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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 17:54:43
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Windows 7 changes a lot of underlying subsystems from how they worked in XP. This includes audio, video, and disk handling -- three areas that definitely affect DAW performance. Also Windows 7 is more stable in general, bogs down less often, and handles fault conditions more gracefully -- three things that affect *all* programs, including DAWs.
Your implication here is that only Windows 7 can handle the resource load of a "modern DAW app" when compared to XP, Nope, that wasn't my implication. But good work putting so much effort into an angry post based on flawed assumptions of what I actually said.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 19:54:44
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vintagevibe
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I have some Sonar projects that have Sonarprd.exe using 2.5 GB. I think you can see my personal need for X64.
Sorry ... but no I can't see your need for x64? You have an entire GB to go before you would have to start freezing some tracks if you only had 4GB (3.5GB Usable)??
Now, when Sonar starts loading everything in to memory (tracks, all synths, etc) then hell ya, I'll sell my car to load this puppy up with 192GB of RAM. 
You may not be able to see it but x64 will help immensely. Don't forget the OS needs RAM to. When you are cutting it that close you will never get smooth, reliable results. If you are serious about using large sample libraries that create 2.5GB projects it is simply foolish to stay with 32bit. That's just the way it is.
Yep, I just said that but leave bub alone, he is right too, for those of us who are not using Halion or somthing along those lines 32 bit is just fine. Ok lets just stop muddying the waters, for those who are at the begining of their recording careers. If you have just started and you have whatever version of Sonar, 32 bit will be just fine. If we are going to build a digital orchestra, then we're going to need 64 bit computing full stop. What would make this argument interesting would be if VST 4 was around the corner and miraculously VST4 could unload and reload samples as the instrument needed it. (ignore this last post, if this is your first time here, you have no idea what 32 bit or 64 bit or indeed VST 3 or 4) Just make music!!! Peace
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 20:15:04
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John
I like Vista. I am not going to say otherwise because that would be a lie. +1 I am running Vista 64 and, for me at least, its far better that XP ever was. I feel no compelling reason to move to Win 7 from my very stable system at the moment.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 20:37:50
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vintagevibe
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I have some Sonar projects that have Sonarprd.exe using 2.5 GB. I think you can see my personal need for X64.
Sorry ... but no I can't see your need for x64? You have an entire GB to go before you would have to start freezing some tracks if you only had 4GB (3.5GB Usable)??
Now, when Sonar starts loading everything in to memory (tracks, all synths, etc) then hell ya, I'll sell my car to load this puppy up with 192GB of RAM.
You may not be able to see it but x64 will help immensely. Don't forget the OS needs RAM to. When you are cutting it that close you will never get smooth, reliable results. If you are serious about using large sample libraries that create 2.5GB projects it is simply foolish to stay with 32bit. That's just the way it is.
Why? If you're not anywhere near the 4GB 32bit limit, why is it foolish? If you have projects that consistently require more than 4GB RAM, and it makes you feel better having more than 4GB, by all means, go for x64. I was running Windows 7 x64 w/8GB RAM on an i5 Quad Core and still had to freeze synths and tracks with plugs due to latency problems long before my RAM became even a 1/4 full. So, until more powerful processors come out that allow me to run over 4GB with no latency ... IMHO ... there is absolutely no need for more RAM if I'm having to freeze anyway.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 20:39:28
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John
I like Vista. I am not going to say otherwise because that would be a lie.
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I am running Vista 64 and, for me at least, its far better that XP ever was. I feel no compelling reason to move to Win 7 from my very stable system at the moment.
Yup said that too, Vista is fine as long as you have the memory to handle it, otherwise a dogs breakfast, also remember you still have to configure Vista, the one thing that makes 7 the bomb any moron can make music from the get go, so for the first time ever Mac's cannot claim this one over PC's. Peace
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 22:15:11
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Windows 7 changes a lot of underlying subsystems from how they worked in XP. This includes audio, video, and disk handling -- three areas that definitely affect DAW performance. Also Windows 7 is more stable in general, bogs down less often, and handles fault conditions more gracefully -- three things that affect *all* programs, including DAWs.
Your implication here is that only Windows 7 can handle the resource load of a "modern DAW app" when compared to XP, Nope, that wasn't my implication. But good work putting so much effort into an angry post based on flawed assumptions of what I actually said.
My flawed assumptions can only be based on your flawed assumptions about Win7 performance vs. XP performance: So while Sonar still technically supports XP, it is most likely going to run better in Win7, because *most* modern apps are going to run better in Win7.
