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2016/03/22 16:55:22 (permalink)

[UPDATED 7/31] CakeTV Live with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez

This episode is a series of 7 videos all highlighting the form and function of the brand new SONAR Theme Editor, introduced to SONAR Platinum in the 2016.07 Update.
 
https://youtu.be/8-gTyZTar8g?list=PLCPMyFyv8V05DjUAEPn4ek_Zkjj5cip0K
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 17:16:55 (permalink)
Cool! This will be gold for people just getting into this And cool to see you guys in person, doing things back to back.
All the best.

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 17:51:48 (permalink)
Not bad. I found it a little difficult to see the menu's on screen. This would be a great thing to accompany new feature releases as this first episode does.

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 18:05:42 (permalink)
Why laugh at the old dialog? It is still being called up in the instrument browser. Replace that, too.
 
By the way, I got confused with the new dialog in one respect:
Input says "Omni", I thought, no, I want it to record on Channel 1.
So I opened the dropdown and saw:
All inputs,
Session Drummer 1,
EZdrummer 1,
Virtual Controller.
 
I messed around a bit and realized I had no idea what these things mean, so let's rather put it back the way it was.
So how do I go back to Omni?
I tried All Inputes - MIDI Omni - nope.
Session Drummer 1 - MIDI Omni - also not.
Tried the lot, none showed just Omni, like originally.
 
So I thought, heck. OK; just select "None" for now, then delete the track and start again.
And HEY PRESTO! It displayed "Omni"!
 
So if you want Omni, select None...?!?
 
Edit: Incidentally, the old dialog does have a help button. Good for beginners.
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 18:17:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/03/23 21:12:13
Perhaps they could have a video contest wherein they set up obscure and well-known controllers using ACT.  Midway through, they could become frustrated and discuss the need for a new solution!

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 19:34:36 (permalink)
This was a cool video.  I kinda dismissed the add track button as a "that's cool for noobs" feature, but if I am adding tracks that don't conform to track templates I set up, I will be using that feature.

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 21:51:08 (permalink)
Very cool guys. I laughed, I cried, I learned something new. 
I also dismissed this feature at first. But after watching this video I will use it for sure. 
 
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 22:01:16 (permalink)
I am glad this video is helpful. We are still exploring the concept so we will look forward to feedback and fine tune. 
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/22 22:12:53 (permalink)
Every little bit helps and reduces the learning curve...

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 05:36:22 (permalink)
Great idea to do a weekly video guys. I wouldn't generally comment on production but since you specifically asked for feedback - I  am not a big fan of the infomercial style format where one of the presenters pretends to be surprised and excited by every revelation. You are both articulate guys and it seems a bit cheesy. It is perfectly fine for you both to know what you are talking about;)
 
The only other comment I would make is I am unsure how wise it is to rubbish the version of your software that was being touted as your flagship only 12 months ago to show how good your new version is. Surely there are plenty of competing DAW's that could fill that unenviable position.
 
Those personal taste points aside - great job!

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 09:35:58 (permalink)
Hi Bruce,
I hear what you are saying but that was just meant in fun.
As you know software is ever evolving and a new version can make dramatic improvements to some areas. The point being made is that the new workflow is vastly more efficient. There are also some optimizations that make the old version seen really slow in comparison. So were just poking fun at ourselves really. Don't take it too seriously or literally:)

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 11:59:42 (permalink)
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...I hear what you are saying but that was just meant in fun...


And it was! Keep them coming!

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 15:11:55 (permalink)
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Hi Bruce,
I hear what you are saying but that was just meant in fun.
As you know software is ever evolving and a new version can make dramatic improvements to some areas. The point being made is that the new workflow is vastly more efficient. There are also some optimizations that make the old version seen really slow in comparison. So were just poking fun at ourselves really. Don't take it too seriously or literally:)


Ahhh - fair call Noel.  Certainly no harm in a bit of fun:) You will certainly get no argument from me with regards to how much Sonars efficiency has improved this last year. I don't remember the last time I had to wait for it to do anything! 



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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 17:46:01 (permalink)
I welcome back the Webisodes. These events can show off more of the new features in ways that they were meant to be explained or ascertained. Many times knowing a why a new feature is useful helps give credence to its usefulness and background. I'll add that, it may be fun to know if a new feature were influenced by the forum. Even problems corrected by feedback from the forum or support calls might help encourage users to offer up that feedback more accurately and frequently.
 
As far as production, in my opinion, I feel it would be dramatic to build the characters as Myth-Buster types. They are both known experts in the field, and can either meet a challenge or prove it's not practical (but there's a better way), this would be an incredible opportunity to challenge the presenters and let them determine the best way to accomplish a complex task. Just for fun!
  

