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Guitar Rig 4 does not use IR's but 5 does. If you use the Control Room Pro in stead of the older cabs it used Redwire Impulse Responses (IR's). I know if no way to add your own IR's.
Gotta add that Control Room Pro is what makes GR5 sound so much better than its predecessors!
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there is a hardware unit that all it does is provide cabinet simulation and its like super expensive I think its called torpedo by two notes and they offer a free vst here http://www.two-notes.com/...tware/torpedo-pi-free/ Revalver is know as the king of tone as far as real amp tone goes, in the software realm and it has a feature for working as a host to input a third party fx plugin at any point of the signal chain can TH2 do this.
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Yep, you got it right on all points. When 4 Control Room and 5 Control Room Pro were announced (both IR based) there was a fair amount of user chatter about adding the ability to use your own IRs. There are workarounds as mentioned in this thread.
Edit: I find it interesting that IRs have popped up as a topic again. I though this stuff was old news.
Maybe I'm wrong but I though that GR4 used models instead of IR's for cabs.
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Marcus Curtis
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there is a hardware unit that all it does is provide cabinet simulation and its like super expensive I think its called torpedo by two notes and they offer a free vst here http://www.two-notes.com/en/software/torpedo-pi-free/ Revalver is know as the king of tone as far as real amp tone goes, in the software realm and it has a feature for working as a host to input a third party fx plugin at any point of the signal chain can TH2 do this.
Myconsumerclub thanks for the link. Checking out torpedo now. It looks cool. TH2 does not operate as a host and as far as I know you cannot put third party effects into it. But you really don't need to let's compare features, Revalver Features - 20 amp models, including Peavey 6505®, Classic®, 3120™, Sensation™ 20, Masterpiece™ 50, ValveKing® and JSX® amps and Budda® SuperDrive and V-Series amps
- 12 Preamplifiers
- 9 Power Amplifiers
- 21 Stomp box / pedal-type effects
- 12 rack-style effects
- More than 778 speaker simulations using real-time convolution and membrane modeling
- 8 Utility Functions including tuners, analyzer, splitters, and more
- Fully MIDI mappable
- Tuner
- VST®, RTAS®, Audio Units™ compatible
- ASIO® / WDM, Core Audio™
- Standalone or Plugin
Key Features for TH2 - Randall®, Brunetti® and THD® authorized modeling, with models approved by original manufacturers
- 45 amplifier channels with 125 operating modes
- 4th generation analog emulation technology
- 3D, gapless positioning of microphones for two mics
- Advanced cabinet emulations with ReSPiRe 2 technology
- SLR technology allows morphing between two amplifiers (make your own amp models)
- Advanced preset management
- Easy to build or modify your own signal path
- Revolutionary GUI, host or MIDI real-time control via Smart Controls
- EXCLUSIVE - VariFire, a gain-character control for expanded distortion color control
- 4th generation tube and analog emulation engine
- In-line high quality Tuner
- 16 Factory Banks with 135 Sound presets and 634 Variations within those (basically 634 presets)
- Very low CPU usage
- 70 stomp boxes, pedals and rack effects
- Parameters can be synchronized to the host tempo, internal BPM with any time division or millisecond
- Studio Ambience reverb can be added in proportion to the distance of the microphone from the speakers
- 18 Microphones: you have your choice of Dynamic, Ribbon, and Condenser microphones, with up to four microphones for each cabinet!
- 29 Cabinets
- Plug-in or Standalone mode
- BREVERB and SprigAge basedreverb effects
I did not list all the features of TH2 but as you can see this thing is far better then anything I have every used. I have used Guitar Rig, Pod Farm, Gearbox, and Revalver. Going to download and test the free Torpedo. Thanks for the link
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clintmartin
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You can also load IRs. It comes with several, but I will look forward to trying some from redwirez.
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scook
Yep, you got it right on all points. When 4 Control Room and 5 Control Room Pro were announced (both IR based) there was a fair amount of user chatter about adding the ability to use your own IRs. There are workarounds as mentioned in this thread.
Edit: I find it interesting that IRs have popped up as a topic again. I though this stuff was old news.
Maybe I'm wrong but I though that GR4 used models instead of IR's for cabs.
