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Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404)

Hi there,

I just got the E-MU 0404 sound card, which I am excited to use. Looking through the instructions, I'm somewhat worried about the installation. It says you have to "disable onboard sound". Googling that mentions stuff about the motherboard.

Is it enough to go into the Device Manager and disable/uninstall the sound board there? It's just your basic Dell with a Creative basic sound card. I don't care about re-installing the creative once I get the 0404 in (not sure why you'd want to) but I just want to get the EMU in.

Has anyone done this install? How did you do it? I just reformatted and updated my PC and I don't want to screw it up at this point! Any help is appreciated.

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    Jamz0r
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/18 21:51:30 (permalink)
    I disabled my onboard audio in CMOS Setup when I installed my EMU 1820m.

    It's very simple.

    Boot into CMOS by pressing the DEL key on your keypad when your computer splash screen (brand/logo) comes up on a restart.
    Then, open the proper settings bank in CMOS, mine is the first on the list.
    You should find your audio device (or a category that it would obviously be in).

    Disable it, save and exit.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 08:41:40 (permalink)
    You would only go into the BIOS if you have an integrated motherboard soundcard to disable it in order to freeup a physical IRQ. Since you've stated that it's a Creative basic soundcard - I'm assuming a Creative SoundBlaster Live, first uninstall all the Creative software. Rebooth the computer and then shut it down. Open up the computer and remove the Creative SoundBlaster card and replace it in the same PCI slot with the Emu 0404. Follow the instructions carefully in the manual and install the Emu software.

    You can download the latest upgrade to the drivers and PatchMix, and also tutorials for the 0404 at this link:

    http://www.emu.com/support/files/download2.asp?Centric=764&Platform=1

    PS: Be careful and ground yourself. Static electricity can ruin your PC big time.
    post edited by DeBro - 2006/02/19 08:59:06
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 09:28:44 (permalink)
    Thanks DeBro - my Device Manager indeed says "Creative SB Live! Value (WDM)" - I assume it's some bundled version of the Live. I don't see any uninstall information in Add & Remove Programs - do I do the uninstall in the Device Manager itself, by right clicking on the SB and doing an uninstall there? There is also a GamePort - do I leave that alone or uninstall that too?

    Thanks for the link and the advice!

    Tom
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 09:31:21 (permalink)
    Yes, you can uninstall it from the Device Manager. Unless you're going to use the game port, I'd uninstall that too.

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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 10:45:28 (permalink)
    Tom,
    Take a good look at all the cables you need to connect. You will probably need adapters to connect your existing stuff to the EMU. Radio Shack has a wide assortment.
    Don't forget that you will need to use a soft synth for MIDI.
    The ProteusX LE that comes with the 0404 sounds better than the Edirol VSC, but you need to run the VST adapter to use it.
    You might want to use a sharpie to highlight the labels on the jacks. They are hard to see if you don't have a light under your desk. Enjoy.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 12:55:48 (permalink)
    Why do people think the only place to buy electronic supplies is Radio Shack? My experience is that RS is the absolute WORST place to buy anything. They sell crap and the salespeople don't know squat about what they are selling.

    You want cables or adapters? Go to Best Buy or Circuit City or better yet... go to Musician's Friend and have it delivered right to your house. You'll save gas and aggravation and you'll get a better product than anything you'll get from RS.
    post edited by daveny5 - 2006/02/19 13:00:23

    Dave
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 13:05:06 (permalink)
    LOL

    Yep, Radio Shack is lame.
    The only use I ever have for them is if I need to build some sort of cable or connection, and I need it right away.

    Radio Shack,
    You've got questions, we've got batteries.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 13:07:06 (permalink)
    Hmm, for some reason I didn't notice you had an actual soundcard.
    Guess I fixated on the "onboard" comment.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 14:39:36 (permalink)
    Thanks again for the tips. I definitely don't need the gameport, I'll uninstall them both. Good idea about marking the cables. I actually have an assortment of adapters already - from RS I think - so I'll probably be good to go.

