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2013/07/01 10:29:54 (permalink)

Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk.

I have a very bad feeling about Cakewalk. I'm getting the idea that you dont care about your customers anymore. I see on the forum that a lot of customers are "jumping ship" to Cubase 7 and the like. It would do the company good to maybe get on the forum to explain the situation of no updates and no communication. I feel the only thing you want to do is sell products and damn the customers. I for one am not going to buy anything from cakewalk until this whole bug upgrade issue is solved. If you want to break up the company like this just lock the door and turn off the site. Atleast your x-customers will know that you don't give a damn about them anymore.
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 10:42:00 (permalink)
Not sure what specific bug / upgrade issue you're referring to, but I think there's more interaction from Cakewalk on this forum than most other DAW software providers on their respective forum.  But obviously you're welcome to your opinion. 
 
Do you have a specific quesiton for the forum community to assist with?

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 10:44:13 (permalink)
would you mind listing your sound interface/drivers, RAM and motherboard please, might have alot to do with it P.S celerons have to be the worse chip Intel have made, not for audio in anyway
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 10:44:40 (permalink)
These are my feelings as well. They seem to have cut us out of the maintenance/development loop entirely. A lot of the frustration and anger that people are feeling could be avoided if only someone from Cakewalk would come on here and give us a ballpark idea of what they're working on and what to expect. As I've said before, this is only a hobby for me but I can only begin to imagine what it must be like if your livelihood depends on this software and you're fighting it every day. Do you jump ship and invest in a new DAW ($$ cost, time cost, risk factor) or do you wait to see if Cakewalk has a solution in the works? Businesses need to be able to plan ahead, and they can't do that without at least some kind of clue as to what they're going to be facing. People would be a lot more forgiving about flaws in the software if the manufacturer was open and upfront about it. 
 
I've only been here since last year but I've noticed a huge change on the forums in terms of how often Cakewalk representatives chime in regarding bugs and fixes etc. There has to be a reason why the sudden change in communication policy, and I don't have a good feeling about it. 

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 10:53:20 (permalink)
What's sad about all this is, it only takes a single, in-depth communication from Cakewalk people to calm down the audience. It's long in the tooth to see hints about some things, but really nothing about X2b. I know I highly recommended a longer test/fix period for X2b, but I am losing my patience. 

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:02:03 (permalink)
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Not sure what specific bug / upgrade issue you're referring to, but I think there's more interaction from Cakewalk on this forum than most other DAW software providers on their respective forum.  But obviously you're welcome to your opinion. 
 
Do you have a specific quesiton for the forum community to assist with?


The question is pointed directly toward Cakewalk. There is too much negativity on the forum as far as bugs, update expectations, and just plain loosing customers after 10's of years being a customer of the company. It's about time that they come out and say what they propose. I believe I have a right to say this as a paying customer.
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:16:17 (permalink)
I would infer the silence from CW that some incredible things are coming. However, I sense that whatever "fixes" we get for open issues will not be a patch, but rather an upgrade which would be appalling. I do agree that Cakewalk, at least after this length of time, should bit the bullet and address all of this directly. The strategy from CW's Marketing department is losing credibility. Silence can hatch a golden egg with great surprise and ooh' and ahh's, but in this case, the egg is rotting.
 
Just a simple, but direct comment from CW regarding X2b, whether or not X3 is even mentioned would bring the golden goose back a little longer.

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:20:40 (permalink)
Yet another thread on Cakewalk's silence problem... Many long-time users have been lost, and many more have been on the fence, practically begging for a simple word to keep our faith in the Sonar product.  Nothing!  And I mean NOTHING whatsoever since 2012.
 
Cakewalk's/Roland's cold-shoulder strategy has pushed me off entirely.  Even if they put out X2b tomorrow, I cannot buy into a company that refuses communication on bug fixes, major or minor. 
 
To be clear: I am fine with bugs, if the company respects its customers enough to recognize them and communicate expectations.  Specifically, Steinberg is doing a fantastic job in this respect.  They are making this whole Cakewalk experience feel like a bad relationship that, once over, you cannot ever imagine why you stayed.
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:27:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Grem 2013/07/01 11:53:52
Just from a slightly different position...  I don't find the lack of a patch "appalling", just a little puzzling given CW's history.   Then again, I really don't have many issues with X2a, and those I have I already know and they're minor.  I guess if I was on the flip side, I would probably feel different about it.
 
