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2011/03/20 18:46:28 (permalink)

The Enemy

A new orchestra piece.  All comments welcome.  :)


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    rockinrobby
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 19:08:31 (permalink)
    I think this is pretty good :-) It's different for you. Actually has a little bit of a somber feel to it. I would come down a weence on those cymbal swells and crashes.  The crash right at 2:05 seemed about right volume wise. Almost felt like Russian classical music.

    It's pretty amazing how far you've come.
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 19:36:38 (permalink)
    Hi Janet. I see that you've moved. Nice uncluttered piece that has a lot of feel. I like the 40's 1:40 and around 2:40. I agree with Robby about the cymbal swell coming down a tid bit. I listened to this on my old marantz through a set of Klipsch KG4's and it sounds clear and powerful at loud volumes. Of course the cymbal swell will scare the hell out of you at that volume. It should a little bit though I think/prefer.
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 19:45:03 (permalink)
    Hey Janet I had this cranked up on my surround system and it sounded great!  this cymbol was a tad loud as stated above, besides that the whole piece was awesome!  I really like the English Horn, this was an English Horn mood type piece I think.  I enjoyed it through 2 listens. 

    I assume you are playing every note and using an expression pedal?  Because the fade ins were really smooth on the chord changes, it takes me forever to sequence that after writing a score and importing to Sonar.  ..Man I wish I could play piano.
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 19:59:18 (permalink)
    Janet,
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    Wow!!!!!

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 20:05:41 (permalink)
    Thanks Robby.  I think the opening riff came to me while watching Avatar. Must have been one of the somber parts.  :)  I'll look into those cymbals. They sounded fine in Sonar, way too low after mp3 conversion, and now obviously too loud.  :(

    Rhyno...really didn't mean to scare you.  Sorry!  :)  Yeah, I wanted to see if RN would give a better mp3 conversion.  I'll look into those cymbals.  Glad you like the 40's. :)

    Mike...you listened twice?  That's cool. :)  Thanks. This is probably the first time I've used an English horn.  I was reading a bit in an orchestral composition book and it gave me the idea to try it.  (slowly but surely!)  :-)  I can even recognize the sounds of the different horns now.  :)  Anyway, no I don't use the expression pedal.  I do all that with CC 11 and volume envelopes.  I know you can use the pedal, but I haven't gotten that far yet. 

    Scott, I guess you liked it?  Wow!  :) Thanks.
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 20:10:01 (permalink)
    Wow, very cool piece Janet!

    I still have a problem with your cymbals, tho, I don't know what you're doing or not doing, but they don't sound natural to me.  they sound dry and harsh for lack of a better description.

    everything else sounds great, IMO.  but your cymbals have basically always sounded this way. 

    the piece is very good, tho.  very nice stuff!

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 20:11:17 (permalink)
    Thanks Reece.  I think this may be the second song I used EW cymbals on, but yeah, maybe they always sound that way.  I'll try adding more reverb.  And turning them down.  :)
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 20:19:45 (permalink)
    hmm.  well I could be remembering wrong.  I know I've commented on the cymbals in two of your pieces, probably both of the ones you used EW for.  but I was thinking they always sounded dry and lifeless and harsh

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 21:36:08 (permalink)
    beauitiful janet..absolutely.some pieces seem to lose me with there insane lenth..this one had me wishing there was a little more .so soothing and so much feeling.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 21:50:22 (permalink)
    Beagle


    Wow, very cool piece Janet!

    I still have a problem with your cymbals, tho, I don't know what you're doing or not doing, but they don't sound natural to me.  they sound dry and harsh for lack of a better description.

    everything else sounds great, IMO.  but your cymbals have basically always sounded this way. 

    the piece is very good, tho.  very nice stuff!




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    songs sound great.   Try lowering cymbal volume, and adding reverb.   If they still sound harsh, grab the EQ.




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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:03:22 (permalink)
    Hi Janet,

    I listened to this a couple of times. It's really nice.

    Regarding the cymbal swells ... here is a free midi file from Steven Slate's web site. It sounds very realistic. It's three different swells in one midi file. I've used it in a couple of songs and it sounds really good to me.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:16:33 (permalink)
    EW doesn't do the swell w/MIDI, it's a swell recorded by an Orchestral percussionist? So you hit the key and hold it, and "the sample" swells. EW is top flight! Her mix just needs a little love on those cymbals :-)

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:29:40 (permalink)
    Well, Reece, as I've never known you to remember wrong, I'm sure you're right.  Maybe it was 3 pieces.  :)  I just know I was quite excited to discover those cymbal and timp swells in EW so I don't have to do it myself.  Anyway, I just uploaded a new version with those cymbals hopefully tamed and eq'd and reverbed in a 'Dark Abbey.'  :)  I couldn't add any more reverb in the send, so I did it in the EW player and that made a world of difference.  I tried that on the timps, though, and they never stopped playing, so that didn't work.  lol Thanks for your good ears! 

