Crg

Fire away at this post, weak ones, but know for certain that your demeanor repels valuable people from contributing to this forum, and thusly hurts the product and its user-base in the short, mid and long run. Carissa

 
It seems you're just as guilty of the same behavior that you admonish Carissa.

Couldn't have kissed-up to the group any better, mate.  These all your buds?  Seems like lots of these blokes have more time for deriding the lady than 1) hearing her message and 2) doing their music.   Her message wasn't posted in the CH -- it was moved here, and it belonged where it was, from what I see.  
 
You guys are all over the board with your weakness and groupie gangups.
 
Was trying to figure, you know, what kind of prat would question a person's origin and all and not think it shows that THEIR OWN creds might be shady.  Projection, I think Freud called it -- eh?
 
Anyways, I see lots of little girlies here bouncing their quips about between their little club and not many men of integrity and concern for how this all makes them and the Sonar environment look.
 
Guys -- it makes you look like fools.  It really does.  Little spouting oddballs.
 
Good post, CRG.  Spot on in terms of knowing where you stand in this fluff.   The lady points our your rough edges and yous gang up on her.  Nice little town.  Just don't count, as she said, on quality visitors or any big houses.

Jonbouy

Little spouting oddballs.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Tee hee hee.  You've got fifty scenarios in your own life, for sure, that it IS a bad thing for someone to think that of you.  It's just that here you can play with your pee pee and other blokes fancy it.

SeveredVesper
"What do you mean? Creative SB is ****, get a decent interface! And for that simple editing, you might want to RTFM"
(Well i may have overdone the posts, but i had quite the same "hurt" value when i read it)
　
yes; that is my point; you were 'hurt' by some of the responses you received when you first came on this forum.
Even though those responses were meant to help, by people with good intentions, you were still 'hurt' by some of the responders.

　
Now, put yourself in Clarissa's place. The OP was a bit negative concerning a few forum members but also praiseworthy of other forum members; No specific names were ever mentioned. In my opinion the words in the OP were sincere.
　
Now a few forum members (Danny and Humble Noise come to mind, there were others too) said some nice things;
great. If this ended on the second page. All is well with the world.

　
but then the 'snide' remarks start; One, two at first and then three or four pages of jokes, insults, funny remarks.

Now, most of these comments were not malicious. I understand that, but once the forum regulars start to chime in, it seems the flood gates open.

High posters have a big impact on what direction these posts take.

There is a 'buddy' system here; and that's ok, but when you use this 'buddy system' to hurt people (even though you may not mean to do so) there is something wrong with that.
　
There's nothing wrong with humor; There are a dozen threads everyday you can banter at will.

but this thread was a serious attempt to say something important.
and after a nice start it turned into page after page after page of laughing and making fun of the OP.

When you are the 'new kid on the block' you might not understand why the crowd is laughing. (even innocent laughter can seem sinister)
　

In the scheme of things, the behaviour on the Sonar forum doesn't amount to very much, but if we can't get along on this forum it doesn't say too much for where we are heading as a society.


Everyone that posts has a responsibility to be civil, courteous and respectful;  I hope we all agree on that, and when and if we do, we all have to practice it.

.

rhynosynth

Jonbouy


It's like if I go to a party, I can choose to join in or I can isolate myself in the kitchen and find somebody else in there that's prepared to snipe at those enjoying themselves.

Yeah.... You're always in the kitchen I bet ;-).  Put the drink down and make yourself useful or get the hell outta my way. I got a hundred  shortcakes to strawberry.

Dang, I forgot about chef.

mike_mccue


Chefs remind me of mastering engineers... don't ask me why. ;-)

Why can't I ask you why?

mike_mccue


Because... I'd like to avoid bragging about how good my grandmas were at mastering.

You are (so typical of this forum) attacking the messenger and not the message;

Show me where this has been done on this thread, other than by yourself, and the OP who decided in her message to critique unspecified swathes of contibutors. Perhaps Charlie too but I'm not entirely convinced he even knows what he is saying.

But do it quickly because I'm kind of bored of it now.

If there is an issue you have with something in particular spell it out. If you, like the OP, want to modify the behaviour of others here to suit your tastes then I suggest you both volunteer to become moderators.

No Jon, I'm done.

but if you're ever in Los Angeles look me up.
I'd be happy to buy you a beer; (you too Mike)

tom1


No Jon, I'm done.

but if you're ever in Los Angeles look me up.
I'd be happy to buy you a beer; (you too Mike)

I'll take you up on that.  Although you can skip the beer I don't drink.

Make it a becan breakfast and you're on.

(I'll need all the options I can get after I've fleeced Ed enjoyed the hospitality at Chez Bapu)

Bapu loves to jog.

Anything to do with fitness and he's yer man.

Jonbouy


Bapu loves to streak.