And as strange as it seems to be writing this, I don't see CW coming across this thread's title and thinking "we should reply!".   There have been other "where is X2b?" threads already in this peer to peer forum, so perhaps at some level it's white noise.   That said, I too would like to have a better idea where things are headed.   However....  I'm not holding my breath, I'm not planning to jump ship, and chances are I will like whatever the answer is.   That's just the way it always seems to work out for me.    Knock on virtual wood.   
 

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:29:05 (permalink)
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Not sure what specific bug / upgrade issue you're referring to, but I think there's more interaction from Cakewalk on this forum than most other DAW software providers on their respective forum.  But obviously you're welcome to your opinion. 
 
Do you have a specific quesiton for the forum community to assist with?


The question is pointed directly toward Cakewalk. There is too much negativity on the forum as far as bugs, update expectations, and just plain loosing customers after 10's of years being a customer of the company. It's about time that they come out and say what they propose. I believe I have a right to say this as a paying customer.


You certainly have the right to say anything you want.  But given this is a user community forum, I was asking whether you had something we  could actually help you with or not. 
 
If you just prefer to vent, that's up to you - but it sounds like Cakewalk is best placed to answer your quesiton (not users in a community forum), so maybe writing their support or customer service emails may be more productive to resolve your issue than venting on a user forum.

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:30:30 (permalink)
yeah, the silence is starting to remind me of the silence before the death of Project 5 & NI's Kore

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:34:33 (permalink)
Yes... It appears that many things are/have changed as Cakewalk was most definitely the best company with user interaction... But that appears to have disappeared overnight... If I were Roland and bought something as successful as Cakewalk, I believe I would not go to the extremes of change that seem to be happening as it radically distorts the user base currently supporting it...

But hey... What do I know as I can barely support myself... <sigh>...

Here's hoping this is all getting ironed out and the acquisition period ends soon!

I for one depend on Sonar for my daily existence and tho my sys is relatively stable, the things that were fine and are noe extremely difficult are debilitating and if not addresses soon, will force a radical change here too...

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:36:52 (permalink)
Completely new DAW probably coming.
 
Might as well feed the FUD....

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:38:39 (permalink)
>>yeah, the silence is starting to remind me of the silence before the death of Project 5
 
That was my feeling as well.  I just recently bought X2 after having been away from it since P5 death. 
 
While I have been working well with Sonar X2, and I like the software and what it can do for me -  I don't like the silence from management.  It is eerily similar to the complete news blackout before the death of P5. 
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:43:46 (permalink)
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Not sure what specific bug / upgrade issue you're referring to, but I think there's more interaction from Cakewalk on this forum than most other DAW software providers on their respective forum.  But obviously you're welcome to your opinion. 
 
Do you have a specific quesiton for the forum community to assist with?


The question is pointed directly toward Cakewalk. There is too much negativity on the forum as far as bugs, update expectations, and just plain loosing customers after 10's of years being a customer of the company. It's about time that they come out and say what they propose. I believe I have a right to say this as a paying customer.


You certainly have the right to say anything you want.  But given this is a user community forum, I was asking whether you had something we  could actually help you with or not. 
 
If you just prefer to vent, that's up to you - but it sounds like Cakewalk is best placed to answer your quesiton (not users in a community forum), so maybe writing their support or customer service emails may be more productive to resolve your issue than venting on a user forum.


This user forum is from Cakewalk and is controlled by moderators. The company itself looks at what is posted. This site is for Cakewalk a lot of valuable information to see how their company stands. The feedback that they get is enormeus. I have posted mails everywhere and even called Boston from Holland for answers. I feel that this forum is for the company as well as the users. 
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:45:11 (permalink)
I have a very good feeling about Cake.
 
Nobody stood up and jumped around flappin' their arms and jaws about what was going on
but they have spoken, for those listening, that dealing with issues such as forum formatting changes that could be made would need to be addressed at a later time because they were very busy.
 
Cake has a history of doing some really great things and I think we're in for a treat...don't know when but no way I'm walking out in the middle of this show.
 
