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The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
I'm thinking someone will probably come up with this at some point soon as its getting nearer update time so here's what I'd like to see in the next vesion of Sonar, I've submitted these quite a few times in the past but this is a list of what I'd like to see in the future, I have no doubt the new version is undergoing beta at the moment, it really was to pass the time this evening. - GUI update - i'd be quite happy with a large transport at the top of the screen that was customisable, basically less buttons, les clutter, less like windows 95, I mean even microsoft office has had a revamp.
- Be able to match the clip track to the mixer colour - Can be done in reaper and protools, logic makes the background colour of the text on the mixer the same colour and even that helps. Technically it can be done in sonar if you wanted to import a specific colour as a bitmap image on a track icon but would take more time that its really worth. Below is an example of reaper and the track colours
 - Varispeed - Been playing with it in logic recently, simple to use and setup, done straight from the transport bar, would be a nice feature, I know audio snap can do a workaround where you're able to slow the track down by bpm and then speed the track back up, but its not as simple as typing -10% +20% etc.
- More extensive grouping - I want to be able to assign a track to a group set so that it controls a multiple set of different buttons (for example, be able toggle record enable grouped tracks, enable input echo on/off, edit clips that were recorded at the same time, enable volume fades in one go etc) but only have to assign the track to the group with one button, than assign each individual button to a seperate group. I like how I'm currently able to automatically group recorded clips togther to edit afterwards but if I'm recording live musicians I have to manually remove the seperate instruments and then regroup the clips, I'm looking to improve my workflow so that the clips are automtaically grouped correctly and I don't have to manually change this after recording as I've started doing a lot of recording. This is something I feel we're behind on against other DAWs.
- Implement something like channel tools on all stereo tracks - 2 pans to be able to control the width, have left and right phase invert or even just a graph visual like the eq on all tracks that when double clicked, would open the channel tools plugin from the mixer/ track inspector view.
- More options on segmented meters and fader styles - I'm currently using the gel faders, I love them, I love how we're able to setup colour schemes for sonar but I'd love it if we were able to customise Sonar more easily by giving us an option to import fader sets, meter styles more easily like we do with track templates, colour schemes, key sets. Hell let us skin it, we already know there are some talented guys on this forum that could make sonar look amazing.
- Have the option to record audio to 2 hard drives or spread the load between 2. Larger audio projects I'm running seem to have more problems load
- Be able to name mono track inputs seperately from stereo inputs. An example for me is that in my system, channel 13 on my soundcard is fed by my SPL Channel One and on channel 14 I have a Focusrite Voicemaster Pro. This comes up in Sonar as
- "Left SPL Channel One - Voicemaster Pro". and
- "Right SPL Channel One - Voice Master Pro"
Personally I understand whats going on but from time to time I have people come in and help out and it would be much easier to explain to them that I want them to select the SPL Channel one input for my track than to say "I want the one that says Left SPL Channel One - Voicemaster Pro". Small niggle but its alot easier to understand. If I was able to name mono tracks it would then come up as.
- SPL Channel One
- VoiceMaster Pro
Its easier to explain to other people, the description for each channel takes up less space when scrolling for the channel you want. Then you could also enable and disable stereo channels as you wanted.
- Project tabs - I'm mainly recording bands, most of the time they're putting down more than one song. just being able to switch between songs from the current view could save time.
- Plugin Chains - basically be able to Right click the FX bin, have the options
- Audio FX >
- Soft Synths >
- Plugin Chain >
Then if there was an option to then save plug ins as they appeared in the FX bin as a chain it could save time when setting projects up or just adding to a track on the fly afterwards. Main issue always is saving time.
I've been using Sonar in some form or another for the past 5/6 years now and get on with it like a house on fire, these requests would just make my life a little bit easier, quicker and more efficient. I'd really like to see what other people would like to see for future versions of Sonar. -------------------------- As always there are some really good suggestions on this thread, why not submit the ones you want to see in future versions of Sonar using the feature request form http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/FeatureRequest.asp please keep them coming though 
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 19:25:57
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I like your SonarTools GUI revamp. Looks cool!
+1000 on all requests too.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 19:27:47
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Or is that Reaper? I can't really tell now :-P
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 19:33:21
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Or is that Reaper? I can't really tell now :-P
haha yeah its reaper. I took this screenshot as an example for a previous feature request (edited the first post). I was playing about with it for a while on my old system, the theme was based on the pro-tools faders and meters and it looked quite cool. The daw has some cool features in it but personally prefer sonars workflow when I'm recording and I prefer how Sonars mixer is laid out.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 19:42:10
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I see. Well you did a great job cause it looks very much like Pro Tools 8.
