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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 09:59:28
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a PAT3000 emulator would be great (Polish A Turd)
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 10:09:46
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I vote for a dedicated de-esser with plenty of controls. Make it a linear phase de-esser.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 10:28:09
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a PAT3000 emulator would be great (Polish A Turd) +1 Add this to the TE 64 (Talent Emulation) and SONAR would be the bomb! 
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 11:12:42
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I don't understand ... we can insert any plugin we choose in the FX bin now. So why the need for all the "PC" modules?
Also - I'd like to see the PC completely detached from the FX bin because I keep having to click on the ProCh "tab" to get back to view the basic stuff like the VOLUME/PAN, etc. It's extra clicking I find unnecessary. Keybindings don't even work in some cases - depending where the 'focus' is.
Also - it'd be nice to have the Solo and Mute widgets accessible in the ProCH TAB.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 12:10:16
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I don't understand ... we can insert any plugin we choose in the FX bin now. So why the need for all the "PC" modules?
ba_midi, in my opinion, this is the direction Cakewalk is going to follow.. Lots of $49 Pro Channel options.. Not a bad business strategy!
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 12:31:43
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dlesaux
ba_midi
I don't understand ... we can insert any plugin we choose in the FX bin now. So why the need for all the "PC" modules?
ba_midi, in my opinion, this is the direction Cakewalk is going to follow.. Lots of $49 Pro Channel options.. Not a bad business strategy!
Oh I agree that this is a new paradigm for Cakewalk and it will continue; but my point was more about why some here seem to feel a need for the PC to get all these addons when we already have access to some of the finest plugins on the planet (via VSTs in the FX bin). But I also realize that questioning why people speculate is like asking why the sky is blue ;)
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 14:33:30
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 14:39:58
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But we're def. listening if there are some other modules that you're interesting in seeing.
Good to hear =) Limiter, Channel Tool and spectrum analyzer modules, in-line per track would be fantastic.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 14:42:21
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 15:13:15
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I vote for a dummy button and lots of jumping VU so you can tweak it everytime that irritating client leans over your shoulder and says, "ahh.. can we try to make XYZ a little more.." .. "How is that for you?".. "Oh, yeah, NOW I'm feeling it.."
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 15:26:02
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Jim Roseberry
An LA2A Compressor would be a good one for me... I use virtuals of this thing everywhere... ;-)
LA2A Compressor and Pultec EQ would be first on my "most wanted expansions" list. 
Both are extremely useful...
The LA2A would be a perfect complement to the existing 1176 and SSL Bus Comps.
Hi Jim... I see we think a bit alike... For console devices all I really would use are compressor/gate/eq/(tube/tape emulation)... Other plugins may as well be in the regular fx bin so that just as with the analog world, the console has the basics built in and the specialty stuff used as plugins... Of course, the addition of a selection of comp/gate/expand/eq/emulators Brings that in line with the new digital paradigm... I guess adding more available devices to the PC will not hurt anyone and one un-spoken feature of the PC I really like is that all the modules appear with some conformity alongside my tracks instead of covering them (Single-screen 19" monitor here)... So I can adjust my devices while still seeing my track data... Too bad we can't reverse the key focus of x-ray'd fx so that we could adjust the fx while they're faded enabling view of the tracks below.... Did I ever FR that? I'm sure I have a few times... ;-) Keni
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 15:35:16
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Rain
I'm not sure I get this, so I'm asking in all honesty - why would you guys want something that is, by any other name, a simple plug-in but locked into the PC?
Is it something about ease of use or is there any other advantage over regular plug-ins that I'm not seeing? On my end, having a dedicated GUI for the plug-in would seem preferable, but that's as an outsider.
It's not a big difference for most things, but as I mention in my previous post... I like that it opens along side of my tracks instead of on top of them... I'm only a single 19" monitor here... ...and if the plugins are good as I am finding the current modules to be, they are quickly becoming goto devices for me. It's all about flavors and subleties with using different comp/eq.... For me I've always enjoyed either Neve or Roger Mayer eq's and UREI compressors so they're goto for me in the analog world. Having reasonable emulations of them does very well for me so adding a few more flavors of comp/eq/tube emulation/tape emulation is great for me... As I have so often used so many Teletronics LA2A's and Pultec EQP's with wonderful results, I would love to have them as part of the selection... But even left the way it is, I'm very pleased the 1176LN was my other goto... So across the board they'd very likely be used all the time... Again I'm speaking of the things I use most constantly across my board... I'm really voting for a PC wrapper to wrap my choice of vst so that I can use it in the PC.... But I won't throw away any good devices they decide to throw in... ;-) Keni
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 15:41:00
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yes...I use reverb on individual channels for sure... but most of the time on busses, probably like most.