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:47:33 (permalink)
Cowboydan,
 
I have to agree with you, the lack of communication is quite bad.   It is so much easier to keep your existing customers than to find new ones every cycle.  A little update would have been nice to keep loyal customers somewhat in the loop, particularly those having problems.      I understand the companies cannot reveal all their plans to the market, however, there are things they can reveal without compromising their strategies or confidentiality.   I too have been a long-time user of Cakewalk software going back to the days of software coming on diskettes and have taken every upgrade since V5.   I find myself looking at other alternatives due to the issues I am seeing with X2 and lack of updates.   I will not list them here as the purpose of your thread is to highlight the communication problems.   Suffice it to say, they create a level of inconvenience that I am not willing to deal with.   Going on 7 months without an update or so much as a simple, "coming soon" message is problematic.   Particularly given that it wasn't so long ago that we were told that Cakewalk were adopting a hot-fix strategy to quickly alleviate critical user issues in between full family patches or version upgrades.
 
Regards
 
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:51:12 (permalink)
Yes, some Cakewalk people watch the forums when they can - but given they have jobs to do, they don't watch them all the time / everyday - they've stated this many times before.  It's highly unlikely you'll get a response from them on this forum.  But, as you say, you have the right to say whatever you want.  I'm gonna drop from the thread though given where it's heading.  Best of luck to ya - hope it gets sorted. 

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:51:34 (permalink)
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I have a very good feeling about Cake.
 
Nobody stood up and jumped around flappin' their arms and jaws about what was going on
but they have spoken, for those listening, that dealing with issues such as forum formatting changes that could be made would need to be addressed at a later time because they were very busy.
 
Cake has a history of doing some really great things and I think we're in for a treat...don't know when but no way I'm walking out in the middle of this show.
 




Good points... the recent forum software update was sorely needed, and while it certainly took a long time in the end they got 'er done.
 
Let's hope whatever's coming down the pike for SONAR is one of those great things you referred to, because they really have done some great work.   I doubt we'd all be here otherwise. 
 

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:52:41 (permalink)
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Not sure what specific bug / upgrade issue you're referring to, but I think there's more interaction from Cakewalk on this forum than most other DAW software providers on their respective forum.  But obviously you're welcome to your opinion. 
 
Do you have a specific quesiton for the forum community to assist with?


The question is pointed directly toward Cakewalk. There is too much negativity on the forum as far as bugs, update expectations, and just plain loosing customers after 10's of years being a customer of the company. It's about time that they come out and say what they propose. I believe I have a right to say this as a paying customer.


You certainly have the right to say anything you want.  But given this is a user community forum, I was asking whether you had something we  could actually help you with or not. 
 
If you just prefer to vent, that's up to you - but it sounds like Cakewalk is best placed to answer your quesiton (not users in a community forum), so maybe writing their support or customer service emails may be more productive to resolve your issue than venting on a user forum.


This user forum is from Cakewalk and is controlled by moderators. The company itself looks at what is posted. This site is for Cakewalk a lot of valuable information to see how their company stands. The feedback that they get is enormeus. I have posted mails everywhere and even called Boston from Holland for answers. I feel that this forum is for the company as well as the users. 


Yes, some Cakewalk people watch the forums when they can - but given they have jobs to do, they don't watch them all the time / everyday - they've stated this many times before.  It's highly unlikely you'll get a response from them on this forum.  But, as you say, you have the right to say whatever you want.  I'm gonna drop from the thread though given where it's heading.  Best of luck to ya - hope it gets sorted. 

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 11:54:02 (permalink)
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I have a very good feeling about Cake.
 
Nobody stood up and jumped around flappin' their arms and jaws about what was going on
but they have spoken, for those listening, that dealing with issues such as forum formatting changes that could be made would need to be addressed at a later time because they were very busy.
 
Cake has a history of doing some really great things and I think we're in for a treat...don't know when but no way I'm walking out in the middle of this show.
 


I sure would love you to be right!
 
;-)
 
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:04:58 (permalink)
I think they are waiting on Karl to finish the video.
 
I'm hoping that X3 has touch anything custom color choices, that actually work, and that each take lane will have layers, that actually work.
 
It is going to be awesome.
 
 
 
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:05:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby karma1959 2013/07/01 12:06:56
I have been a user of CW since PA6.
 
I don't find the lack of an update, or CW not letting us know one is coming, appalling at all.
 