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 18:31:48 (permalink)
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... I  am not a big fan of the infomercial style format ...
... The only other comment I would make is I am unsure how wise it is to rubbish the version of your software that was being touted as your flagship only 12 months ago to show how good your new version is....
... Those personal taste points aside - great job! ...



I agree with Bruce. Making fun of your previous flagship product or even of yourself isn't funny.
For ideas on new episodes why not use Cakewalk's own blog? It has quite a few great articles. Also Craig Anderton's weekly tips thread is an excellent source.
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 19:43:11 (permalink)
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...if I am adding tracks that don't conform to track templates I set up, I will be using that feature.

That brings up an idea.  Has anyone thought of adding a third tab to the Add Track dialog that prompts adding tracks via a template or templates? Just click Add Track, Templates tab, then select the template.  It all falls under adding tracks/

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 20:05:32 (permalink)
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...if I am adding tracks that don't conform to track templates I set up, I will be using that feature.

That brings up an idea.  Has anyone thought of adding a third tab to the Add Track dialog that prompts adding tracks via a template or templates? Just click Add Track, Templates tab, then select the template.  It all falls under adding tracks/


Ohh! you need to go post that in the features and ideas forum right now so I can give it 5 stars.

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/23 21:48:51 (permalink)
Great video comparing the then and now with Sonar.  It shows progress and that we can have some fun with improvements.   For some of us, we like the newer stuff.  For others, as long as we can record in a stable environment, we are happy.  
 
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/24 11:59:05 (permalink)
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...if I am adding tracks that don't conform to track templates I set up, I will be using that feature.

That brings up an idea.  Has anyone thought of adding a third tab to the Add Track dialog that prompts adding tracks via a template or templates? Just click Add Track, Templates tab, then select the template.  It all falls under adding tracks/


Ohh! you need to go post that in the features and ideas forum right now so I can give it 5 stars.


It's an idea whose time may have come. In fact, another poster had just made the same suggestion a few hours earlier. Still worth thumbing up IMHO.

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/24 12:28:39 (permalink)
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...if I am adding tracks that don't conform to track templates I set up, I will be using that feature.

That brings up an idea.  Has anyone thought of adding a third tab to the Add Track dialog that prompts adding tracks via a template or templates? Just click Add Track, Templates tab, then select the template.  It all falls under adding tracks/


Ohh! you need to go post that in the features and ideas forum right now so I can give it 5 stars.

I already did.  

It's an idea whose time may have come. In fact, another poster had just made the same suggestion a few hours earlier. Still worth thumbing up IMHO.




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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/24 17:56:49 (permalink)
 
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Great idea to do a weekly video guys. I wouldn't generally comment on production but since you specifically asked for feedback - I  am not a big fan of the infomercial style format where one of the presenters pretends to be surprised and excited by every revelation. You are both articulate guys and it seems a bit cheesy. It is perfectly fine for you both to know what you are talking about;)
 
The only other comment I would make is I am unsure how wise it is to rubbish the version of your software that was being touted as your flagship only 12 months ago to show how good your new version is. Surely there are plenty of competing DAW's that could fill that unenviable position.
 
Those personal taste points aside - great job!



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Thanks for the video it WAS informative :) But it was so cheesy!

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/24 19:26:43 (permalink)
I think it would be nice to see hands on recording and mixing a band with Platinum.



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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/24 20:13:10 (permalink)
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I think it would be nice to see hands on recording and mixing a band with Platinum.


It's going to be hard to fit a band in that room. But we can try :)
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/25 02:33:39 (permalink)
Get a bigger room!  Make it work! Ha ha!



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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/26 10:59:30 (permalink)
Nice job guys. Thanks

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/26 15:11:19 (permalink)
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I think it would be nice to see hands on recording and mixing a band with Platinum.

I would love to see this, too.
 
There is a YouTube by Brandon Ryan which claims to address this, but in reality the band is so good that everything is perfect in the first take and it turns into just another how-to-mixdown tutorial.
 
I would love to see best-practice recommendations and advice as might apply to typical commercial, somewhat time-pressured situation.
 