I remember trying the demo/player version and the main difference w/ the real version was that it didn't have the IR option, only "matched cabinets". I wasn't sure but according to this article, IR based cabs were indeed available in version 4. http://www.soundonsound.c...y10/articles/nigr4.htm
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BLOWN AWAY by TH2. I own Guitar Rig(3, 4, 5), Revalver, Line 6 Pod Farm(2), POD XT Live, POD X3 Live, plus I use the LE version of Eleven as well as Ampire. I have to say TH2 is hands down the best for me. I liked it so much, I went and bought the X2 upgrade version for $99. First off, for me I need software that has a true standalone mode for those late night jams and moments when most of my song concepts come to me from playing around. This has that. The tones are exceptionally well done. The interface is simple, and very easy to manipulate. What sold me was the sound, especially the spatial sounds from some of the ambience patches. The metal tones are wicked - with less high end "fizz" that I normally have to shape out of the Pod stuff. The low ends are detailed, and punchy. You pretty much have all the stomps you need as well.
Slight knock on the GUI- especially on my MacBook Pro, but I can live with it for now. A STEAL @ $99.00
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scook
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Yea, when Control Room was announced for 4 I do recall some buzz by users to incorporate custom IRs, same with Control Room Pro in 5; hasn't happened yet. No big deal, there are other IR options and Control Room Pro is good enough for my purposes. I am interested mixIR2 (and the IR libs) considering the vendor's rep and it is 64bit.
On an unrelated note, I did use both versions of ReValver before Peavey bought it. The HiGain amps in ReValver II were pretty good but the effects were unremarkable. The upgrade deal that Peavey offered turned me away from the product. I would not buy an ampsim for the effects but the effects in GR5 aren't bad. I am waiting to try the SONAR version of TH2.
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amiller
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I listened to the demos on the website...meh.
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Another test per say- I just got through playing TH2 side by side with my HD Pro. Both patches were "similar" in nature, which is to say that they were both built by me, with both a growl and breakup types of blues tone. I would really hate to have to choose between which one I liked better right now. Both reacted to my playing styles and both allowed changes when I backed off the volume or dug into the strings. Both were very toneful. Now add this info into the equation - One is a Flagship model piece of hardware, and one is just software only... Yea I know the hardware is able to create lots of other tones and it is worthy of attention. Im not saying I dont like the HD Pro, cause I do. And the HD Pro I have had for a while, and know how to set up. But the TH2 Ive only had a few days. Im still knob dickin with it. I havent even been thru very many of the presets yet. damn it sounds good... fyi- Listening to the demo's is not quite the same as DLing and playing thru it. Feel the beast roar and then get to pet it I say. Then you will know its true nature. I love the tones this software thingy is able to create much more compared to others I own including GR5 and Ampitube 3. As always YMMV...
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clintmartin
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I feel the same way pretty much as a HD500 owner. They are both capable of good tones. Right now I'm liking TH2 for the extra cabs and mics. They are far more adjustable than my HD500, plus it has the ability to load IRs. I'm glad I have both. I think I'll wait and see whats in TH2 Sonar before I buy the full version. I don't need a lot of those heads, cabs and effects...
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+1 I think that is the smart money play
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If the SONAR version includes the ability to load custom IRs I'll let you know.
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Marcus Curtis
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I just want to be sure about this; so I will ask: Can TH2 inport IR Responses (like those from Rewirez)? This article ( http://live4guitar.com/article/overloud-th2-the-future-of-intelligent-guitar) indicates that it can, but I would like to hear from someone on this forum who knows this to be the case.
This is from the TH2 Manual
The Cabinet IR module
The Cabinet IR is a custom module allowing users to load preset IRs or to import their own IRs.
First of all, IR stands for Impulse Response, which is a particular technique allowing for the „sampling‟ of the acoustic response of a real cabinet (or any linear acoustic system like room reverbs) through a technique called Convolution. This „sample‟, once captured and deconvoluted, can be applied to your signal chain in TH2 thanks to this module.
Find more information on Impulse Responses and Convolution here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_response
http://acoustics.net/content.asp?id=19
http://noisevault.com/nv/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=29
http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_convolution_reverb_beyond/
http://emusician.com/tutorials/audio_alchemy/
Import IR
TH2 accepts WAV files as sources, with any resolution (best is 24 bit or 32 bit floating) and sample rate. The Cabinet IR module is mono, meaning that it will accept only mono IR (each cabinet speaker is mono by defini-tion).
A useful source for custom cabinet IRs is:
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum.php?f=32
Hit „Import IR‟.
Select either one of the already available groups or click on „New group…‟.
The OS file management window opens up.
Dive to the place your IR(s) is (are) placed.
Select it or shift-select them.
