Great minds think alike there Glennbo. I was just foolin with SD, settin up a custom Avatar kit (sorta like yours above) with some pieces from the Latin Percussion EZX when I accidentally "cleared" some midi notes when I added bongos. I too then discovered the "learn" feature. Have I died and gone to heaven? Could be! Whoo Hoo.

ORIGINAL: vicsant

Will we ever need to record live drums again with this tool?

Who needs a drummer anymore? Nah, just kidding. But Superior sounds great!!! I too have to wait a couple of months before getting it though .


Enjoy it guys!

ORIGINAL: vicsant

Will we ever need to record live drums again with this tool?

FWIW, my Ludwig studio kit is now in the closet. No way that I can get better sounds in a small project studio drum booth.

I saw the demo looks incredible, but may wait til its 64...

Our main DAWS are Vista 64


Although we are probably going to build a softsynth DAW only...

I have both BFD 2 and Superior 2. I like them both but BFD 2 has it's share of bugs that can be maddening- especially with hihat responsiveness in rendering. Superior worked well out of the box and no other drum sampler I know of (maybe Ocean Way Drums but haven't tried it) has this much detail on the cymbals and snare. BFD 2 will give you far more variety of kits and but the ones they include don't have the impact that Superiors samples do (unless you get a platinum samples expansion). I do still like the room and cymbal samples in BFD 2 though.

"The thing that stands out most is that Superior's full library is 20GB, whereas BFD's is 55. That seems like a huge difference even with the price differential."

This is because Toontrack uses a proprietary loss-less compression on their audio files to keep the size down. This makes installs and load times faster and easier. Don't judge by data size- it's very misleading.

"BFD also has quite a few more effects"

Actually, they are on par with each other. Superior has eq, compression, gate, and transient shaper. It also has a much more intuitive midi player for grooves.

BFD 2's mixer interface is nicer I'll agree there.

FWIW I'm awaiting my copy of Superior 2.0 any day now ...

Best Regards
Ludvig

Which Roland kit would you guys recommend to properly trigger the Superior 2.0?

ORIGINAL: Glennbo

ORIGINAL: vicsant

Which Roland kit would you guys recommend to properly trigger the Superior 2.0?

I use this cheepo TD-V6 V-Drums kit. I sold the cheezy cymbal looking pads it came with (which false triggered chokes to frequently), and put the maximum number of dual trigger gum rubber pad (which don't false choke) on the kit. Here's how it works at driving Superior Drummer 2.0

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=403575&songID=6711003

And here's the kit I'm playing the sample above on.

Sound's great.

You really need something like the TD-V6 to use with Superior. It would be a "crime" to program your drum grooves on a midi keyboard or with the piano roll. Now we'll have to factor in the cost of a V-Drums kit too!

ORIGINAL: Mod Bod

Glennbo,

After listening to your sample, do you like the sub kick mic? I love the extra ooomph it gives down in the low end. But it doesn't seem to thump my sub too much.

Yes, I was playing with the three kick mics just last night, and giving them each a real good listen to see what area they cover. I noticed the same thing with the sub kick mic. It must be hitting more toward the mid-bass frequencies. You know what those sub kick mics really are? An 8" speaker mounted in a drum shell. Yamaha found out that recording engineers were using NS10 speakers on kick drums, so they evolved the idea into the SKRM100 SubKick microphone.

ORIGINAL: Psalmist35

ORIGINAL: vicsant

You really need something like the TD-V6 to use with Superior. It would be a "crime" to program your drum grooves on a midi keyboard or with the piano roll. Now we'll have to factor in the cost of a V-Drums kit too!

Guy's,
You all have really got my curiousity working here. I'm not a drummer, so maybe you all could answer some questions for me from a drummers standpoint.

The Roland TD-20 seems to be the "Porsche" model but way out of my price range. Obviously the samples in that brain are a factor also. Are the mesh type drums a desireable type of drum to play on?

Are all dual trigger drums created equal? (side stick, brushes, rim sounds)

What about the cymbals? The technology seems varied between manufacturers. Are most similar in design? As far as hand mutting goes, what is necessary to accompolish this?

The only kit in MY price range is the Alesis DM5-Pro ($799 USD). Are any of you guys familiar with this kit? Is it any good?

Sorry for Hi-jacking this thread. Back to our regular scheduled programming!!

Regards,
Rich

I had kits using the Alesis DM5 and D4 modules and they are no match for any V-Drums kit from Roland. The TD-3 which sells brand new for $999 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-TD3SW-VCompact-Electronic-Drum-Set?sku=447838 could likely be found used on Ebay for even less than the $799 Alesis kit. Even the cheepo TD-3 supports the Roland hihat, which nobody does as well. As far as mesh heads go, I'm a drummer and I actually went to guitar center with $400 cash in hand to buy one for my snare pad. They are supposed to be more sensitive than a standard gum rubber pad. Anyway, after playing on one for for a while I decided to keep my money and spend it on something else. I just couldn't see enough difference in the playability to warrant the cost difference. As far as the internal sounds on an electronic kit that will be used to trigger something like Superior 2.0, you'll never need the internal sounds. I don't even have audio lines connected to my V-Drums brain. It's a midi controller only.

I have been away from the forum for a while and I almost missed this one.
I have ordered thee upgrade from DFHS now for 89 euros. That's not bad at all.
Look forward to receiving it.

ORIGINAL: Glennbo

I had kits using the Alesis DM5 and D4 modules and they are no match for any V-Drums kit from Roland. The TD-3 which sells brand new for $999 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-TD3SW-VCompact-Electronic-Drum-Set?sku=447838 could likely be found used on Ebay for even less than the $799 Alesis kit. Even the cheepo TD-3 supports the Roland hihat, which nobody does as well. As far as mesh heads go, I'm a drummer and I actually went to guitar center with $400 cash in hand to buy one for my snare pad. They are supposed to be more sensitive than a standard gum rubber pad. Anyway, after playing on one for for a while I decided to keep my money and spend it on something else. I just couldn't see enough difference in the playability to warrant the cost difference. As far as the internal sounds on an electronic kit that will be used to trigger something like Superior 2.0, you'll never need the internal sounds. I don't even have audio lines connected to my V-Drums brain. It's a midi controller only.

Glennbo,
Thanks for the reply. That's exactly the information I was looking for. I will weigh my options. I've been using STYLUS for most of my work but I'm needing something more. When I came across this thread I immediately started pricing equipment. It's drums or an electric guitar. Not sure what I personally need more in my studio.

Anyway, thanks! You're info is very helpful and I'm far more informed now.

Regards,
Rich

I just discovered something....you get damped versions of ALL the snare!! sweet.....i love damped snares.

ORIGINAL: vicsant

Which Roland kit would you guys recommend to properly trigger the Superior 2.0?

you might also check out the Trapkat kit from Alternate Mode. Strictly a MIDI controller (no internal sounds). Pretty small footprint in your studio for a 25 piece drum set!