Jeff Evans


I am going to say something controversial now. The biggest problem with Sonar is the Windows operating system by far. Not the program but the OS. I am convinced Windows is crap and they will never get it right. And to all of you that think Windows 7 is going to be your savior forget it. It will just be more crap.

The reason that many many of us are having problems with Sonar is the Windows OS. The MAC operating system is just excellent and way way way better. This is the main reason it is the industry standard. And the programs that run on the MAC OS are usually very stable and reliable. The best thing that Cakewalk can do is rewrite Sonar for the MAC OS then you will have a real winner there. But it is probably too late. They have partenered up with the wrong OS. Running Sonar under bootcamp is not the solution either because you are still running Windows.

Logic 9 is spectacular and using it on a fast Mac just kills. Check out the varispeed options and the tools for moving things around and stretching time etc. Sonar really need to pull their finger out on this one and make this happen bigtime. Logic are the clear leader in this area. There are no issues. It all just works out of the box. The fact that Apple have aquired Emagic is good because they are making sure it all works. I love Sonar and I am going to stick to it because I am loyal too and I love the instruments and the sounds but it is a pity it has to run under Windows that is all I am saying.  And yes it runs OK for me and I have said that but you never know when it is going to do something stupid though. Strange behaviour, drivers doing weird things, things uninstalling etc. Most of this does not happen under the MAC OS. Once things are installed and setup they work forever.

I know quite a very professional people myself who have stuck to Windows as long as they can but in the end they gave up and bought a MAC. Wait till the i7 cores become standard in the MAC and see how that goes! I agree with the 64 bit thing though. That is important but the MAC OS will handle 64 bit and in time all the programs that run on it will be 64 bit as well.

IMHO Cakewalk really needs to decide whether they want to target the recording or the composing side of things, because otherwise they are trying to be all things to all people and this just tends to water down and bloat up the product eventually. Maybe it would be better to break up into separate packages aimed at the target market, and specific needs.

Your friend dosnt know what he's talking about plain and simple. If its mixed right you dont need to master the track .. LMFAO.

maybe for recording audio protools is standard, thats it.. Logic's sound engine has changed since ver 7 and many have been complaining so not mastering in logic or protoool seems like you'll never have a red book mix. for that fact radio play. 

 yeah the only thing about sonar is yes there on a pc..and there release of 8.0 was just a system killer but since 8.31 its rocking.. yeah professional studio use protools no dout, for hip hop R&B, country, pop, and yes its studio standard in most big studios.. but your buddy is hearing hear say.if he said no mastering is needed with a good mix down. why sonar isnt studio standard its on a pc. and for me I would say because 7 resources were bad , you needed a super computer to run it , 8 was great but 8.0 was a crash box .. so working in a studio with a client and your system freezes clicks pops, ect.. well for me I had an artist come in around feb of this year well the artist walked out cuz my system frooze up like 6 times during the recording, we were actully recording vocal takes and one of our best take frooze up right while she was singing, I was so pissed , she left I went right back on the fourms and went nuts on CW. 

BMOG


I had a conversation with a friend of mine today who has a production team and they are using Logic and Protools.  I was talking to him about finding and studio to Master a project for me.  He stated if you mix correctly you don't need to Master.  He asked me what I was using, I told him Sonar Producer 8 and he said man you have to get Logic or Protools on a Mac a PC cannot compare.  He said a PC can't compete, he said the samples that Logic has it in will remove the need for any instrument.  I told him I have been a Cakewalk person for years and I like it, he said the the Industry Standard is Protools and know other DAW can compare.  He said if you take a project done in Sonar to an agent he is not going to even want to hear it because it is not Protools. Depsite feeling small because everything I came back with to defend Sonar was shot down by what is considered Industry Standard.

How come we don't have more industry studios using Sonar?  The bigger question is how can we change this, I have read several forums on the difference of Logic vs Sonar and there will always be a debate, but the fact of the matter is Protools and Logic is what the Industry is using unless I am wrong.

How can we put Sonar on the Industry map?

yorolpal


What industry?

Jeff Evans


I am going to say something controversial now. The biggest problem with Sonar is the Windows operating system by far. Not the program but the OS. I am convinced Windows is crap and they will never get it right. And to all of you that think Windows 7 is going to be your savior forget it. It will just be more crap.

The reason that many many of us are having problems with Sonar is the Windows OS. The MAC operating system is just excellent and way way way better. This is the main reason it is the industry standard. And the programs that run on the MAC OS are usually very stable and reliable. The best thing that Cakewalk can do is rewrite Sonar for the MAC OS then you will have a real winner there. But it is probably too late. They have partenered up with the wrong OS. Running Sonar under bootcamp is not the solution either because you are still running Windows.

Logic 9 is spectacular and using it on a fast Mac just kills. Check out the varispeed options and the tools for moving things around and stretching time etc. Sonar really need to pull their finger out on this one and make this happen bigtime. Logic are the clear leader in this area. There are no issues. It all just works out of the box. The fact that Apple have aquired Emagic is good because they are making sure it all works. I love Sonar and I am going to stick to it because I am loyal too and I love the instruments and the sounds but it is a pity it has to run under Windows that is all I am saying.  And yes it runs OK for me and I have said that but you never know when it is going to do something stupid though. Strange behaviour, drivers doing weird things, things uninstalling etc. Most of this does not happen under the MAC OS. Once things are installed and setup they work forever.

I know quite a very professional people myself who have stuck to Windows as long as they can but in the end they gave up and bought a MAC. Wait till the i7 cores become standard in the MAC and see how that goes! I agree with the 64 bit thing though. That is important but the MAC OS will handle 64 bit and in time all the programs that run on it will be 64 bit as well.

bitflipper

and write Protools PTF format session files ..

Any DAW that could do that would be a hit. Unfortunately, they would also be sued out of existence by Digi, as the PT project file format is proprietary. Heck, Digi's trying to prevent Mackie from advertising a control surface as being PT-compatible because they only want people to use Digi's own hardware.

If you get RECORDING magazine, check out this month's article relating an experience trying to export a Cubase project to ProTools. They only managed it with the help of a Steinberg employee.