Please refrain from comparing your minor V-Vocal issues with the organized murder of 11-17 million Jews and other undesirables.

The undesirable part should have been in quotes unless you think along the same lines.

You have absolutely no idea who reads these posts and it lends no credence to your argument and makes you look childish. 

It sort of makes this point funny, ironic.

I know that you didn't mean any of this yet we often post in too much haste thus causing all sorts of misinterpretation.

I agree with what I believe you meant to say.

I think we should listen to Bit and let the thread die.

Please refrain from comparing your minor V-Vocal issues with the organized murder of 11-17 million Jews and other undesirables.

Are you calling the Jews undesirable?

BEATZM1D10T

glrecordings

Maybe we should wear a yellow star on our chest.

Please refrain from comparing your minor V-Vocal issues with the organized murder of 11-17 million Jews and other undesirables.

You have absolutely no idea who reads these posts and it lends no credence to your argument and makes you look childish.

I'm done with this thread.

No, come back - you are funny.
 

bitflipper


I think this whole thread should be given a rest.

We've already established the basic information: a few users experience crashes with V-Vocal and the majority do not. Leave Melodyne out of it, as it is irrelevant. Lighten up on the grammar policing. ("english" should be capitalized, btw :)

CW support should have easily determined the cause of the crash from the crash dumps glrecording sent them (gl, you did send one, didn't you? They can't divine the answer from tea leaves, you know!).

I'm guessing they know exactly what causes it and are waiting for a fix from Roland. Another possibility is that the crashes are the result of an interaction with some 3rd party component, in which case they may be very limited as to what actions they can take.

What else really needs to be said about this topic?

And miss out on your divine platinum insight and knowledge?

Sijel

And miss out...

 
Have you exhausted all the work around advice we've given so far?
 
I'm serious about that, Greg... I understand you're frustrated but we're spending our time providing input and all we're seeing back is tempermental rants.
How about providing some feedback on what advice you've tried and what results they gave?

I don't really see how you can think I am ranting - especially not in the context of all the crap some people are letting out. My original post was maybe a bit emotional but fairly clearly stated the problem and the desired goal.
 
I am really not interested in workarounds. I want the SW, that I have purchased throughout the years since the DOS days, to work as advertised. I want CW to stop sensoring helpful info, stop claiming the support info as confidential and take this problem serious and get it fixed. The problem has been there for years!
 
It has been an interesting journey. I cannot believe the amount of people that think they are moving anything forward by advertising their arrogance and/or stupidity through a glow of superiority, a twisted conviction that their little narrowminded outbursts make the world a better place, or an uncontrollable desire to correct or just point out errors in grammer and language.  I mean, we even had a guy thinking that I compared my V-vocal trouble to the eradication of '11-17mill' of my people. The whole thing has been a little like watching FOX news - one can just not believe how many weirdos are out there and crap they say, believe, or do.
 
Sijel, I do not mean to lump you in with these individuals. You have been very positive and provided info on workarounds. I think that is very nice of you.
 
Well, while having all this fun commenting on people's moronic prose I got contacted by CW Tech support. For the first time they actually asked for debug info!!
 
I guess I will use my new website (that took 30min to set up and cost $7.85) www.v-vocal.com to document this.
 

V-Vocal could surely work better, that's true, but with these:

"It has been an interesting journey. I cannot believe the amount of people that think they are moving anything forward by advertising their arrogance and/or stupidity through a glow of superiority, a twisted conviction that their little narrowminded outbursts make the world a better place, or an uncontrollable desire to correct or just point out errors in grammer and language. "

you're shooting yourself in the foot. Can't you see you're behaving exactly like the ones you're critisizing? Why should the other forumites behave any better (or do you think they are so much above you?). Often..(usually?) you get what you ask for. The forest echoes back what it hears.
 
That grammar-thing was a miserable mistake. The native english speakers often forget,  that so many here are using their second, third or fourth language. That's why it's good to have yourlocation mentioned under the avatar.

I believe it was this line that prompted the reaction: "Maybe we should wear a yellow star on our chest." It is a direct comparison. However, it appears to have been a side-topic about grammar and spelling, though I'm sure it all started rolling together a while ago...

stevec

I want the SW, that I have purchased throughout the years since the DOS days, to work as advertised

 
Obviously that's not referring to VVocal itself, which has been around for maybe 4-5 years: half as long as SONAR much less ProAudio before. 
 