Speaking of the devil, PT8 has some really awesome features I didn't even realize. I love the color palette, the automation lanes and the new region rating system which makes comping much easier (especially after days of work). Those features would rock in Sonar. But I guess we'll see what the bakers are doing for the new version soon enough.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 19:50:03
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Yeah, I like the notes section in Protools and logic as well, completely forgot about it when I was writing this. When comping I've got into the habit of renaming the files like that for later. Ratings would help but I end up just renaming the files (select then ALT+ENTER) as I go along the lines of "Good middle, look for another start" or "SLAMMED IT" or "fretbuzz bar16" along those lines, it helps refresh when I have to come back and look at the parts. Have to say heat looks pretty interesting in the new Pro-tools * Also I better say I downloaded the reaper theme from the forum, I don't want to take credit for something I didn't do myself, it just looked nicer than the original theme
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 19:58:31
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off the top of my head - New GUI would be much appreciated.
- Increase the size of the the Snap to Grid dialogue box so at least 'sixteenths' is immediately viewable (may as well make is 32nds). Minor change but handy.
- Some kind of option which DOES NOT select a track when you DISABLE record. Maybe thats just me being picky, but if i deselect record, it means I dont want to work with you right now - leave the focus where is was!!
- I also support dual pans on tracks (one of the only things I liked about Pro Tools)
- New synths/sounds and plugins. Always appreciated.
- Free lifetime upgrades (wishful thinking I know)
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 20:03:02
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Jon Con
I end up just renaming the files (select then ALT+ENTER) as I go along the lines of "Good middle, look for another start" or "SLAMMED IT" or "fretbuzz bar16" along those lines, it helps refresh when I have to come back and look at the parts. Damn! I'm gonna steal that idea from you :-) I usually comp on the fly, but sometimes I have to leave and come back the next day. This is an awesome time saver, thanks! EDIT: Oh yeah, and another thing I like about Pro Tools that would be cool to have in Sonar is the ability to just select a portion of a clip that has automation in it and drag it up or down without having to first create nodes on selection. Nodes should be created automatically instead.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 20:37:38
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1) Improved Envelopes 2) A delivered method to choose an external editor without having to do the re-coding. Acid has this feature and you can quickly change external editors. 3) Improved Mastering Tools Chuck Drool Brothers
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 20:54:14
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SWIPE TIME SELECTION!! Again, for all of us in the commercial broadcast field we desperately need the ability to simply swipe over a selected part of the timeline and have a readout that says exactly how much time that swipe is. When you are taking multiple reads for 15, 30 and 60 second spots you have to be able to quickly tell your client how long each read is...NOT 2...NOT 3...and certainly NOT 4...clicks away. Please Greg, ol pal, add this long needed feature for your "professional" broadcast users!!
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 21:39:09
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Notation, notation and oh yes notation. Also a proper save as button. A way to use rewire in 64 bits. A way to use 32 bit DX plugins in 64 bits. In other words all the functionally in 32 bit Sonar with outstanding notation plus a save as button. I also like all the ideas you guys have proposed.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 22:44:37
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Proper Save As? What's wrong with it the current one? For me: - fx chains
- better grouping
- keybinding clip envelopes
- better asset mgmt
- gobs of UI tweaks (rubber banding track heights, multiple track dragging, better default track locations)
- SONAR "knows" MIDI is connected to soft synth audio track on bounce
- bigger envelope nodes (bring 'em back!)
- integrate V-Vocal into interface
- clip markers
- improve Set Measure/Beat at Now
- Improved video support
- Select Multiple Buses
- Oh, and some new plugins. (KIDDING!)
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 22:48:30
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John,
Don't take this as me picking on you but what do you mean by "a proper save as button"?
As far as Rewire goes, it is not Cakewalk's jurisdiction to modify a format that's not theirs (not to mention the legal ramifications of them doing so). Rewire was created by Propperlerheads, and thus it is solely their call wether they want to update it or not.
