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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/03 09:32:49
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no, you seem to have confused paying for the update that they coded with getting something for free.
this conversation is over as far as I'm concerned. have a good day.
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noiseboy
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/03 11:25:07
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Beagle
no, you seem to have confused paying for the update that they coded with getting something for free.
this conversation is over as far as I'm concerned. have a good day.
Hmm, if you ignore the arguments, I guess it is. I'm surprised you chose to ignore the equivalent EuCon example in particular, which Cakewalk were perfectly fair about - it wasn't an issue there, and there's no reason for it to be here. Beagle, this is a non-issue, I'm not sure why you're making it one. If there is a fixed dll and it works in 8.5, then I've no doubt at all that Cakewalk will allow 8.5 users to finally use the product they paid for many years ago.
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/03 12:12:47
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Beagle
no, you seem to have confused paying for the update that they coded with getting something for free.
this conversation is over as far as I'm concerned. have a good day.
Hmm, if you ignore the arguments, I guess it is. I'm surprised you chose to ignore the equivalent EuCon example in particular, which Cakewalk were perfectly fair about - it wasn't an issue there, and there's no reason for it to be here.
Beagle, this is a non-issue, I'm not sure why you're making it one. If there is a fixed dll and it works in 8.5, then I've no doubt at all that Cakewalk will allow 8.5 users to finally use the product they paid for many years ago.
I said I was through and I am sure I shouldn't reply again. but if you "have no doubt at all that cakewalk will allow 8.5 users to finally use the product they paid for many years ago" - then I would think that the new dll would be available from cake for download for registered 8.5 and below users. that IS my point. I paid for the updates in X1. you did not. if cake feels you should be entitled to the new cronus dll then they will make it available to you for download. THAT is exactly the same as the EuCon example. they eventually gave you the fix, right? well. then THEY can give you the fix for cronus, not me or another user. it is NOT a non-issue. other users didn't give you the EuCon fix. CAKE did. I don't understand why that's such a difficult concept.
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noiseboy
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/03 16:34:45
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Beagle
no, you seem to have confused paying for the update that they coded with getting something for free.
this conversation is over as far as I'm concerned. have a good day.
Hmm, if you ignore the arguments, I guess it is. I'm surprised you chose to ignore the equivalent EuCon example in particular, which Cakewalk were perfectly fair about - it wasn't an issue there, and there's no reason for it to be here.
Beagle, this is a non-issue, I'm not sure why you're making it one. If there is a fixed dll and it works in 8.5, then I've no doubt at all that Cakewalk will allow 8.5 users to finally use the product they paid for many years ago.
I said I was through and I am sure I shouldn't reply again.
but if you "have no doubt at all that cakewalk will allow 8.5 users to finally use the product they paid for many years ago" - then I would think that the new dll would be available from cake for download for registered 8.5 and below users. that IS my point. I paid for the updates in X1. you did not. if cake feels you should be entitled to the new cronus dll then they will make it available to you for download.
THAT is exactly the same as the EuCon example. they eventually gave you the fix, right? well. then THEY can give you the fix for cronus, not me or another user. it is NOT a non-issue. other users didn't give you the EuCon fix. CAKE did. I don't understand why that's such a difficult concept.
The first point is that we don't know if this fix even exists, or works. If you - or anyone - can tell us, then that eliminates the need for anyone to directly send anyone anything, fine. If you don't want to test it for us, I'm more than happy to be a guinea pig. If it does work, then I have no doubt whatsoever that Cakewalk will make that available to all, because it's exactly how they handled the EuCon issue. Maybe you misinterpreted my original comment - I'm volunteering to see if it works, of course it ultimately makes sense for Cakewalk to make that available directly. What you still fail to grasp is why the principle IS the same as the EuCon example. That fix was publicly provided for X1 users, not 8.5. However, it works for 8.5, and they are also entitled to use it - no-one from Cakewalk has ever suggested otherwise. It restores broken core functionality to both products, but obviously X1 is the product with active ongoing support, so it's only directly named as supported for X1. You seem to have something of an issue here with 8.5.3 users getting benefit from something getting fixed even if they didn't buy X1. I don't, in exactly the same way as with the EuCon adapter. And in that case, Cakewalk didn't either. This is indeed a non-issue which you seem strangely agitated about. If someone - anyone - can confirm that this dll exists and works for users whose original 8.5.3 one is broken, I've no doubt it's an easy matter to get Cakewalk to make the dll available to all those affected by the bug, not just the most recent customers. It's good news all round. Cakewalk are a great company, and have no track record in pettiness.
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/03 17:07:46
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good bye noiseboy.
have a good life.
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noiseboy
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/03 18:12:37
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So - hissy fits aside, the question remains. Can anyone out there test on behalf of all of us in this particular boat if the latest cronus.dll supplied in X1 stops 8.5.3 crashing?