I'd think something that "cleans up" the signal AFTER the tube saturation would be good. Something that takes out the distortion, and cleans up the sound. :-D
Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
I'm not sure this is what you were referring to, But I've been dropping hints everywhere for someone to do the "impossible"...
Create a plugin that can un-do clipping! ;-)
Wouldn't that be handy? ;-)
Keni
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Thanks for that link... Very impressive... I wonder how far it can go? The math seemed possible as the slope of the wav should describe it's typical extension.... ? I thought about this as (among other things) a friend recently sent me a very severely clipped recording of a live performance and I told him I had no way to un-distort it.... Maybe I'll get the suite one day when I have money...? Thanks again... Keni
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 15:49:36
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chilldanny
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But we're def. listening if there are some other modules that you're interesting in seeing.
Good to hear =)
Limiter, Channel Tool and spectrum analyzer modules, in-line per track would be fantastic.
+1 on the spectrum analyzer. That would be nice on a per track basis.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 15:50:40
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Willy Jones [Cakewalk
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Well the 'answer' is the PC4K S-Type Channel Strip Compressor. This way you can get an entire PC4K channel strip for your tracks and it's a nice complement for the PC4K Bus Compressor. (http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/X1-Producer/feature.aspx/ProChannel-Expanded)
But we're def. listening if there are some other modules that you're interesting in seeing.
Thanks for that Willy... I see the reasoning, but I must say that for me, those strip compressors were not used often... They were good to have avialable for something quick and "dirty", but I would almost always opt to use something else.... But that's my preferences, not a stab at quality or any such.... Just my taste... I'd really much rather have an LA2A more often... Pultec eq's anybody? Character of delight for so many.... I'm sure we all have our favorites for many reasons.... so I think that the next (after the announced channel strip) should be a PC wrapper so that everyone can add their' favorite vst's to PC.... Might be a big task to write, but probably solve a lot of disputes! ;-) Keni
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 16:14:05
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I see we think a bit alike...  Compressor wise, give me an 1176 (aggressive), LA2A (smooth), and SSL Bus Comp (drum subs). As for EQ, I like a channel-strip type full-feature EQ (a la SSL)... then give me a Pultec for specific tweaks. For basic mixing tasks, this covers all the bases well. You can get smooth vocals, aggressive (but not overly squashed) drums, aggressive or smooth guitar/bass, etc. It's the perfect combination of fundamental tools IMO. As for why I'd like these modules in the Pro Channel (LA2A and Pultec EQ)... Well... these (and the SSL bundle and 1176) are my fundamental mix tools of choice. If I can have functional (features/sound) equivalents to the best 3rd party offerings available, I'll take it. I'm not crazy about WUP/etc. If my work process (or installs/etc) can be streamlined, that saves me time. For folks who haven't invested in a large collection of plugins, it a relatively inexpensive way to "cherry-pick" a small handful of great tools. If the new models are high-quality, the demand will be there. If not, well... (just my opinion), the world doesn't really need another mediocre compressor or EQ plugin.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 16:33:02
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Jim... +100
Pretty much covers all the basic needs.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 16:39:36
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My vote goes to a PC-version of the Channel Tools.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 17:06:38
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My vote goes to a PC-version of the Channel Tools. That would certainly be useful. Perhaps that could be low-cost or free. ???
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 17:12:30
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+1 to a spectrum analyzer
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 19:00:00
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This is embarrassing but what is the difference between a buss compressor and a strip compressor?
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 19:41:55
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This is embarrassing but what is the difference between a buss compressor and a strip compressor?
Thanks
Hi Maximumpower, Well, in analog-land the biggest difference that I'm aware of was a strip compressor was mono and a bus compressor was stereo (along with some kind of capability to match settings between/link the two channels). In digital recreations that distinction more-or-less goes away and we're probably talking about different controls and capabilities. In the SSL lineup of hardware the differences (besides stereo/mono) are mostly that the strip comp can be more aggressive....harder knee and a limiter function. The bus comp also has a few more controls...e.g. make up gain and auto-release. There may be some small sonic differences, but for SSL they're both VCA comps so the differences are probably going to be fairly small. Dean
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 19:42:35
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 19:44:28
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This is embarrassing but what is the difference between a buss compressor and a strip compressor?
