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2017/11/21 17:26:27 (permalink)

Studio One Pro

So, with the news that Cakewalk is stopping development on Sonar, I was curious about where Studio One was in development. I'm not sure who was copying who, but it sure looks like a lot of recent Sonar stuff has been added to Studio One. Anyone here use both and can give a good accounting of how hard or easy it is to transition to Studio One Pro? I'm mostly interested in what things are more difficult (if anything) and whether there are any areas that are missing (from a Sonar user's perspective). It looks to be  pretty well-rounded...
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 18:46:11 (permalink)
I did have to relearn a few things, and I still have to Google for videos or instructions on how to do a few things every now and then, but I like the way Studio One works and have been using it much more than SONAR for a while now. I watched some Groove 3 videos to help transition as well.
 
Still hate to see Cakewalk going away, as I have been using them since the 90s and have several of their plugins and synths.  Good old Gibson, killing everything in their path and charging double or triple what their guitars are really worth.

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 19:16:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/11/21 19:54:44
For anyone looking to transition out of Sonar, given the unfortunate news, Studio One would be my #1 recommendation. It's a very nice DAW, lots of features, very flexible and straightforward, and relatively stable. 
 
I found S1 pretty easy to pick up after using Sonar for years. You can map frequently-used key commands (like "s" to split an audio clip) to make the transition easier.
 
If you're thinking of running a Mac, I would also suggest taking a look at Logic. 
 
And if you're seriously into the music production business and want to play with the big boys, Pro Tools is still king.
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 19:25:39 (permalink)
Might be some useful info in this 2016 thread, too.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Studio-One-m3347053.aspx
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 19:46:21 (permalink)
Totally shocked by this news today.
 
I have been a long time Sonar user and also a Studio One user. S1 has been great for me. You can check out tons of online videos for it. 

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 20:04:20 (permalink)
dcumpian. I'm not sure who was copying who, but it sure looks like a lot of recent Sonar stuff has been added to Studio One.



utter rubbish, before making such comments learn where the original s1 team are from.. they are / were ex-cubase developers. there are many things that look the same across many daws. you think sonar introduced everything ? lol. best look around a bit more.
 
if that news is true regarding updates.. so much for "lifetime updates for a 1 off price"...  one "deal" I'm glad I missed out on.. been burned enough with other vendors without cakewalk joining in.
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 20:19:54 (permalink)
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dcumpian. I'm not sure who was copying who, but it sure looks like a lot of recent Sonar stuff has been added to Studio One.



utter rubbish, before making such comments learn where the original s1 team are from.. they are / were ex-cubase developers. there are many things that look the same across many daws. you think sonar introduced everything ? lol. best look around a bit more.
 
if that news is true regarding updates.. so much for "lifetime updates for a 1 off price"...  one "deal" I'm glad I missed out on.. been burned enough with other vendors without cakewalk joining in.




No, I don't. But for a DAW that is relatively new to the market it looks a lot like all the others. I'm not saying that is good or bad, it just lines up with your comment. I don't think it's a bad thing at all since it will make transitioning from Sonar easier. To my mind, Sonar and S1 have more in common than most others.
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 20:30:38 (permalink)
So is Studio One the most similar DAW to Splat?
 

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 20:40:14 (permalink)
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So is Studio One the most similar DAW to Splat?
 




Based on my read of the reference guide, it looks to be the easiest to transition to and PreSonus has done a lot to add midi features that were largely missing from earlier versions. Cubase probably has the best midi implementation, but the transition from Sonar looks pretty steep.
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 20:44:28 (permalink)
Between the threads here and the Deals forum, Studio One seems to be the most popular alternative.
 
If you're not sure what to do, I suggest doing nothing for now. There's no reason to believe Sonar won't work well for years to come. By the time things start not working, "where to go from here" might be more obvious.
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 20:53:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby 11Dreams 2017/11/21 21:07:17
While Cakewalk says the servers will remain on, there is no guarantee that circumstances beyond their control will force a shutdown. I mean, they do cost money to maintain and operate. At some point, unless a patch is released, Sonar will fail to authenticate and revert to demo mode. I'd rather take some time to begin transitioning to another DAW than wait for an unpleasant surprise...
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 21:01:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/11/21 21:02:38
My transition was surprisingly painless. Certain aspects like piano roll were actually easier to pick up. I have been using less than a year and am nearly as proficient as i am in sonar.
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 21:05:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/11/21 21:16:00
Well Studio one is 50% off at sweetwater right now... :)
$200.00 I guess that the plan for me then... :(
 
HUM? I wounder if they have a forum I can inVADE!!! lol ;)
 
 

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 21:14:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby olemon 2017/11/22 03:47:20
MIDI is the most critical thing for me and this was not very good when I tried Studio One some time ago. I am sure its been improved a lot since then so I may take a look at the demo version again.
 