 

I mean, we even had a guy thinking that I compared my V-vocal trouble to the eradication of '11-17mill' of my people.

 
I believe it was this line that prompted the reaction: "Maybe we should wear a yellow star on our chest."  It is a direct comparison.   However, it appears to have been a side-topic about grammar and spelling, though I'm sure it all started rolling together a while ago...
 
 
Anyhow, I do hope VVocal gets some attention at some point.  I don't personally find it to be the most important thing ever in SONAR-land - I'd take an update to things like envelopes, notation and the UI way over VVocal.  But it is a delivered tool and could certainly use an update.  I know I don't use it that often since I don't completely trust it, but when I do it's always immedaitely followed by a bounce.  That seems to consistently avoid errors in my environment.   YMMV of course.  
 
 

Read and understand the posts before you comment. The yellow star comment was in reference to treating other people from other backgrounds with respect - of course the poster went back and deleted his comments. Had absolutely nothing to do with V-vocal. But I think you knew that - it just more fun exploring how to twist things around so one can get offended rather than offering useful information.
 
To your first comment - thanks for the clarification - that is really useful. So the problem has only been there for 4-5 years. That doesn't change the fact that I have been giving my money to CW since the DOS days and think they owe me (us) SW that works.

glrecordings

(here are some commas for the grammar geeks to insert at will: ",,,,,,")

 
Randy has, quite graciously IMO, apologised in a prior post - why provoke?

uncleswede

glrecordings

(here are some commas for the grammar geeks to insert at will: ",,,,,,")

 
Randy has, quite graciously IMO, apologised in a prior post - why provoke?

I respect Randy for apologizing, but read the thread again and you will see he is not the only one that felt the need to comment on my attempt to use the english language.

Sijel

BTW, I like the running log of events on your website. It seems to be factual and to the point, and that's what this topic needs IMHO.

 
I completely agree with this quote from Stevec.  I think it's good that you are documenting the FACTS of YOUR problems and troubleshooting experience with CW Tech Support.
 
(I also believe the other parts on that page are unnecessary and misleading.  To me it implies that you have the same problem and cause as the other forum posts.  Putting these posts on the same page as YOUR tech support experience is misleading.  Also, references to people switching to Melodyne are not relevant unless you then want to point out that people are having problems with Melodyne and AutoTune as well.  Afterall, there are posts in Sonar and the other forums detailing unfixed problems with each of these products.  If you are operating in good faith, you should strive to provide unbiased information (otherwise, you're no better than, as you referenced in one of your posts here, Fox .  I'd call them Fox News - but there not a "News" program, they're more like "Inflammatory Entertainment."

I appreciate your input but the web site is mine so I can do want I want. If people don't like it they can just avoid typing in www.v-vocal.com . The site is not about my experience with tech support. It is about getting a fix so all experience involving V-vocal and  tech support is relevant. What is really annoying me is that the problem has been there for so long - so whatever it takes to get attention works for me - even "Inflammatory Entertainment"....which this board has really helped me with.

first of all

CONGRATULATIONS!!!
On getting your problem noticed by the roland tech's manager. 
Maybe even got higher.
 
When I first read your post I had no problem understanding what you were saying and attempting to do. 
Very clear I thought. BUT....I said good luck.  
Hey, I only paid 300 bucks for 8.5 PE 64
I thought maybe you paid like $619 US,  the list price.  LOL!!!! 
I'd a been pissed too.
I'm used to stuff not working the way it's supposed to; 
And the things you have to do to get it to do,
what it will otherwise not do but you need it to do.
 
You must understand that the r&d team for this program, (the coders), are probably in japan and these guys running this site are not anywhere near the top of the food chain in rolandland.  They merely report what gets through what ever else they are much more engrossed in doing.......
Madden Football?  or
whatever else their boss can think for them to do to earn their keep.
Are you aware of this fact?  most coders Do Not test their own code beyond this; 
They code it. 
Then they see if it works on the build they have on their set up.
That's it. 
They export it (save it to an internal distribution site) and they are on to the next thing. 
They think that if it works on mine, it will work on yours.
These guys are frequently very very intelligent (at least about programming), and heavily invested in doing it. 
They are also frequently very busy on the next projects planned for however far AHEAD they are planning. 
Not doing bug fixes.
In most cases, I'd guess the guys doing bug fixes are the lowest guys on the totem pole;
 new hires or interns............. 
Doing bug fixes is not something anyone in software industry thinks is important.  Duh...
You already bought it.  LOL. 
Ever try to return software?  
Sorry but it's true.    
    