    Thank you, Charlie.  I'm happy that you liked it.  Wait...soothing?  This one?  OK.  :)  Anyway, yeah, it took me long enough to get it THIS long.  I would have just had to repeat myself too many times to get it any longer.  lol

    Great ideas, Mathew.  Never thought of eq!  Thanks!  I hope it's better now. 

    Thanks for that Bub.  I hope this is better now.  :) 
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:35:56 (permalink)
    they're too bright and harsh (still).  sorry.  I just call it the way I hear it!  the first one is worse than the others if that matters you can look at what you've done differently on it than the others, but they all still are very unnatural sounding, IMO.

    I do agree with robby, this piece sounds very "Russian Classical"

    love the timps, tho (and I know I've told you before I hated them, so this time they work!!!)

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:37:15 (permalink)
    Hmm... OK, I'll go back in. Thanks for the ears.  I can hear the Russian too, since he mentioned it.  I'll be back....
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:45:22 (permalink)
    "he?"

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:46:03 (permalink)
    You.
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 22:56:02 (permalink)
    OK, here's another try.  I lowered the velocity of the cymbals and slapped a low pass filter on 'em.  I'm not sure what else to do.  They're probably too quiet now, which might be a good thing.  lol
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 23:10:33 (permalink)

    Holy Cow Janet this song is a different side of you , I liked your choice of instruments you used to create this music !

    A very different cool surprise indeed , thanks Janet ! James

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 23:14:08 (permalink)
    Hi Janet. I just switched from my laptop w/headphones to my DAW and my HS-80's. Sorry but the cymbals are still harsh.

    You sure you don't want to give that midi file a try I gave you a link to? ;) You might be pleasantly surprised. :)

    Here's a song I'm working on with it in it ... this is not finished by any stretch of the imagination. I'm posting for reference, not input. :)

    There are two swell types I used from the midi file (there are 3 in it all together iirc.). The 2 at the beginning are the same, the third time you hear them at the beginning of the break is the 2nd type.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 23:14:55 (permalink)
    better (but still not quite there).  the first one still sounds worse than the rest.
     
    the one at 2:10 isn't bad and the one at the very end isn't too bad.
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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/20 23:34:13 (permalink)
    Hi Janet, lovely tune, very cinematic and dramatic. Like the percussion !

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/21 00:08:56 (permalink)
    I'm not listening again until the next cymbal muting. You may believe in cymbalisim over substance? But I believe in substance over cymbalism.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/21 01:01:11 (permalink)
    Listening on soundclick, for some reason the reverbnation wont load up. I've had problems with them before, and I even use them, but, no matter, s/c is working. I am not hearing the cymbol problems noted above, maybe due to the fact that you have had the chance to fix it, but at the same time, I really don't think there is that much to concern yourself with. They seem to be at the right volume levels at this time, and I am wondering if maybe you over compensated a touch due to the emphasis from others. I like a lot of "sizzle" in the upper end freq's, so I might not be the perfect person to listen to, but I think you may have cut a touch too much....

    Then again, there could easily be a difference between the conversion on s/c compared to r/n, or maybe I am  having a rough night as far as my ears are concerned, or maybe...

    I'll leave that all alone. The rest of the composition is very well put together, I can see the "russian" influence that others noted, although it really is more of an "oppressive" feel than a russian "influence" in my mind. Well chosen instrumentation, great dynamics, you are so much the master of your domain, now that you are getting so comfortable within it. Orchestration was made for your use, and you use it so well.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/21 08:50:46 (permalink)
    Very nice..... I thought it sounds very good, perhaps the cymbal swells were just a bit loud in a few places,,,,, just perfect in others,

    well done.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/21 09:17:45 (permalink)
    This is very good, maybe "reverse" the crash cymbal and but it up to the original...I like this the best of everything I've heard from your stuff...very nice.


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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/21 10:37:21 (permalink)
    you know our music worlds are very far apart..but i really like this piece..very emotional,and tells a great story.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/21 17:52:30 (permalink)
    Awesome Janet.  I'm so proud of you.

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    Re:The Enemy 2011/03/21 18:05:54 (permalink)
    I would have liked to hear more stereo separation of the sections, and that cymbal roll has to come down at least 5db.

    Other than that, I am impressed.
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