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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/23 03:46:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/01/23 06:48:57
It´s a big loss for the forum community that chuckebaby, Danny and
Craig cut their participation .
One question  arrises to me which could be a help to prevent 
personal attacks :
Does anybudy ever have unleached the - report abuse - button ?
This could eventually be a way to ban sucker.
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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/23 07:23:59 (permalink)
Now I wonder, where did the "negativity" in this thread started? Sorry to say, but the OP already had this not too subtle negativity of "why don't you always behave like this?", implying that forumites in too many cases don't act right. Then, one should not complain if it is pointed out, that even if forumites "behave like this", the result is nonetheless often different than in the given example. (Of course, I don't deny that at least some forumites really behave in a questionable way, more or less often. But this is obviously not the only reason for being heard or not.)
 
All forums consist of a wide variety of different people, so everyone has to find out how to deal with each other. The simplest and oldest scheme is: cooperate with those who cooperate with you. Take part in discussions as long as they are polite and constructive, and just ignore anyone and anything that isn't. And most important, don't try to convince the ignorant, just step back and ignore them. But unfortunately, some people always want to "win the fight", and even more if the fight is about nothing.
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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/23 14:30:47 (permalink)
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Now I wonder, where did the "negativity" in this thread started? Sorry to say, but the OP already had this not too subtle negativity of "why don't you always behave like this?", implying that forumites in too many cases don't act right. Then, one should not complain if it is pointed out, that even if forumites "behave like this", the result is nonetheless often different than in the given example. (Of course, I don't deny that at least some forumites really behave in a questionable way, more or less often. But this is obviously not the only reason for being heard or not.)
 

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.  But if it's suggesting that it's somehow Craig's fault that the thread went negative, I totally disagree.
 
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All forums consist of a wide variety of different people, so everyone has to find out how to deal with each other. The simplest and oldest scheme is: cooperate with those who cooperate with you. Take part in discussions as long as they are polite and constructive, and just ignore anyone and anything that isn't. And most important, don't try to convince the ignorant, just step back and ignore them. But unfortunately, some people always want to "win the fight", and even more if the fight is about nothing.

This I totally agree with.
 

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/23 18:46:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Sheanes 2017/01/23 19:07:29
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Positive spin done in a negative way kind of cancels out the effort.  We users could use more support and we are telling Cakewalk that by taking the time to comment on this forum.  It is good for all of us.  It can be difficult for a user to be positive when something isn't working correctly.  Mr. Anderton, when something isn't working and you offer a complicated work around, it has a very "... then let them eat cake" kind of feel to us users.  We aren't at blame for the problem; we are offering insight into a sophisticated DAW that many of us have chosen to use and support.
We are hoping that Gibson will make an investment in Cakewalk the same way that we users have done.


Hold on its kinda funny in a way when you think what this forum is. Its a PEER to PEER forum. CW people are not required to be here at all. The fact that they do show up from time to time is really a pure bonus. Yet the funny part is you are complaining on a forum that was never meant for CW to user interaction about the lack of CW to user interaction.  I find that hilarious.  




@John, I'm happy you are amused.   As I use Sonar as a professional DAW to earn money to live on, I am less than amused with our current level of support on many levels... but, hey, if you find my comments hilarious, please, by all means, enjoy!
 


I don't know you as a helpful forum member. I only know you here on this thread. I explained clearly why I found your posts to be hilarious for misunderstanding the purpose of this forum. It is not a place where users come to interact with CW people. It is a place where users come to ask questions and those questions are answered by other users. If you take look at what my posts are mostly about, 80 to 90% are aimed at answering questions going back to the very beginning of this forum. Others members have much the same history. Before you think you have something useful to say maybe it would prove useful to answer a few questions and help your fellow Sonar users and not find fault with a post that was trying to show how this forum can work. 
 
I have not looked at your post history. However, with 35 posts many of which are attacking Craig in this thread I suspect by being here with uncalled for negative comments I wonder how much you make from Sonar. Most pros spend their time making money not trying to troll a thread.
 
 

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/23 22:44:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ham N Egz 2017/01/24 10:51:31
Could somebody PLEASE kill this useless thread. It's lowering the tone considerably and seems to be accomplishing nothing.

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/23 22:50:05 (permalink)
I understand this is a social club for some here and anything short of praise is upsetting the apple cart, but can't you just ignore the thread? Besides, it's not the haters who keep bumping it. Maybe the cheerleaders need to huddle up via PM.
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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 00:56:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ham N Egz 2017/01/24 10:51:57
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I understand this is a social club for some here and anything short of praise is upsetting the apple cart, but can't you just ignore the thread? Besides, it's not the haters who keep bumping it. Maybe the cheerleaders need to huddle up via PM.


Perhaps when you've been here a little longer you will get a better feel for the forum. Its not a social club its a community of users trying to help each other. When a user finds a bug we are grateful for alerting us about it. Many of us try to reproduce it so there is a confirmation about it. It may show up on some systems and not on others. The more information we provide the better it is for CW in tracking it down and fixing it. In the meantime others try to find workarounds so members can still use the software. 
 
What this forum is not about is attacking one another. We try to follow the CoC (Code of Conduct). Hosts try to give posters as much leeway as possible so that members don't feel too constrained. We count on the better nature of most people to post things that are not meant to abuse other members.
 
When posters go off topic in any thread it usually ends in someone misunderstanding or trying to find hidden meaning in posts. Often trying to find the worst motives in others. it would help greatly if instead doing that posters that suspect a problem with a poster or post contact a host or submit  a ticket about it. let the host look at it and then they will get back with the reporter and confirm or not the suspicion of the reporter.
 
The idea is don't post anything that can be construed as an attack on another member. If a member is a problem take it up with a host of your choice. Don't comment to that poster directly or in the thread.
 