    I don't do anything MIDI, this is really to help us get good voice recordings for our Church radio show, as well as decent instrument recordings from voice/guitar. I certainly would like to play with the soft synth though - I'm hoping it's pretty easy to get running :)

    Ok, I'm going for it!
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 16:22:46 (permalink)
    Hi there,

    Ok, so I got it installed, however I have no sound! :) Well, that's probably because my powered speakers are not hooked up. So I hooked up the analog piece, and I see that it takes 1/4" inputs for the sound out.

    I have a pair of Audix powered speakers that have a cord like so (apologies for the blurriness)



    Looks like they are 1/8". Can anyone tell me what kind of adapter I need to get? I have a Best Buy right down the street I can go to, I'd like to have some idea of what I am looking for before I go, although I suppose I can bring the cord and wire harness with me...

    Edit: One other question - there were two cords attached to my old sound card that the E-MU seemingly didn't need/want. Was that for system sounds? Is that why I have no sound at all right now - even out of the PC speaker? I assume now the only way I can get sound out is to get my Audix speakers hooked up?

    Thanks

    Tom
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 16:28:50 (permalink)
    Those are RCA connectors in that pic.

    You confused me with your description of what you have/need....

    If the soundcard has 1/4" outs, then you need an adapter that goes 1/4" stereo to right/left RCA female...so you can presumably connect those RCA's (which go to your speakers?) in the pic to it.



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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 16:32:29 (permalink)
    I'm sorry! - What I showed in the picture are the connectors from my SPEAKERS. Those need to connect (I assume) to the analog OUTs of the E-MU. The E-MU has what appears to be 1/4" connectors.

    So somehow my RCA from the speakers need to connect into the 1/4" of the sound card. I'm unaware of what kind of connector allows such a connection.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 16:47:05 (permalink)
    Okay, then you need a 1/4" stereo to RCA L/R adapter.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 16:47:46 (permalink)
    Great - thank you!
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 17:28:57 (permalink)
    Oh oh, score a point for Radio Shack! They had the adapters but Best Buy didn't!

    In any event, hooked them up - launched iTunes and began playing the shuffle. Worked great...for about 30 seconds..then bang - it just totally froze up :( and I mean totally, couldn't do task manager or anything and then it rebooted itself.

    I did follow the link above and do the updates. I can certainly hit up E-MU support tomorrow, but anyone have any ideas on why this might happen?

    Also there was some setting in Cakewalk I think I am supposed to set - "always check for MME..." or somesuch, but I could not find it, if anyone can point the way...

    Thanks

    Tom
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 17:29:06 (permalink)
    I have an Emu 0404. What you have shown in the picture are left and right male RCA connectors. What you need is two 1/4" male to RCA female adapters to connect to tha Emu 0404 1/4" female left and right connectors. Check the link below. You'll need two of that.

    http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/usrecordingmedia-store_1885_8226516

    EDIT: Okay, I see you already bought the adapters.
    post edited by DeBro - 2006/02/19 17:36:07
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 17:36:56 (permalink)
    Thanks DeBro :) Yep, those are exactly what I got... now have to figure out why it crashes.

    I did install Proteus as well, unfortunately the instructions are not for Cakewalk Home Studio to access it.. anyone know of a place where there are instructions for using Proteus in HS? Sorry for all the questions!
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 17:48:04 (permalink)
    Did you remove the old soundcard?
    Since you were using a Creative card before, and are now using a Creative Professional card, the Creative drivers might cause conflicts.

    You should physically remove the old card, and uninstall the old drivers, then reinstall the newest version available for the EMU card. (PatchMix 1.81 - Driver 1.82)

    Then, once all is set, go in and select ASIO mode in Cakewalk.

    If you've done any/all of this, then I'm out of ideas..
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:03:52 (permalink)
    Yes, I did physically remove and uninstall the old one (and restarted) before installing anything new. I did also do the patches.

