will this also save a project BACK as a CWP?

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/10 19:32:41 (permalink)
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Will this also save a project BACK as a CWP?

No. That is way more complicated and at the time the project was planed there was no reason for that.
 

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/10 19:47:48 (permalink)
OK, I will be the guy to ask this question... 
 
Why would you want to go back? 

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Re: Sonar to Reaper in 4 clicks (public alpha) 2018/03/10 21:11:10 (permalink)
Thanks for the update azslow.
Within a week or so I should be back up to full steam in my studio and I will post my findings regularly   

I have empirical evidence this is true... (Bender told me!) 
Cakewalk by BandLab, Splat and other DAW's
PC = Win 10 64 Bit, i7 3770, 16Gb RAM, 256GB Samsung 2.5’ 840 PRO SATA6GB/s SSD 1, and 2 x 2Tb Internal, 
Monitors = 2 24” Samsung SA450 and 1 20” Dele
Edirol = Octa-Capture-UA1010, Quad-Capture-UA55, PCR-500,
Berringer 2 x FBC 1010 Alesis Control Pad KRK monitors
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