Again this is and always has been a peer to peer forum. We are here to offer help to one another. Its the best place to learn Sonar and the best place to find a solution for a problem with Sonar. We really don't do well in other areas.      

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 01:07:07 (permalink)
Hi there I have a stack of mp3s on usb sticks that we use for backing tracks. The trouble is they are all different volumes, creating a nightmare for our P.A. Can someone tell me how to open them in sonar 8 them save them all with a new volume level. I would also like to maybe add filters or change some tracks as some are hollow, bassey etc.
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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 01:37:55 (permalink)
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Hi there I have a stack of mp3s on usb sticks that we use for backing tracks. The trouble is they are all different volumes, creating a nightmare for our P.A. Can someone tell me how to open them in sonar 8 them save them all with a new volume level. I would also like to maybe add filters or change some tracks as some are hollow, bassey etc.




You'll need an mp3 encoder. That does not come with Sonar by default. There's probably a better way to accomplish what you're after...
 
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/20700/how-to-adjust-the-volume-of-your-mp3-files
 
If you're set on using Sonar, I suggest starting a new thread rather than posting in this one which is unrelated.
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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 03:54:40 (permalink)
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Hi there I have a stack of mp3s on usb sticks that we use for backing tracks. The trouble is they are all different volumes, creating a nightmare for our P.A. 

There is a free program called mp3 gain that is designed exactly for this purpose.
 
http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/download.php

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 10:10:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby paulo 2017/01/24 11:32:18
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Now I wonder, where did the "negativity" in this thread started? Sorry to say, but the OP already had this not too subtle negativity of "why don't you always behave like this?", implying that forumites in too many cases don't act right. Then, one should not complain if it is pointed out, that even if forumites "behave like this", the result is nonetheless often different than in the given example. (Of course, I don't deny that at least some forumites really behave in a questionable way, more or less often. But this is obviously not the only reason for being heard or not.)
 

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.  But if it's suggesting that it's somehow Craig's fault that the thread went negative, I totally disagree.

All I wanted to say is that it's always the other "who starts with negativity". It depends much on your own point of view what you consider "negative". And in this particular thread, I can't get rid of the feeling that the main negativity was started by those calling others negative.
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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 10:49:04 (permalink)
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Now I wonder, where did the "negativity" in this thread started? Sorry to say, but the OP already had this not too subtle negativity of "why don't you always behave like this?", implying that forumites in too many cases don't act right. Then, one should not complain if it is pointed out, that even if forumites "behave like this", the result is nonetheless often different than in the given example. (Of course, I don't deny that at least some forumites really behave in a questionable way, more or less often. But this is obviously not the only reason for being heard or not.)
 

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.  But if it's suggesting that it's somehow Craig's fault that the thread went negative, I totally disagree.

All I wanted to say is that it's always the other "who starts with negativity". It depends much on your own point of view what you consider "negative". And in this particular thread, I can't get rid of the feeling that the main negativity was started by those calling others negative.




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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 11:21:49 (permalink)
OK so exactly where in Craig's original post was this "negativity"?  He was praising a few people based on a specific example. 

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 12:56:56 (permalink)
I think a few people felt left out They want to be praised as well... 

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 14:40:36 (permalink)
Maybe the whole subject of "forum behavior" should be banned as well as religion and politics 
 
Because although I don't think for one second that Craig's original post had anything but the best of intentions, the result could perhaps be filed under "should have seen that coming!"
 
For instance if I posted something in the Coffee house about certain currently controversial political figures, even if the intent of the post wasn't to stir up controversy and was meant as light relief, I should not be surprised if the thing had descended into a slinging match within a couple of hours. Any discussion about forum etiquette, forum behavior and the personality of forum users is bound to cause tension. 
 
So this is my suggestion - perhaps discussions of this nature to be banned outright and that ban added to the terms and conditions? 
 
Or perhaps that in itself is too controversial for discussion 

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 14:48:21 (permalink)
Since I'm a moody guy . I can say there seems to be at least a few dozen ways of looking at this thread during any given mood swing I may or not be having ...
In the end , after reading this thread many times over the course of a few days , I have come to the conclusion that Craig has taken a lot of unnecessary heat for no reason ...
I think that Craig went out starting this thread to serve the SONAR community as a whole but putting the information out there ..
The operative words here are Craig's Service to the SONAR community as a whole
(or even in part if you must go there )
It makes no difference to me whether I prove my point here or not ...
I feel there is a very big difference between serving a group of peoples genuine needs by sharing your knowledge and experience in a way where everybody benefits as opposed to the opposite side of the coin when a person shares their opinion of themselves as they would like people to see them as ... 
 
Regarding all the backlash ..." They Only Tackle the Guy With the Ball " as said by  Bruce Lee 
 
this has been my 2 centavo's
 
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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 14:55:35 (permalink)
So it's settled then. . . Craig hates puppies and the gleeful laughter of children
 

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Re: *This* Is How You Do It... 2017/01/24 15:04:50 (permalink)
Well, my premise was, as stated, to show "why this forum can be very, very cool." I also hoped it would show the ideal way to get results, as not all people know what the ideal way is.
 
I anticipated that people could spin it negatively, for example, I expected "yeah well why wasn't this fixed before?" or "Why wasn't my pet bug fixed?" or "Why did CW pay attention to THambrecht instead of me?" However I made the mistake of thinking that by anticipating that, people wouldn't do it and instead recognize that I was giving kudos to parties that I thought deserved it, as well as to a process.
 
So instead, this thread showed that forums can also be very uncool. Oh well.
 
I will follow Yoda's excellent advice in post #94 and lock this thread. I also recommend people read Sharke's post #104 that precedes mine, before this thread sinks off the main page.
 
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