    Where do I select ASIO mode, I can't seem to find it under Options...
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:07:09 (permalink)
    Did you rebooth the computer after the installation of drivers and updates? You'll have to learn how to configure PatchMix. When using Home Studio with this soundcard, it's best to place HS in ASIO mode. In the 0404 tutorial that's in the link I gave above, there's instructions on how to set up Cakewalk's audio sequencers.

    Also download the 0404 Stereo product Default Session for WDM and ASIO applications. Extract it and place it in the My Sessions folder which was created in My Documents folder. At the top of the PatchMix interface, there is a "Load New Session" icon. Click on it and load the 0404 Stereo product Default.session file.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:10:38 (permalink)
    Yep, the default session is a good place to start...once you tweak a session to your liking, you can save it.

    To set Cakewalk to ASIO mode, go to Options > Audio > Advanced

    I use GT Pro 3, but it's probably something similar, or even the same.

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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:11:34 (permalink)
    I did indeed reboot both times. I'll take a look at that link.

    Is the 0404 Stereo product Default Session at the same link you gave?

    Thanks
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:12:48 (permalink)
    So, just to clarify, you uninstalled the old SB drivers BEFORE you installed the new EMU drivers?
    Doing this in reverse order could remove needed files from your creative folder.

    Just thought I'd mention this...
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:15:05 (permalink)
    Down at the bottom under "Sessions".
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:45:56 (permalink)
    Yes indeed, I did uninstall *before* installing - and removed the card first before installing the new one. I tried relaunching iTunes and it crapped out again right away - just totally locks up and gets hung up on like one note.

    I got the session and installed it, and it loads at startup - on to the manuals I guess. I found the setting and set HS to ASIO (not that I have any idea what that means!)
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 18:57:45 (permalink)
    Forget about iTunes at the moment. Play a CD using Windows Media Player and report back on how it plays.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 19:00:51 (permalink)
    Agreed.

    Get audio working in Windows, and in Cakewalk, then mess around with your other less important apps.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 20:06:49 (permalink)
    I have to agree that the salesepoeple at Radio Shack are lost with this stuff. I wouldn't buy anything but adapters from them.
    As for Proteus, I muddled through this one and found the way.
    Go to Start>Programs>Cakewalk>Cakewalk VST Adapter 4.
    The Wizard will come up.
    Click Next.
    VST Plug in Search Path will come up.
    You should see C:\Program Files\Steinberg\Vstplugins.
    Your Drive may be different depending on your system.
    Click Next.
    You will see VST Plug-In Configuration.
    Highlight ProteusXLE.
    Click Next.
    Now, in HS, Click Insert>DXI Synth>VST>ProteusXLE.
    Everything but "All Synth outputs" should be checked.
    Click OK.
    Proteus should open in HS. If you need more MIDI tracks, insert them, and assign the inputs as you need them.
    For I-Tunes, many apps do not respond well to hardware changes. I have had to reinstall many programs after changing video and audio cards. Most likely I-Tunes is looking for the hardware that was in place when it was installed.
    It looks like you have the patches and physical connections under control. Keep going, you're almost there.
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    RE: Sound card installation question (E-MU 0404) 2006/02/19 20:15:38 (permalink)
    Ok, Windows Media Player crashed out too. It played a bit longer, but not much. It also crashed on sound in web browser, including a flash movie. It seems any sound crashes it. :( Man, I am really kind of bummed, I thought this would be a simple thing.

    Appreciate all the continued help, any other ideas I can try? Not sure if I mentioned this is a brand new install of of XP, just last week I did a clean install, reformatted the drive and everything so I've got a real clean system running.

    Robert, I don't get Cakewalk>Cakewalk VST Adapter 4.. my only choice is Home Studio 2004>Home Studio 2004 under Cakewalk... (I did do the install of Proteus with the tools CD)
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