There is no magical switch in Win7 that enables some ethereal quantum computing space-time portal, which is simply missing from XP. Like the same app on the same hardware will see orders of magnitude performance increases just by switching from XP to Win7. All of these generic "X1 runs better on Win7 because Win7 is just plain better" posts ignore the basic underlying fact: SONAR X1 was designed specifically to run on Win7.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 22:35:10
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Um, that 3.5GB is not usable for 1 application Bub; there is a /3GB switch you can use (not sure if X1 supports it). In the 32-bit Windows world, each application has its own “virtual” 4GB memory space. (This means that each application functions as if it has a flat 4GB of memory, and the system's memory manager keeps track of memory mapping, which applications are using which memory, page file management, and so on.)
This 4GB space is evenly divided into two parts, with 2GB dedicated for kernel usage, and 2GB left for application usage. Each application gets its own 2GB, but all applications have to share the same 2GB kernel space.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 23:32:10
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Why? If you're not anywhere near the 4GB 32bit limit, why is it foolish?
You can't access 4 gigs of RAM on a 32bit OS. You can get 3.25 - 3.50 GB max. Then you have to subtract what the OS uses. There are other things involved that I don't have time to explain now but your understanding of this is flawed.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 23:32:46
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I always thought that in XP 32 bit the first allocation of your limited (even with the "three gig switch thrown) memory went to hardware/video usage and what was left over was allocated as needed (or possible) to any program that might be running. That's the main reason Omnisphere is such a hog. 1.5 gigs is barely enough to run it. Or am I mistaken.
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/16 23:57:06
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FWIW, the Avid website still specifically advises that you strip Win7 down if you want to make best use of their products... and they have some terrific and extremely detailed videos showing how to do it in the "Customer Success" section.
Like what? Turning off Aero and setting your machine to not use Power Management? That's pretty basic stuff that can apply to all machines. They also have tips for OSX that are similar. Frankly I've never had to turn off Aero and I think it's bad advice unless you have a really crappy video card. The other things like DEP seem to be problems PT has that other DAW's don't suffer from. DAE errors aren't something you'll see with SONAR.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 00:04:13
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John psst, do yourself a favour and stop mentioning Vista, even it's developers put a bullet through it's head.
Just 'cause you chose it at one point doesn't change the fact it was a turkey.
Vista SP2 is VERY similar to WIn7. I actually have a machine that runs it and it works just fine.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 00:07:16
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In my opinion, the only compelling reasons to switch from XP to Win7-64 are:
- You need more than 3.5 GB memory for your projects;
- You want more CPU grunt and you have to upgrade your DAW hardware
My XP-32 DAW was rock solid and had lower latency with Delta-66 WDM drivers than my Win7-64 DAW with Echo Layla 3G ASIO drivers, to the point where I seriously started regretting the upgrade. Eventually things settled down but I can't honestly say I am more productive now than I was then. (But then, I didn't have RAM or CPU grunt constraints either).
On the SONAR front, again IMO there is NO compelling reason to switch from 8.5.3 to X1.
As always, your mileage may vary. Generalized statements about OS or RAM just don't apply in this business.
All I know is that if you gave me a 32-bit XP system running 8.5 and a 64-bit Win7 system running X1 - I know which one I'd choose. No contest.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 00:13:27
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Bub
The only thing I will comment on that I've read here is the crazy notion that you don't have to tweak Windows 7. There's volumes written on how to tweak Windows 7, just like there were written on Windows XP. That's just crazy to say something like that.
But you don't really need to tweak it - not to the extent you'd need to tweak XP or Vista. It runs way less services out of the box and takes up less of a RAM footprint. I don't do much of anything to Win7 systems other than deal with core parking (if necessary) and adjust power management settings, update frequency, etc.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 00:17:49
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Bub
So, until more powerful processors come out that allow me to run over 4GB with no latency ... IMHO ... there is absolutely no need for more RAM if I'm having to freeze anyway.
They're here.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 00:20:48
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mike_mccue
FWIW, the Avid website still specifically advises that you strip Win7 down if you want to make best use of their products... and they have some terrific and extremely detailed videos showing how to do it in the "Customer Success" section.
Like what? Turning off Aero and setting your machine to not use Power Management? That's pretty basic stuff that can apply to all machines. They also have tips for OSX that are similar.
Frankly I've never had to turn off Aero and I think it's bad advice unless you have a really crappy video card. The other things like DEP seem to be problems PT has that other DAW's don't suffer from. DAE errors aren't something you'll see with SONAR.