Presonus has a lot of hardware that should integrate well with Studio One, that could be a plus point.

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 21:17:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/11/21 21:19:07
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MIDI is the most critical thing for me and this was not very good when I tried Studio One some time ago. I am sure its been improved a lot since then so I may take a look at the demo version again.
 
Presonus has a lot of hardware that should integrate well with Studio One, that could be a plus point.



Pull the Demo and check it out...that's the best way to find out!





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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 21:18:33 (permalink)
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MIDI is the most critical thing for me and this was not very good when I tried Studio One some time ago. I am sure its been improved a lot since then so I may take a look at the demo version again.
 
Presonus has a lot of hardware that should integrate well with Studio One, that could be a plus point.




Midi is very important for me as well. Cubase is probably by far the most developed besides Sonar, but the environment is so different that I'm wary of the time it would take me to transition. S1 looks so much more familiar...
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 21:19:15 (permalink)
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I'd rather take some time to begin transitioning to another DAW than wait for an unpleasant surprise...
 



Fair enough. I'm just advocating (in general) not to do anything drastic in reaction to the news. Give yourself some time to digest it.
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 21:23:45 (permalink)
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dcumpian
I'd rather take some time to begin transitioning to another DAW than wait for an unpleasant surprise...
 



Fair enough. I'm just advocating (in general) not to do anything drastic in reaction to the news. Give yourself some time to digest it.




To be fair, I've dabbled with other DAWs in the past couple of years when Sonar's rolling updates caused me a lot of grief. But then things settled down and got better. S1 has always looked interesting and now I have a reason to dig into it. I've previously tried Reaper and just never felt completely comfortable with it, even though I did spend a good deal of time setting it up to my liking. I rfeally started this thread to see if anyone would give a good reason not to try it. So far, I've only heard good things.
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 22:11:27 (permalink)
Anyone know how the Mackie MCU works in S1?

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 22:12:29 (permalink)
What a stupid mess this is! 
 
It looks to me like S1pro is the knee-jerk response. As far as I can see the free version of S1 doesn't allow the import of VSTs, and I'd like to be assured all my investments work, but I assume they will. I have Cubase elements and never really felt comfortable with it. Plus there's Steinberg's charging for the 0.5 builds of their products.
 
Whilst Sonar could continue working, the risk of it collapsing half way through a half-finished album of work is too risky. I'm fortunately at a part of the cycle where I've just finished my most recent works. So it looks like a good time to jump ship. 
 
The biggest pity is the possibility of this forum fragmenting. Presonus' forum looks moderately busy, but if a fraction of us from Sonar the forum invade them, they won't know what hit them!
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 22:19:12 (permalink)
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Anyone know how the Mackie MCU works in S1?



demo it.. it should work as described, I'd bet..as their own products also have MCU.. but their own produce really work better in studio 1 than elsewhere. integration is seamless.
 
cubase is fine, but my issue is they are a bit hungry for my upgrade money... i've used cubase since st days.. and years on pc (10+) and some things from even back then are still familiar.  I do prefer the midi aspects of cubase in ways, BUT thats got dumbed down over the years. e.g. I used to love using scripts for patches, that gave names. later versions didn't support the scripts.
 
 both are similar to sonar in aspects, but things like ableton / bitwig how you arrange would be more alien.. 
 
I do find I work differently depending on the DAW I'm using.
 
 
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 22:47:24 (permalink)
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Anyone know how the Mackie MCU works in S1?

I just checked, and, yes, it's supported. There are 3 built-in profiles for Mackie: Mackie Control, Mackie Control Extender and Mackie HUI.
 
Note that I struggled getting the control surface on my Panorama P6 to work well with SONAR, but it works great with S1.

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 22:48:36 (permalink)
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/21 23:25:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/11/21 23:50:30
OP, the transition was a breeze for me, I jumped ship around Studio One 3's release, there is a few little things you'll have to learn, but I mean it was just install and on my way basically, easy as to be honest.