Come on people! I have seen enough of these "No Update" and "The Bakers not talking to us!" threads that I am appalled that someone keeps starting ANOTHER ONE! Good God! Enough.
 
If you don't like the way things are going, get the f out! But just shut the f up already!
 
There I said. I know others have thought it.
 
[Grem shields himself from the ensuing flames!]

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:06:20 (permalink)
this is the same silence b4 roland kills any of their products. All those who have ad the VS machines know this feeling well.
I agree with a lot of what's been said here and find the lack of communication roun here very unprofessional.
If we all stop buy cakewalk products where would they be? You think you'd want to treat the ppl who support you just a little bit better.
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:12:57 (permalink)
I don't think it spells the death of Sonar. They put out a customer survey recently, and they also just announced some new Pro Channel modules. Doesn't sound like the actions of a company that's planning to retire a product. I think the big issue here is "will they fix X2 or release X3?" And to me the silence suggests that they're not going to release another patch. If they were, they would have hinted at it by now. Whereas a totally new release is something that they'd have to give themselves more time to get ready for. I don't think they'd say anything until they had the marketing blurb ready. Hence the silence. Just my $0.02. 

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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:19:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Skyline_UK 2013/07/01 12:41:10
It's not realistic to expect us to communicate about product plans, road maps, or business plans. I understand the frustration but don't take the silence as a sign of something bad. FWIW, this kind of speculation has been happening for over a decade. It's nothing new. We are all hard at work and when we have something we can discuss, we'll definitely communicate that to our customers via our website, emails, and forums. 
 
I do want to stress that anyone having serious issues should always contact Cakewalk support directly. We are happy to help out and often times a quick call can resolve an issue. 
 
 
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:20:59 (permalink)
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I have a very good feeling about Cake.
 
Nobody stood up and jumped around flappin' their arms and jaws about what was going on
but they have spoken, for those listening, that dealing with issues such as forum formatting changes that could be made would need to be addressed at a later time because they were very busy.
 
Cake has a history of doing some really great things and I think we're in for a treat...don't know when but no way I'm walking out in the middle of this show.
 


+1 here Spacey.
I have mentioned this in other threads and will say again here, after talking with Brandon at length a couple weeks ago at Gear Fest, I came away with a very positive vibe about the future of SONAR.
As for the lack of communication, well for as long as I've been around (V6 I believe), I have always thought the communication back from Cakewalk was bad.
Doesn't make it right, just makes it the way they have chosen to do business.
 
 
 
 
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Andrew Rossa
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:21:37 (permalink)
dahjah
this is the same silence b4 roland kills any of their products. All those who have ad the VS machines know this feeling well.
I agree with a lot of what's been said here and find the lack of communication roun here very unprofessional.
If we all stop buy cakewalk products where would they be? You think you'd want to treat the ppl who support you just a little bit better.




SONAR is not going anywhere. Remember this forum is designed for peer-to-peer communication. When we have time, we love to come in and discuss but that's not always possible.
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:21:57 (permalink)
Grem
I have been a user of CW since PA6.
 
I don't find the lack of an update, or CW not letting us know one is coming, appalling at all.
 
Come on people! I have seen enough of these "No Update" and "The Bakers not talking to us!" threads that I am appalled that someone keeps starting ANOTHER ONE! Good God! Enough.
 
If you don't like the way things are going, get the f out! But just shut the f up already!
 
There I said. I know others have thought it.
 
[Grem shields himself from the ensuing flames!]


I believe freedom of speech does applyhere. Since you are not God or some other entity , just don't click on the feed.
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Re: Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. 2013/07/01 12:29:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cowboydan 2013/07/01 12:43:38
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
It's not realistic to expect us to communicate about product plans, road maps, or business plans. I understand the frustration but don't take the silence as a sign of something bad. FWIW, this kind of speculation has been happening for over a decade. It's nothing new. We are all hard at work and when we have something we can discuss, we'll definitely communicate that to our customers via our website, emails, and forums. 
 
I do want to stress that anyone having serious issues should always contact Cakewalk support directly. We are happy to help out and often times a quick call can resolve an issue. 
 
 




I appreciate your post Andrew, but we're not looking for any top secret product plans or road maps. Just some info about whether or not X2 is going to be patched again would suffice. 

James
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