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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/09 15:43:41 (permalink)
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On a semi-related note, MuseScore is free (GNU, GPL license) notation package that is truly remarkable.  It isn't crippled like the low-end versions of Finale or Sibelius.  Check it out; www.musescore.org  It exports MIDI and MusicXML files, so it's compatible with Sibelius and Finale.



Tried MuseScore. Really pretty nice, especially for free. I found it very will organized. One thing missing which is important for me is chord diagrams. I found MuseScore similar to the version of Sibelius I have which is the education version 5 I think I paid like $100.
 
However, as a guitar player, I still like Guitar Pro which is like $60 and seems like the most extensive for the money. I'm sure the full version of Sibelius is probably better, but much more expensive. One thing I hate about Sibelius is how hidden things are. It pretty much relies on you remembering short cut keys or navigating many layers of sub menus. Even if you know exactly what it is you want to enter it is often difficult to find in the help how to do so. Both MuseScore and Guitar Pro do a much better in their layout visually so you don't have to search through help to find short cut keys or find a hidden sub menu.
 
Things I like about Guitar Pro:
* Sound Engine (like a VSTi) so not limited to GM sounds.
Not really that important but worth mentioning. I know the full version of Sibelius has this also. But again, the full version is very expensive. Perhaps the newer cheaper versions have this also, but I'm going with the version I have as an example as this is all I know.

* Implements cords and diagrams very easily.
Hit the "a" key opens a chord dialog box where you can easily pick chords from. The chord notes, chord symbol and diagram are automatically entered into score. The version of sibelius I have does not do chord diagrams. MuseScore does not have chord diagrams.

* It's very easy to find anything you need to add to the score.
Everything you need to add to the score is represented by well organized box of symbols. If you mouse over a tool tip says what it is and what the short cut key is. Highlight target area and click to add. For those of us that don't do this professionally, it's easy to find what you're looking for without specifically remembering exactly what it's called. Sibelius is the worst at this as mentioned above relying on hidden sub menus or quick access keys. MuseScore on the other hand also does a good job at organization by using quick access drop down list boxes of every function available.

* Add notes via clicking on virtual guitar neck or keyboard
Mindless is good if it makes getting things done quicker.
I find entering notes via guitar neck diagram often the most mindless and quickest way. Guitar Pros implementation of this is done well. You can even pick scales to be displayed on the diagrams. I believe Sibelius added this feature in the newest version. I believe Sibelius even lets you add scale diagrams much like chord diagrams. Not sure if it's included in the cheaper versions or only the full version and not really sure how well it's implemented. I'm pretty sure MuseScore does not have this feature.

I've found all three do formatting well. Obviously this is where Sibelius shines as it's made for professional printing of scores. But for most of us, any will do formatting fine. Any except for Sonar. This for me has been the weakest part of Sonar's scoring capabilities. You have little if any control over print formatting of scores in Sonar. OK, Sonar is not for printing and I agree. However, when you go to print out a score in Sonar and it wants to print 20 pages because it's stretching 2 measures horizontally, tons of unneeded white space between lines and still has overlapping text such as in instrument names etc, pretty much useless. And it's a shame because they've had many of these advanced features mentioned above in their scoring capabilities since I remember with Pro-Audio 9, way before I remember anyone else having them. It's kind of a shame it has fallen to the wayside such as it has. And competing now with programs like Reaper etc, it is one thing Cakewalk had a step ahead of the competition. I would agree with people who don't want scoring in Sonar to take away from developing other parts of the program. It would be nice if it didn't have to take away from anything.
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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/19 05:34:34 (permalink)
This is getting ridiculous. How many years will it take?

I'm mostly a lurker and I've been reading these requests for staff view improvements for years now. I have filled in the survey and the FR form and even posted about it once or twice. I admire your determination at discussing this matter to keep it alive for what seems like forever.

Will we still be asking for staff view improvements in another five years?





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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/19 06:23:01 (permalink)
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This is getting ridiculous. How many years will it take?

I'm mostly a lurker and I've been reading these requests for staff view improvements for years now. I have filled in the survey and the FR form and even posted about it once or twice. I admire your determination at discussing this matter to keep it alive for what seems like forever.

Will we still be asking for staff view improvements in another five years?


Honestly? :) I don't really mind if they don't solve it for a few years still,  but at least  they should find a way to integrate one of the 3rd party companies that have been at their best to invent one. I immagine it could work like word builder for EWQL Choirs so dunno

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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/19 13:52:03 (permalink)
So what's the situation with Notion 3? Sonar 8.5 was sold bundled with it for a short period - what happened then? Does anybody have any experience of it?


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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/20 00:44:30 (permalink)
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So what's the situation with Notion 3? Sonar 8.5 was sold bundled with it for a short period - what happened then? Does anybody have any experience of it?


Kind regards
wb


Notion has potential but it's seriously half baked and real progress is very slow.  It has a bug where in won't record C.C.#64 Pedal that I've been waiting and waiting for and it's still not in the latest release.  A serious flaw for a "composition" app if you ask me.

I've finally accepted the fact the Sonar will never have usable notation.  They pretty much only cater to the loopy-paint-by-numbers "I have software so who needs real music chops" crowd.  I'm sure it's profitable for them but if you do orchestral work or anything that needs notation the only choice for Windows unfortunately is Cubase.  I haven't made the switch yet but it looks like it will have to be in my future.  Sad really.
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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/20 01:36:58 (permalink)
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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/20 01:45:40 (permalink)
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Waldemar Brisk


So what's the situation with Notion 3? Sonar 8.5 was sold bundled with it for a short period - what happened then? Does anybody have any experience of it?


Kind regards
wb


Notion has potential but it's seriously half baked and real progress is very slow.  It has a bug where in won't record C.C.#64 Pedal that I've been waiting and waiting for and it's still not in the latest release.  A serious flaw for a "composition" app if you ask me.

I've finally accepted the fact the Sonar will never have usable notation.  They pretty much only cater to the loopy-paint-by-numbers "I have software so who needs real music chops" crowd.  I'm sure it's profitable for them but if you do orchestral work or anything that needs notation the only choice for Windows unfortunately is Cubase.  I haven't made the switch yet but it looks like it will have to be in my future.  Sad really.

Oh brother, here we go again. 

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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/20 01:57:26 (permalink)
Yep.
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Re: RE: Staff View 2010/10/21 00:52:44 (permalink)
Who needs better staff view notation when they can keep on bundling sub-par plugins and virtual instruments with Sonar?

*sinks into a pool of sarcasm* lol ;)
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