Think I'm kidding?
 
Intel, IBM, HP and all the others headquartered in silicon valley and the others you can think of around the world. 
They are all alike and they all know each other also. 
You must have heard of monkey see.....monkey do.
They emulate each others model.
I'd qualify that by saying, in the USA , for sure; 
and quite a few are good friends with their counterparts in europe and asia. 
So, if they leave one company?  They get hired at another.
I'd guess that all that is here in the USA for Roland is marketing & sales & distribution.  
Now the Japanese.  
Not well known for wanting to deal with Americans.
Is this a problem the Japanese market is having?  
Yes? No?
That might help explain the time lag between you complaining and anything being done about it. 

Unless you threaten to change DAWS!!!!!!! LOL

Audacity is free.   And you can get recording software LE with almost any music hardware addon to a computer.  berringer gives it away    
with a $49 midi/audio usb input and supports it.
It's chinese though. any body tried it?
 
I'll stay with Sonar out of loyalty to Greg Hendershott  
and because of my 17 year Cakewalk 3.0 sequencer experience. 
I hope that I have the good results many on this forum have had
with getting it (SONAR) to do what I want when I get down to it.
The ones that get it to work seem to love it.  At least they say they do.
I'm still going through acclimatisation.......

We shall see what happens when I get frustrated..........
Large type face is in my arsenal..................
but, but, but.....it is KAPU!!!!!.........................oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
watch it
 
I'll use it!!! ............

look out grumplepie!! 
 
 
miau
 
with much aloha
 
gato 
 

wow            way cool
refreshing and quite different from all the latest trend although, isn't alesis on the east coast somewhere now too, and under new ownership?   (rhetorical)

so, i'm just guessing Roland bought Cakewalk and part of the deal was to let you guys run your own show?  Hmmmmm                       
none of my business so no answer necessary.
 

Whole lots of question flooding my brain now?  Lots of why thises then and how comes? 
As they percolate and form some kind of cohesive glob I'll try to ask them somewhere on the forum ....... or not 

Like,  how many coders working on this?   Cakewalk a small group?  You make it seem so is all
I was merely speculating where your r & d team was since Roland bought you.
Seemed to make sense they'd be in Japan.
Is that the why, of why it takes a long time to get stuff fixed, or is it,  that it is, and/or was a difficult fix? or, the problem of Sonar conflicting with other programs? or vice versa and not Sonar's fault at all? 
 
you aware that there is a definite need for a DEEPER FAQ & answers section to help protect newbies from attack by old and crankys? maybe above getting started?  one where when someone asked a question in getting started, the answer would be #26 or #74,  instead of "if you weren't yelling and screaming and crying and threatening to change daws we'd help, but since you are not using enough commas, and other correct punctuation,  in your broken english rant we won't."  
seems like empathy and sympathy are in short order these days
or maybe a firmer BE NICE!!! would work?  or if you can't say something positive    shhhhh  ? 
  
The one (FAQ) I've found only tells me it doesn't work -- what's it say -- 404 or something like that?  not available  ah i went and looked and found that other one in support.  i was referring to the one in forum menu as the one broken.   i was searching for the answer to how do i make my poor avatar fit that avatar space better? 
  
that was just a joke you know..... about madden football
 
 
lol

miau

with much aloha

gato

Madden Football has never been a big thing in our world. Doom once was, though. Those Microsoft guys were wicked good at it, too.

This is getting weirder by the minute.
 
....and although it had absolutely nothing to with the beginning of the thread - we also heard from CW. Impressive.

www.v-vocal.com

hi gl

aloha


yes isn't it


miau
 
my avatar?  need to fit....  anyone that could possibly help?
this poor old befuddled pussy cat? who doesn't even know where ibm hq is (unless prompted)
 
CW was making a point i think about not being in Japan.   (yet)      nonono   jus kidn
 
miau  
 
much aloha
 
gato
 
   
i think i'm turning japanese -- i think i'm turning japanese
i really think so