IRs are loaded, automatically trimmed, maximized, DC offset, phase-regulated, analyzed, converted and co-pied to TH2 own internal file directory.
The Cabinet IR panel features and con-trols
Dual IR: you can load up to two different Impulse Responses (Cab-1 and Cab-2) either coming from totally different cabinets or from the same cabinet with different set-tings, positioning or mic choice.
Invert Phase: inverts or reverses the phase of the se-lected IR for augmented phase-cancellation effect when balancing two different IRs.
Balance: balances the relative level of Cab-1 and Cab-2.
Power: bypasses or activates the Cabinet IR module.
Accuracy: sets the overall accuracy of the IR in the lowest frequencies (sub 80 hz). Usually Low (L) is good for CPU overhead, un-less you need a very faithful and deep bass response, then choose either Mid (M) or High (H).
Filters: apply a steep hi-pass and/or low-pass filter to the cabinet sound to get rid of an-noying frequencies.
Delay: sets a delay in hundreds of milliseconds between the two IRs, emulating different distances of the virtual mics from the speakers, thus introducing lots of comb-filtering. Drag to the left to delay Cab
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cecelius2
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Thanks Marcus and Scook!
I played with the demo and read that section of the manual, but I was having trouble finding the "import IR" button. I was looking in the wrong cab. I found it in the "cabinet IR" cab, but the "import IR" button was grayed out; then I remember reading earlier in this or another thread that the feature was grayed out in the demo, but available in the activated full version. I just could not find the import feature and was looking in the wrong place. So, thanks for replying, for the info, and for helping me to to look again a little more closer.
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Check out the blog for a complete run down of what is included in th2 version of Sonar. http://blog.cakewalk.com/
post edited by Thatsastrat - 2012/09/11 12:08:05
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Marcus Curtis
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Check out the blog for a complete run down of what is included in th@ version of Sonar.
http://blog.cakewalk.com/
Thank you Thatastrat That answered a ton of questions. There are some great things in Sonars version, here are all the amps included in the Sonar version, The TH2 Amp contains eight amps modeled after some of the most classic sought after amps: Rock 900 (UK) Top30 SloDrive Darkface 65 Modern Bassface ’59 Rock ’64 Overloud Custom THD UniValve Randall T2 Here are all the cabinets 4×12 Vintage (UK) 2×12 Top30 (UK) 4×12 England (UK) 2×12 OB Darkface ’65 (US) 4×12 Modern (US) 4×12 HeaVy51 (US) 4×12 Green (UK) 4×10 OB Tweed ’59 (US) 4×12 Green (UK) Notice that the cabinet that allows for IR is not included. I don't think IR is a function in cakewalks version. This alone is worth the upgrade for me. Would someone from Cakewalk please correct me if I am wrong. there are also no Brunetti amps. Only the full version has those. I really liked those models. This information is according to this blog link provided by Thatastrat. I am thankful that cakewalk included a lite version of TH2 in X2. If it were not for that then I would not have known about it. This confirms to me that the full version was worth the price of admission. I am glad I purchased it, and I am thankful for the discount for being a cakewalk customer because this thing really sells for about $199.00
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clintmartin
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That blog isn't talking about the Producer version. I don't know if there is a difference or not. It does say you can load IRs.
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clintmartin
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Ok. The blog is about TH2 Sonar. TH2 Producer includes 10 effects. It looks like both have IR loading included. I think I can upgrade now! Hahaha....We all knew that would happen!
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Has anyone tried using the TH2 amps with GR5 (or 4) effects yet?
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Thatsastrat
Check out the blog for a complete run down of what is included in th@ version of Sonar.
http://blog.cakewalk.com/
Thank you Thatastrat
That answered a ton of questions. There are some great things in Sonars version, here are all the amps included in the Sonar version,
The TH2 Amp contains eight amps modeled after some of the most classic sought after amps:
Rock 900 (UK)
Top30
SloDrive
Darkface 65
Modern
Bassface ’59
Rock ’64
Overloud Custom
THD UniValve
Randall T2
Here are all the cabinets
4×12 Vintage (UK)
2×12 Top30 (UK)
4×12 England (UK)
2×12 OB Darkface ’65 (US)
4×12 Modern (US)
4×12 HeaVy51 (US)
4×12 Green (UK)
4×10 OB Tweed ’59 (US)
4×12 Green (UK)
Notice that the cabinet that allows for IR is not included. I don't think IR is a function in cakewalks version. This alone is worth the upgrade for me. Would someone from Cakewalk please correct me if I am wrong. there are also no Brunetti amps. Only the full version has those. I really liked those models. This information is according to this blog link provided by Thatastrat.