Thanks
A Bus compressor is tweaked to work particularly well when compressing subgroups (applied on a bus). The SSL Bus compressor is particularly nice on a drum subgroup... where it compresses the kit as a whole. Adds a nice tight/aggressive character... without sounding overly squashed on the cymbals. Depending on what you're after, the SSL Bus compressor can also work well applied to individual channels. I've used it to compress bass tracks.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 20:02:24
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Well well, I guess that X1 Expanded is now officially a HIT..
Just look at all the request for modules..
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 20:38:17
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Does anybody know if 3rd parties can develop Pro Channel Modules?
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 20:52:46
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maximumpower
This is embarrassing but what is the difference between a buss compressor and a strip compressor?
Thanks
A Bus compressor is tweaked to work particularly well when compressing subgroups (applied on a bus).
The SSL Bus compressor is particularly nice on a drum subgroup... where it compresses the kit as a whole.
Adds a nice tight/aggressive character... without sounding overly squashed on the cymbals.
Depending on what you're after, the SSL Bus compressor can also work well applied to individual channels.
I've used it to compress bass tracks.
I'd like to elaborate.... The term Bus Compressor, in this context, refers to a compressor made expressly for a stereo bus. There are lots and lots of consoles with mono buses... but you rarely, or never, hear any one call a compressor patched on a mono bus a "bus compressor". The term bus compressor, in the case of the SSL refers to a stereo bus on which a compressor is inserted. Compressors made for stereo circuits typically have linked response... so that the compression doesn't react on either track in such a way that it will undermine the panning balance that you have set up in your mix. If the compressor doesn't have linked response than the sense of stereo imaging will move side to side as one, or the other, compressor kicks in and reduces the levels before the other does, or does not. The SSL 4k console series helped define the sound of modern rock drums... some of my least favorite sounding drum tones. :-)... and I think it's fair to say that it's popularity helped to establish the term "bus compressor"... because prior to the SSL's popularity people would often times just hook up two compressors and use the stereo link and simply call them compressors. There are a few two channel in one box, compressors that preceded the 4k... and perhaps someone also called them bus compressors... but I don't recall ever hearing the term until someone purposefully built one into a bus. all the best, mike
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 20:53:41
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Actually what I'd like to see is a signal splitter. A module that lets you send out signal to a bus for different processing...so you can do real parallel processing.
The module would also be reversible, so you can receive signal back in. My big peeve about the wet/dry compression is that when I parallel compress I always add additional processing. Usually just separate EQ, but something. If I could add a few signal splitters and returns to the Pro Channel I could build a serious processing chain all within a track and bus.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 20:55:35
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You mean like actual routing improvements in SONAR?
Wow.
Great idea.
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Re:What Module Will Cakewalk Release Next for the Pro Channel?
2011/10/10 21:34:01
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ba_midi, in my opinion, this is the direction Cakewalk is going to follow.. Lots of $49 Pro Channel options.. Not a bad business strategy!
Is that a good thing for the customer though? I must be old-fashioned or something I thought a good business strategy was to do with providing high quality, great value for money, efficient service and giving the customer positive association with a brand that represents those kinds of things. Hoping that people will be dumb enough to keep parting $50 a time for a proprietary 'lock-in' to a current gimmick may sound like a good business strategy but I cant see who it's good for. Bring back Beatscape I say. Isn't this like saying Sonar sounds great because Cakewalk are better at fleecing its customers than the competition? Here I just don't get where I as consumer should be celebrating a vendors 'good business strategy'. Personally it makes me cringe. Never mind PC modules, I'd like to see multi-parameter support on FX chains 2 so I can utilize my current investment in standard VST technology in many more creative ways, including creating a leopard skin print de-esser combi comprising of my favourite eq and compressor for example. Better still knock PC out together and let me build my own console strip out of the VST's I already have and have it available in the same way as PC is on every track. Now that would make me get all Expanded. In all honesty it doesn't sound like strategy at all PC and FX Chains 2 seems like two ideas running concurrently because nobody was confident enough about which route to take. I also wonder sometimes about whether the current PC modules, those initally included with X1 as well, would have recieved the rave reviews across the industry as they have here at home had they been released as standard VST's and put on general sale.
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