Lastly, DX/DXi is practically a dead format. I'm sure this is part of the reason why you don't see any DX/DXi bridging applications like the ones we currently have today (i.e. Bitbridge, JBridge, VST Bridge, etc). I'm sure there's more to it as even Cakewalk didn't supply us with one. However, you could use a DX/DXi to VST/VSTi wrapper and Bitbridge will recognize your plugins. The problem with that is that it means the plugin is being wrapped 3 times (WOW64>DX wrapper>Bitbridge) and that would obviously raise CPU consumption.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 22:48:51
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Proper Save As? What's wrong with it the current one? Nothing except there is no button for it. Sonar is the only app I know that does not have a button for it.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 22:51:35
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Yes it does. You need to add it to your Toolbar then. EDIT: Sorry, I'm thinking "Save" not "Save as". You're right about that John.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 23:02:05
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As far as Rewire goes, it is not Cakewalk's jurisdiction to modify a format that's not theirs (not to mention the legal ramifications of them doing so). Rewire was created by Propperlerheads, and thus it is solely their call wether they want to update it or not. I know and I don't think you are picking on me at all. Here I believe, I hate to say it, but Reaper has this and if it can deal with it I don't see why CW can't. PH is not going to fix the problem so we have a choice of never using it with Sonar 64 bit or CW can figure a way for us to use it. I like DX plugins and CW has been in the forefront in its development. I see no reason for me to abandon DX plugins when many of them are simply not available in a VST version or a VST equivalent. CW needs to keep it alive. Besides 64 bit DX plugins are supported. I believe the 64 bit transition would be far less painful for many if CW did get this to work. I also believe its very consistent with the way CW has touted its products being so backward compatible and such. Now a project created in 32 bit Sonar may be just fine or not depending on what plugins it contains in opening it in 64 bit Sonar.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 23:30:14
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You have a good point John. And I didn't know Reaper had a way to use ReWire in 64 bit, that's cool!. I thought that would be an illegal thing to do given that ReWire is not their technology. But I guess "when there's a will, there's a way".
Like I said earlier, DX support is practically nonexistent. I think only Cakewalk and Izotope are still supporting this format, out of the hundreds of plugin companies out there. I get what you're saying about backwards compatibility, which is fine. But I personally don't think it would benefit them to waste any resources on the DX format other than porting their current 32 bit DX plugins to native 64 bit. Those 3rd party DX/DXi plugins you're probably refiring to have most likely been dropped by their respective companies, so why should Cakewalk spend any more time on that? Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 23:43:39
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You and CW are mostly likely thinking along the same lines Jose. However, I have every plugin CW has ever had included with Sonar starting with Sonar 1. 90 % of those are now useless and for only one reason bit incompatibility. They are still good useful plugins. Some are unique.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/19 23:48:20
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I'd like it to have rainbows and unicorns.
Also maybe lasers.
I'm guessing that asking for unicorns that shoot lasers out of their eyes is probablay asking for too much...I don't want to push it.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 00:04:06
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John
You and CW are mostly likely thinking along the same lines Jose. However, I have every plugin CW has ever had included with Sonar starting with Sonar 1. 90 % of those are now useless and for only one reason bit incompatibility. They are still good useful plugins. Some are unique.
I understand John. But, I ask you again, why should Cakewalk care if the companies that made those plugins don't support them any more? Some of them probably don't exist anymore, am I right? It's time to move forward. Don't be afraid of progress :-) Most of the stuff you're speaking of can probably be replaced by something else, that's currently being supported. Or are you the type of person still using Windows 98? (Naw, I know you aren't :-).
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 01:16:37
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John
Nothing except there is no button for it. Sonar is the only app I know that does not have a button for it.
Oh lookee that, you're right! Allow me to concur with you. Oh, and while we're at it, ACT 2.0! Or sheesh, skip that and give us ACT 3.0!!
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 02:19:44
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An uncrashable V-Vocal!
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 02:57:02
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John
As far as Rewire goes, it is not Cakewalk's jurisdiction to modify a format that's not theirs (not to mention the legal ramifications of them doing so). Rewire was created by Propperlerheads, and thus it is solely their call wether they want to update it or not.
I know and I don't think you are picking on me at all. Here I believe, I hate to say it, but Reaper has this and if it can deal with it I don't see why CW can't. PH is not going to fix the problem so we have a choice of never using it with Sonar 64 bit or CW can figure a way for us to use it.
I like DX plugins and CW has been in the forefront in its development. I see no reason for me to abandon DX plugins when many of them are simply not available in a VST version or a VST equivalent. CW needs to keep it alive. Besides 64 bit DX plugins are supported. I believe the 64 bit transition would be far less painful for many if CW did get this to work.
I also believe its very consistent with the way CW has touted its products being so backward compatible and such. Now a project created in 32 bit Sonar may be just fine or not depending on what plugins it contains in opening it in 64 bit Sonar.