For once Brandon you and I are in agreement, As I have stated the only configuring I had to do with windows 7 was turn some automatic updates off and some starts with windows program and guess what it works. I don't know what you and windows have done to make this happen but good stuff, ok this is with 8.5, still haven't tried X1, Brandon can you please work out with your partners, a work around so we can have a leagacy UI and whilst your at it, individual midi note editing like they have in Cubase. If you do this I will upgrade. But this topic has become a little silly, Windows Seven is the best operating system Microsoft have put out, I can see and agree that X1 has been designed for W7, as I have stated XP was an amalgam of 98 and 2000, and since then the computer landscape has changed and so if you just keep on adding the bits and peices onto an already old peice of software then it is going to collapse sooner or later. As for all this other nonsence about memory, look I run some pretty intensive sample based projects, and the audio snap pallate and V-Vocal and somtimes 40 tracks of cut up audio, then there is the effects, and the other day I was telling people to use GR4 and Sonar side by side, so you could hear GR as you played and recorded at the same time and guess what 4 gigs of ram, no real latency problems. UNLESS YOU RUN A SMAPLE BASED ORCHESTRA you will survive on 4 gigs of ram, for now!!! Finally Brandon, I have been one of the biggest vocal opponents to X1 but you know what I am over the moaning and complaing, give me a free update, I will see if it runs straight out of the box/download, if it does, then I will happily trumpet to all those who are having a problem, that they are the problem, you must surely not have put out a product that was this defective. I am starting to just not believe it. I have the credtials, am happy to syrvey your program and see if it really does have as many bugs as people are making out. On saying this, to expect a perfect product would mean in some way we are perfect, because everything we do or create is just a copy of you and me, bit like the whole "in his image" crap. Worth a try Ben
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 00:23:35
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It's funny - over the years I've seen this debate over and over.
1) We don't need a visual UI - DOS works just fine.
2) We don't need Win95 - a 16bit OS works just fine. Screw long file names!
2) We don't need XP - Win95 is just fine.
3) We don't need 64-bit or Win7 - a 32-bit OS is just fine.
And so it goes...
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 00:25:49
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Why? If you're not anywhere near the 4GB 32bit limit, why is it foolish?
You can't access 4 gigs of RAM on a 32bit OS. You can get 3.25 - 3.50 GB max. Then you have to subtract what the OS uses. There are other things involved that I don't have time to explain now but your understanding of this is flawed.
Right. And what's happens when the OS gets RAM starved? It starts using virtual memory. And nobody wants that on their DAW if they can help it.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 01:42:33
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hard to to believe we're *still* debating the merits of Win7 vs XP ...
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 02:05:53
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Bub
So, until more powerful processors come out that allow me to run over 4GB with no latency ... IMHO ... there is absolutely no need for more RAM if I'm having to freeze anyway.
They're here.
Maybe my projects are more complex than I realize then. All I can say is, I have some projects with 35 tracks, 6 instances of Guitar Rig Pro 4, 4 instances of Dim Pro, 2 of Kontakt 5, reverb on a bus-send, and the Pro Channel on a bunch of tracks, and I have to start freezing long before I get halfway to the stuff I just listed otherwise the latency is too bad to do any kind of recording. Should I be able to run my audio card at 128 samples (the lowest it will go) and expect less than 6ms latency (which is about all I can tolerate :)) with the stuff I just listed above on an i5 quad 2.67GHz w/4GB RAM without any tracks frozen? And would having more than 4GB (which is what I have now) help that latency problem? I had 8GB at one time and saw no difference, but to be honest it was bad RAM, that's why I returned it. Maybe I don't have it set up right if so, or I have a hardware problem? I'm open to that. I don't mind freezing tracks because I don't like seeing my CPU getting pushed to 30/40/50%. I like to keep it around 10 ~ 20% which I am well within when I freeze.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 02:13:13
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Bub
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Bub
So, until more powerful processors come out that allow me to run over 4GB with no latency ... IMHO ... there is absolutely no need for more RAM if I'm having to freeze anyway.
They're here.
Maybe my projects are more complex than I realize then.
All I can say is, I have some projects with 35 tracks, 6 instances of Guitar Rig Pro 4, 4 instances of Dim Pro, 2 of Kontakt 5, reverb on a bus-send, and the Pro Channel on a bunch of tracks, and I have to start freezing long before I get halfway to the stuff I just listed otherwise the latency is too bad to do any kind of recording.
Should I be able to run my audio card at 128 samples (the lowest it will go) and expect less than 6ms latency (which is about all I can tolerate :)) with the stuff I just listed above on an i5 quad 2.67GHz w/4GB RAM without any tracks frozen? And would having more than 4GB (which is what I have now) help that latency problem? I had 8GB at one time and saw no difference, but to be honest it was bad RAM, that's why I returned it. Maybe I don't have it set up right if so, or I have a hardware problem? I'm open to that.