By that I mean what to do in a realistic world. A fluff in a guitar solo, singer misses a cue - the usual things that happen where we just would wind back the tape and drop in, back in the day.
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/26 19:12:43 (permalink)
This is fantastic... lots more of it!  I really want Sonar to grow and YouTube IS the new medium... I'm amazed at how much there is on other DAWs and lots more from Cakewalk can really build the excitement and awareness of Sonar
 
It was cute, informative, funny, cheesy, and much appreciated.  I have to say that I have a good friend who bought Sonar professional over a year ago at my recommendation but ultimately switched to Ableton PRECISELY BECAUSE THERE WAS SOOOO MUCH MORE YOUTUBE HANDHOLDING  and he really needed that.  He was lost with sonar because of the limited info/how to on the YT.
 
I agree with the comment that these should be made often.  Weekly for awhile would be great... maybe with different weeks focusing on different things, like a "Tips & Tricks" week, a Features week, How to for beginners week, a Sample recording sessions week, Mixing&Mastering.... etc... There is sooooo much that can be conveyed.  They can be put into PLAYLISTS per topic... I.E. a playlist for Getting Started which could have dozens of simple vids to help someone learn...  
 
Furthermore, hope someone knows the ins and outs of google/tagging to use them to the max so people searching for DAW vids get a chance to see them.... 
 
In regard to the above, I think a HUGE way to attract NEW users would be SONAR vs XXXX Daw Shootouts!  I.E.   Sonar vs Ableton, Sonar vs Cubase.... etc... THIS would result in way more Google YouTube search hits and show off Sonar's capabilities and workflow to users frustrated by their current DAW or considering a DAW  I know this would be challenging if no one knows the other daws but also it would be informative even in house...You might even want to query us users about doing this as a number of us use/have more than one DAW...
 
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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/29 16:20:27 (permalink)
Very nice!
Actually, I find that format and the way to present the topics helpful. Yes, it is a little bit funny, if a Product Manager is surprised (but probably they use very agile methods to design new features) that way.
But: I did not get the advantage of "just a new button to do the same I do with the other button". That little demo taught me that I wasted a lot of time in the last weeks...
 
If you can produce a video like this to show how to use ACT with a non CW/Roland controller, I probably try to extend my membership to the 20's - right now!

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/29 18:10:39 (permalink)
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... I  am not a big fan of the infomercial style format ...
... The only other comment I would make is I am unsure how wise it is to rubbish the version of your software that was being touted as your flagship only 12 months ago to show how good your new version is....
... Those personal taste points aside - great job! ...



I agree with Bruce. Making fun of your previous flagship product or even of yourself isn't funny.
For ideas on new episodes why not use Cakewalk's own blog? It has quite a few great articles. Also Craig Anderton's weekly tips thread is an excellent source.




One of the big problems with humor is that it just doesn't translate very well...and I don't just mean from English to [fill in the blank]. There can be serious regional translation issues, as well. What's funny to a New Yorker can be REALLY rude and off-putting to a Southerner. What's funny in Mexico can get you slapped upside the head in Venezuela (PLEASE don't ask me how I know that ).
 
SONAR has an international customer base, with many having a first language other than English. More care and caution than might seem normal can be very good business.
 
Let me cite an example. It was my first paid day as a Six Sigma consultant. The client was Citibank, who were planning a corporate-wide, full scale adoption. The lead consultant (30+ years experience, two Ph.D.'s; highly regarded in the field) happened to be a New Yorker, while the people in the room were all directors or VPs or higher. There were about 60 Citibankers, from 42 countries. Long story short, before noon on Day 1 of a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract, two Germans had thrown a full clothed Pakistani into the resort's main pool and my colleague had been tossed from the contract because his "humor" had pi$$ed off so many people.
 
I managed to pull things together, but I was scared $hitless. I got so cautious, that after about six months of now being the lead, I got pulled to the side by a business unit president and flat out told to be more of a consultant.
 
Humor can be funny...or dangerous...and the line can be VERY fine.
 
What does work, well, what works very well for me, is self-deprecation. Before I offer a suggestion, I lead with a maxima mea culpa. Clients (customers) KNOW that you make mistakes. When you can stand up and say "I goofed up, here's how, and here's what I did to solve my problem", you gain credibility.
 
In this case, I don't see X3's performance as a mistake. It was great. Platinum's is better.
 
What might have been interesting in this video would have been the addition of, say, v8.5 in addition to X3 and SPlat. Instead of old vs. new, show a continuing progression of improvement. THAT would be appealing to me. We're here. We've been around for a long time. We're going to continue to thrive...and we're going to do that by continually evolving and improving our product.
 
Sign me up!
 
Well, I guess I am already signed up! 

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Re: CakeTalk Episode 1 with Joey Adams and Dan Gonzalez 2016/03/29 18:38:42 (permalink)
Very eloquently stated. Erring to the side of professional should always be default and is never wrong.

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