You know what John? That's my problem with everything in life to be honest. I don't have any feature requests, but the one thing I cannot stand is when you are forced to abandon something that works well for you...and you paid for it. For example, my recording pc died a few weeks back. I had a Layla soundcards in it, and two UAD-1 cards. Got a new box, way more power, new development, yet because pci slots are not the in thing anymore I had to buy a new soundcard and a new UAD-2 card. Sure, I'm way better off and have gained way more than I lost...but at a price I honestly wasn't looking forward to. I can't use my controller due to Win 7 because JL Cooper doesn't make a midi driver for it that would work in Sonar. I even offered the company money to make me a driver for it. How hard could it be? I wonder how many coders on this site would take a stab at something like that for way less? So I have to buy a new controller as well. It's like...we are forced to have to buy the in thing even if we are content with something we paid for that still really works. I have some incredible DX plugs that I still use from time to time. I didn't realize how much I used them until I started using Sonar 64 while forcing myself to try plugs that are more for 64 to get the best performance....but should performance the key, or should it be the sound I'm looking for that I'm not quite getting making my decision? You know the answer to that one. If the sound I'm expecting isn't there and I'm using plugs that are made for 64 that may not be to my liking, who am I kidding here? I wonder how hard it could be to port DX plugs? I'm not a code guy so I cant say...but it must be something difficult or we'd have it I'd think. I can't see the guys at Cake saying "Well, no one sells DX plugs anymore so we shouldn't really allow our software to support them in 64 bit." Certainly they have some insane DX plugs they still use that they HAVE to be missing in 64? Also...and I could be missing the boat here, but I seem to remember running loads of DX plugs with very minimal cpu usage. I stayed away from VST for the longest time because on my systems, they always made my cpu meter go through the roof! I also have to agree with you on the Rewire thing. In my opinion, that is still pretty hot amongst quite a few serious engineers. If Pee Pee Heads don't want to support 64, I sincerely believe Cake should step up and make it work as long as they aren't breaking any laws. If Reaper can do it, and they haven't been sued, there is more to it than we know. Then again, I don't know too many people that would want to go up against the guy that owns Reaper. You know who he is and what else he owns, right? Reaper is his fun project...he doesn't care who buys it and who doesn't...which is why some people use it for free forever. That dude made his billions with a much bigger seller that people may not know he owns the rights to. ;) Anyway...as I was typing this, I was thinking of my wish list....or things that may annoy me in Sonar. For how I use the program, the only thing I haven't been crazy about since it was introduced was the mixing console. I think it takes up way too much space and no matter what I do, I can never fit what I want in there. It's either loaded with stuff to where I have to scroll, or it's too light with stuff and has wasted empty space. Sonar 5 was perfect for me. I could load everything I wanted and the console would load up without me having to scroll up and down at the resolution I like to work at. I also hate when I forget to change my tools while editing midi. I can't tell you how many times I meant to select something and dropped a new midi note instead. That's just engineer error on my part, but I wish there was a solution I could come up with that would allow me not to make that mistake. Then again, I look at things this way. Sonar has been incredible stable for me since 8.3 for the most part. If something works and I'm getting my work done without crashes or other issues, I'm right where I want to be. The more stuff we implement and ask for, the more chances there will be for bugs...and to be honest, with the year that I've had ( busy as heck yet pc issues and other stuff that made it tedious) I can't afford to be dealing with bugs, crashes or inconsistencies. Right now Sonar works flawlessly for me...even though it may not be perfect. So, I'm just gonna stay high and thankful for that...and may even pass on a new version until I get the verdict from you guys. I'm a bit tired of springing for a new version due to the hype and excitement, only to have issues with it like we saw in the first release of Sonar 8. I need something that works exactly like Sonar does for me right now. :)
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 05:16:26
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MIDI sends - so I don't end up with several cloned tracks just to build a complex texture Regarding the Rewire issue: I'd love a BitBridge equivalent that allows Sonar to talk to Rewire and (for now) 32bit Reason. I would upgrade tomorrow if Sonar could do that Edit - Oh and the ability to display long track names (perhaps along the channel strips? ) in Console view
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2010/08/20 05:49:17
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Feature list ahoy!  o Better stability o Rock solid MIDI loop timing (incl. arpeggiator, esp. short loops) o -> LOGICAL EDITOR for MIDI <- I'd be well happy with that :o)
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benstat
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 06:03:15
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A small thing, but I hate having to name a project before I start work on it. I would like to open Sonar, click 'New Project' and start work. If it's working out, I'll click Save and then give it a name. It's a bit like Microsoft Word. You don't need to name a new document until you decide to Save it. The way I work is by experimentation. I dump 90% of projects because it they aren't working out.
As it is, I just end up with a load of useless projects called 'Song1', 'Song2', 'Song3', 'Test1', 'AnotherTest', 'Blahblahblah', 'Whatever1'!!
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 06:13:25
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Use Ctrl-N instead of File\New.
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 06:30:30
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kp
Use Ctrl-N instead of File\New.
That's perfect - thanks! Guess I'm showing my ignorance.
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Jon Con
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Re:The annual what do you want from the next version of Sonar
2010/08/20 06:55:44
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John I assinged the keystroke SHIFT+CTRL+S as a save as. I've also got one setup to export projects as OMF files (CTRL+SHIFT+O) and bounce export audio (CTRL+SHIFT+R). I understand the need for a save as button but its something thats probably quicker assigning a keystroke to it
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