I am thankful that cakewalk included a lite version of TH2 in X2. If it were not for that then I would not have known about it. This confirms to me that the full version was worth the price of admission. I am glad I purchased it, and I am thankful for the discount for being a cakewalk customer because this thing really sells for about $199.00
Thank you and the Cakewalk Blog for providing this valuable info. The proof is in the details. The best amps and cabs are of course not included in the TH2 Producer edition. For me the only reason to use TH2 over Amplitube or Scuffham S-Gear is access to the Brunetti amp and the LynchBox amp, which in my opioion are not better than Scuffham for Blues/Fusion/driven clean sounds, just another option. And as you have noted, there is also no IR Cabinet, which means no input for cabinent IR impluses like Redwirez. Knowing now what is not included, it confirms my intent upon buying the full upgrade to TH2 for the $99. Don't get me wrong, the TH2 Producer would be a great asset for someone not owning Amptlitube or Scuffham; just it would not be very often used by me. I'll get the upgrade and be "a/b'ing" the Brunetti and S-Gear frequently to see which one wins the boutique amp sim race [btw, my bet is still on S-Gear]. Again, thanks for the details.
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ALSO the email said our downloads will be coming soon!
Getting excited!
I recorded a song today using TH2 and my buddy was very impressed. Very nice sound!
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Every wondered what the pseudonymous names on these Amp sims represent? Here is a site that helps translate the pseudonyms in these amp components for Overloud: http://www.audio-hardware-emus.com/th1_over.html. Also links are given to Pseudonym Lists for NI, IKM, Waves, URS and Softube Amp sims.Notice in the right margin. Don't know if the guy is guessing, but it helps a bit.
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That blog isn't talking about the Producer version. I don't know if there is a difference or not. It does say you can load IRs.
The blog says As an awesome bonus, users can load in impulse responses to add infinite numbers of cabinets to the collection. Impulse responses from convolution reverb plugins like Perfect Space can also be loaded to a cabinet for some really creative one of a kind sounds too! I did not see that I was just looking at the cabinets that were listed. The IR cabinet was not listed amoung the cabinets. So I stand corrected. It is a great thing that the feature is there. Still glad I upgraded
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Ok. The blog is about TH2 Sonar. TH2 Producer includes 10 effects. It looks like both have IR loading included. I think I can upgrade now! Hahaha....We all knew that would happen!
yep beepster is next......won't be long now.
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@Marcus... lulz, I'd really like to but that price ain't going anywhere soon so it can wait. My next two musical investments are going to be some work on my main guitar and a MIDI keyboard controller. The axe is kind of fretting out on me (needs a new nut and it's screwing up my recordings) and without a proper controller I can't really play with all the fancy synth goodies which I'm kind of itching to do. I just wish they let us download the Sonar version of TH2 so I could play with it now. Impatience really is the only thing tempting me to jump on the offer... but I've learned some self restraint in my old age. ;-)
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Download the demo. That's what I'm playing around with. I don't know if it's better than Guitar rig or not so, I would like to hear your opinion of it. One things for sure, we all get TH2 producer and maybe that will be enough for some people. I have really been liking a couple of the amps that won't be included, and I'm thinking (for now) that it's better than my Line 6 HD500. $99 is a very fair price, but I have just bought a new external hard drive, Sonar x2 and Audio technica ath-m50s headphones...My wife is a saint!
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@Marcus... lulz, I'd really like to but that price ain't going anywhere soon so it can wait. My next two musical investments are going to be some work on my main guitar and a MIDI keyboard controller. The axe is kind of fretting out on me (needs a new nut and it's screwing up my recordings) and without a proper controller I can't really play with all the fancy synth goodies which I'm kind of itching to do. I just wish they let us download the Sonar version of TH2 so I could play with it now. Impatience really is the only thing tempting me to jump on the offer... but I've learned some self restraint in my old age. ;-)
I wish I could learn some self restraint...I already owned 4 amp model programs. My mistake was downloading the demo for TH2. at first I thought cool let's see what this can do, that turned into wow what a great program, that turned into I want this, that turned into I need it, and that turned into I got to have it. Guitar is my primary instrument, that is one reason why I bought a you rock guitar for a cheap midi controller. I fall for this stuff all the time.
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