Anything to do with bass fatness and he's yer man.

Even closer

tom1


SeveredVesper
"What do you mean? Creative SB is ****, get a decent interface! And for that simple editing, you might want to RTFM"
(Well i may have overdone the posts, but i had quite the same "hurt" value when i read it)
　
yes; that is my point; you were 'hurt' by some of the responses you received when you first came on this forum.
Even though those responses were meant to help, by people with good intentions, you were still 'hurt' by some of the responders.

　
Now, put yourself in Clarissa's place. The OP was a bit negative concerning a few forum members but also praiseworthy of other forum members; No specific names were ever mentioned. In my opinion the words in the OP were sincere.
　
Now a few forum members (Danny and Humble Noise come to mind, there were others too) said some nice things;
great. If this ended on the second page. All is well with the world.

　
but then the 'snide' remarks start; One, two at first and then three or four pages of jokes, insults, funny remarks.

Now, most of these comments were not malicious. I understand that, but once the forum regulars start to chime in, it seems the flood gates open.

High posters have a big impact on what direction these posts take.

There is a 'buddy' system here; and that's ok, but when you use this 'buddy system' to hurt people (even though you may not mean to do so) there is something wrong with that.
　
There's nothing wrong with humor; There are a dozen threads everyday you can banter at will.

but this thread was a serious attempt to say something important.
and after a nice start it turned into page after page after page of laughing and making fun of the OP.

When you are the 'new kid on the block' you might not understand why the crowd is laughing. (even innocent laughter can seem sinister)
　

In the scheme of things, the behaviour on the Sonar forum doesn't amount to very much, but if we can't get along on this forum it doesn't say too much for where we are heading as a society.


Everyone that posts has a responsibility to be civil, courteous and respectful;  I hope we all agree on that, and when and if we do, we all have to practice it.

I understand that clearly. But bear in mind:
 
The topic was not regarding Sonar X1 tech, so it will ALWAYS end up here, so they started joking about it anyway, and anything that will be put or is here will always get unserious. Yes it was really nice, the serious ones read it and kept the message in the heart, the usuals also did, but on the other hand - that is not the first post of the kind the they have read, the hell, the old and the not-so-new-ones all know how **** happens upstairs, so i understand why these guys just joked on it. And they weren't mocking the OP.
 
It's sort of extinguishing the fire with candies and lollipops instead of encouraging it with gas. Let's say it's cowardly, or it does not help the cause of Carissa, which is to eliminate the forum discrimination, but our eyes are already open, we're fed up, and we all know that no matter how patriotic the act is, it will just get trashed by the admins and be sent here.
 
To Charles
 
Don't you think he meant it in a strategic way?
 
When new people let's say, post a question here. They get both help and mocking (Assuming). Well atleast they got help.
 
If they see Carissa's post first, they would just assume that the forum offers no help and is pure crap.
 
It's a double edged blade, even for Cakewalk. It's like seeing one user say that their community is crap, it also affects Cakewalk and their product one way or another.
 
So both being the bully and the reporter-who-shouts-it-out-loud gives a bad rep to Cakewalk, although the reporter's action is moral and is an eye opener. The thing is, does moral eye-opening even match potential customers to Cakewalk in their list of priorities? I don't think so.
 
(Well this is IF that's how Craig put it. If not then i don't even bother discussing the dispute between the two of you. And by the way. Honestly, Craig is not the vocal type and is not really like the gang of jokers, he is even more of the serious type who is very straightforward and tackless (no offense Craig). IMO he's like a milder form of CJay with a sense of humor, and does not have a spell-checker.)

mike_mccue


I kept calling him Jeff and he just got angrier and angrier.

So now I just say yesum boss and he seems to like it better.

Chefs remind me of mastering engineers... don't ask me why. ;-)

Is it perhaps because everyone else does all the donkey work for them and they get lauded for turning out a most devine souffle?

A/  Yes

B/  No

C/  Maybe

D/  I don't like souffle

It's like this:

The OP (whether she's a stunningly attractive young lady from Sweden, or some 300# trucker named Frank is irrelevant) made some excellent points.  Points that have been made before - by many of us here. I agree with many of them, though I'm not sure I would have taken the same tone.

I have, on occasion, taken umbrage at some twerp's undesirable attitude and spoken up... hasn't made a bit of difference. After a time, I wised up and realized that it's better to simply not feed the trolls.  Keeps my BP in a healthier range.

If the situation looks like one where the possibility of helping positive change occur exists, I'll chime in - often via PM instead of dragging it across the open forum(s).

I think I'm like many here: if you can't change it, you may as well laugh about it.  Makes the day go better.

And, yes, if you happen to be coming through Grand Forks, I'd be pleased to buy you breakfast or something. There's some good becan up in these parts.