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/03 22:06:30
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Because all SONAR versions share common plugin folders, any DLLs that are common to multiple SONAR installations will always be the most recent revision.
So if you upgraded, say, from SONAR 5 to SONAR 8.5, you got a new cronus.dll and any fixes or enhancements it contained -- and those fixes and enhancements applied retroactively to SONAR 5. Of course, any new features would also have to be supported in SONAR itself. For example, you'd also get sidechain support for the Sonitus gate and compressor - but SONAR 5 had no internal support for sidechaining so you'd still have no sidechain under SONAR 5, even with the new DLLs.
Similarly, if you installed the X1 demo but never purchased X1, you still received any fixes for any DLLs that are common between X1 and whatever version of SONAR you're currently running. CW probably doesn't like to talk about such things, but the truth remains that you can sometimes acquire bug fixes for your abandoned version by simply installing a demo of the newest version.
My current version of cronus.dll is 1.5.3. This is the version that installed with the X1 demo (X1c, IIRC). Anybody got a newer one than that?
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/04 02:23:44
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bitflipper
Because all SONAR versions share common plugin folders, any DLLs that are common to multiple SONAR installations will always be the most recent revision. See, I didn't know that because I've never had more than one version of Sonar installed at any given time. Sorry if I inadvertently caused friction in this thread, that was never my intention.
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noiseboy
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/04 03:25:38
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bitflipper
Because all SONAR versions share common plugin folders, any DLLs that are common to multiple SONAR installations will always be the most recent revision.
So if you upgraded, say, from SONAR 5 to SONAR 8.5, you got a new cronus.dll and any fixes or enhancements it contained -- and those fixes and enhancements applied retroactively to SONAR 5. Of course, any new features would also have to be supported in SONAR itself. For example, you'd also get sidechain support for the Sonitus gate and compressor - but SONAR 5 had no internal support for sidechaining so you'd still have no sidechain under SONAR 5, even with the new DLLs.
Similarly, if you installed the X1 demo but never purchased X1, you still received any fixes for any DLLs that are common between X1 and whatever version of SONAR you're currently running. CW probably doesn't like to talk about such things, but the truth remains that you can sometimes acquire bug fixes for your abandoned version by simply installing a demo of the newest version.
My current version of cronus.dll is 1.5.3. This is the version that installed with the X1 demo (X1c, IIRC). Anybody got a newer one than that?
Cheers Bitflipper, I guess this is the same version as mine then. 8.5.3 spectacularly fell over when I first invoked V Vocal with this. I did read something somewhere about rescanning or something, do you think that might make a difference? And do you still have problems with V Vocal? I'm beginning to wonder if the last couple of pages have been slightly mythical... on a search on the X1 forum people still seem to report lots of problems with V Vocal.
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/04 12:17:37
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I haven't had a V-V crash in years.
But I also use it more conservatively now than I did when I first got it back in 2005. Back then it was a fun novelty, and I naively presumed that each and every vocal track could benefit from "correction". I soon figured out that I wasn't always helping the track, that sometimes pitch editing did more harm than good.
Nowadays, I use it surgically. Many projects get no pitch editing at all. When I do use it, I typically have no more than two V-V clips active at a time. I make my edits and bounce immediately.
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/03/04 16:37:17
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My crashes are quite variable - I try to follow the guidelines of small clips and bouncing, but sometimes it crashes anyway. Of course, none of this should be necessary - just opening V Vocal should never cause a crash excepting an absurdly large file perhaps. So it seems to me that a decent test it just to treat it like a regular plugin, not with v vocal kid gloves, and see if it breaks!
So anyone out there who does experience crashes able to test the latest version for us? Or I wonder if I've already done that?
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/05/27 19:03:13
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I dare to ressurect this again...
Any joy from anyone on getting V Vocal working? I now can't even seem to open a small V Vocal clip in 8.5.3 64 bit Win 7 without the Cronus crash. It's kinda annoying - I have V Vocal, Waves Pitch LT and Steinberg PitchCorrect, but am unable to use any in Sonar. V vocal crashes, Waves isn't compatible, and as a VST3, neither is Pitch Correct.
Grrr.
I'm not sure anyone with X1 ever confirmed if the latest version also works in 8.5.3, and if so if it fixes it. I know my X1 demo version a few months ago didn't.
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/05/28 12:24:28
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The latest version of cronus.dll does work with 8.5.3. According to CW's notes, some common crash scenarios were pre-empted in this revision. That doesn't necessarily mean that your particular problem has been addressed, though.
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noiseboy
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Re:V-Vocal cronus.dll CRASH - OPEN LETTER - I am not gonna take this s*** anymore.
2012/05/29 01:04:30
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Thanks bitflipper - do you know when the most recent version was updated? EDIT - found it, it was in the X1B update. It's not updated in the most recent version of the X1 trial, so I'll ask Mr Cakewalk nicely.
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