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/22 00:19:34 (permalink)
I had been using Sonar since before the "X" series but decided to try Studio One a few years ago and decided to switch. I did keep up with Sonar and purchased a lifetime update, but have not used it for quite awhile. It is a real bummer and I feel for all the Sonar folks 
 
A few things worth mentioning if you are thinking of trying Studio One:
 
- Check out the Project Page. After finding this in Studio One, I now use this as my starting point in creating/assembling songs. It makes it very easy to jump from song to song in a project, make updates, and remix.

- Being a hardware "and" software company, Presonus Studio One is very tightly integrated with Presouns hardware controllers (Faderport, StudioLive CS18AI) and the new StudioLive III mixers by the end of 2017.

- There is a very large and helpful forum similar to the Sonar forum on the Presonus website and there are many helpful Youtubes to get you up and running.
 
As I said, I tried Studio One, got hooked, and have not had a need to used Sonar in many years.
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/22 00:29:06 (permalink)
Their fb group has like 20000 members. You can get help there too.

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/22 00:42:45 (permalink)
I just downloaded the Studio One 3 reference manual. It's 307 pages long, compared to 2,500 pages in the Sonar reference manual. Of course this is not a totally reliable method of comparing software products, but it's got to be some indication of the depth of the programs.
 
I've read that Studio One doesn't match Sonar in MIDI functionality. I'd love to learn more about that, since I use MIDI editing a lot for both hardware and software synths. Does S1 have the equivalent of INS files for hardware synths? Does it have the equivalent of Event View? Can you do most of your editing in Staff view? Does it have a sysex librarian, as Sonar does?
 
I plan to spend some more time with the manual, but maybe a Studio One user could chime in here.
 
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/22 00:46:21 (permalink)
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Anyone know how the Mackie MCU works in S1?


From my experience, my Mackie MCU Pro worked the best in Studio One then any other DAW I have tried. You can control plugins the best. No other software required or controller needed.
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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/22 11:41:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/11/22 13:56:50
Studio One 3 Pro demo downloaded and installed... Had about an hour on it and, considering I didn't hit the manual, or the interwebs once, I got an instrument track down, with a simple sequence, a couple of effects busses.
 
Studio One 3 Pro treats send effects "channels" and busses as different things it seems, so I am referring to actual busses here, same as I would do in SONAR.
 
If I was forced to choose RIGHT NOW, then I think I would still go for Reaper (it is much cheaper for starters, and I already own it). I need to play with Studio One 3 Pro some more, methinks...

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Re: Studio One Pro 2017/11/22 16:31:23 (permalink)
I wish I could comment on the depth of midi editing in SO3. I'm a basic midi editing kind of guy.The midi functions it has does all I need it to do. I have read though that some who were using the deep midi capabilities of Sonar were disappointed in SO. This was a few years ago so this might have changed. This in no way means that what most probably do with it is inadequate. Might come up short for the deep user though. It all depends.
 
It takes just a little longer to scan my 500 plus vsts. That isn't a major thing for me. It doesn't appear to import mp3 files directly. Something I don't often do. If you need that though, might be worth looking into...or converting to something else.
 
The arranger in SO3 is second to none IMHO. You can easily move sections of arrangements around. I found this to be really helpful. 
 
Their answer to the command console in Sonar is more sleek and where you get updates and news from Presonus.
They have a direct upload to Nimbit, Soundcloud, use of offline mastering links similar to Sonar. Mac compatibility, so if you work with a mac user you can share files directly.
 
I think their hardware is under rated here on the Sonar forum. With the addition of recent hardware acceleration latency times can be trimmed WAY down.
 
I think there is far more to like about it than not to like. I found using keystrokes for FF,RW, REC etc fast. I found the GUI layout easy to use if not a little small to my eyes. Everything is drag and drop. It's easy to add efx and sends.I use two monitors and that made it easier, but I think even on a laptop the opener page is easy to navigate.
 
I really like the way Sonar lets you customize the GUI. It seems more open and usable to a guy with bad eyes. This was one of the main reason I chose to use Sonar. Probably with some GUI customizations I could grow to like SO3 better.
 
One other thing I should mention. SO has album mastering tools not seen in most other daws. You can master an album complete with tags for upload. While Sonar has some decent mastering tools it doesn't touch the surface of what SO3 can do in mastering a project. 

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