I don't mind freezing tracks because I don't like seeing my CPU getting pushed to 30/40/50%. I like to keep it around 10 ~ 20% which I am well within when I freeze.
I guess I was saying that they are available, not so much that you are currently in possession of one.  i5 is a great choice in DAW and I guess anecdotally it sounds about right, but I don't know - it seems like you should be able to do all this at lower latency. I wonder if some of the reason you can't go lower in latency is your audio device - what is it btw? I can tell you that on my i7 I could surely run all that at 96 samples. I used a Sandy Bridge machine last weekend that could do it at 1.1ms. This is with VS-700R/Octa/Quad Capture. ...and you're right - freezing tracks isn't always a bad thing. As you've pointed out it kind of future-proofs the tracks and does keep CPU low. there can also be creative reasons as SONAR renders a physical audio track. What I do sometimes is actually keep frozen and n-frozen versions of the project - for archive purposes.
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2011/08/17 02:15:26
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 02:19:17
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hard to to believe we're *still* debating the merits of Win7 vs XP ...
Well ... this started in another thread. A guy was having problems with his XP based DAW but didn't want to upgrade to Windows 7 until he updated his entire PC, which seemed 100% logical to me. He was happily running XP which caused blood pressures to boil, jugular veins to become engorged, and heads to explode, and ultimately resulted in the spilling over of one thread to another. But a good time has been had by all ... so far.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 02:23:40
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]
I wonder if some of the reason you can't go lower in latency is your audio device - what is it btw?
It's an M-Audio Fast Track Ultra. They did have 64 sample support, but removed it with the last driver update. Although, when I did have the old driver installed, I was never able to use 64 samples. It would crash every time. Jim Roseberry has had very good luck with 64 samples on a FTU, so I know it can work. 1.1ms, I couldn't imagine that. Wow.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 03:01:05
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Haha, I've really enjoyed reading this thread! :) Here's my take for what it's worth. I've had 4 machines with XP. 3 are still alive and working well. I've really never had any issues with that OS at all. Quite a few crashes and illegal operations...only one blue screen in all my years. That said...I had a Sweetwater box for about 6 years or so before lightning took it out. It was a great box...4 gig of RAM, Dual core 3.4's I believe. But like Bub, I had to freeze all the time and to be honest, it really got on my nerves. The freezing was pretty fast, but it would depend WHAT I was freezing. And I soo hated unfreezing to make my tweaks and then re-freeze once more. But that said, to me, XP was the best OS I had ever used. I got a laptop and another desk top with Vista on it. I heard nothing but problems from other people. I did have a few issues with the initial release, but by the time SP2 came out, I had it working perfectly for me and those machines are alive and still working for me today. A few little crashes here and there, but nothing like the ones I got in XP. However, most of my XP crashes were user oriented. Especially in Sonar 5-8.5. I knew what I could and couldn't do while the audio was playing back etc. I did do quite a few tweaks from Black Viper's site just to try them out. They helped quite a bit and I was able to get all my XP boxes to boot up with 23 running processes that were necessities. When the Sweetwater box died, I took the plunge and had Jim Roseberry build me a super recording box. Best money I ever spent...seriously. Using Sonar 32 bit anything....I have yet to freeze anything....and trust me, I have some sick projects running loads of stuff. In Sonar 64, the thing laughs at everything I throw at it. Now keep in mind, I use a mixing console so my normal latency is at 85ms because I set my buffers to 4096 for mixing and plugs. I have yet to get Sonar over 42% with a large project running full bore with no freezing. In 64 at the 4096 setting, it's like nothing is even loaded up. When I do have to use lower latency for softsynths in real time, I get down to 1.3 ms when using my old layla cards, and 1.1 with my RME FF 800 at 24/48. Let me try something.....*switches pc via KVM* Woah....I can actually get down to 32 buffers at 0.7ms and record without a problem in X1c 32 bit. As a matter of fact, just for the heck of it, I just ran that Cori Yarckin demo project at 32 buffers without a single drop out, spit, sputter or pause. Wow...I didn't think I could run a full project at that setting. That's definitely impressive! Ok, all well and good...but the question remains, if I had this motherboard and cpu in XP, would I be able to get the same results? This is what Mike is after I believe. Is it really the OS helping or the new stuff driving the bus? I'm sure it's a bit of both...but unless I install XP on my recording rig, there is no way I can say for sure. That said, I would like to consider myself a semi-advanced pc user. I've never had a bad OS really. They have all worked for me. I have not had any issues with any recording programs or anything not being able to work right other than when a program is flawed and there is evidence from others that it is flawed. I think if something works well for us, in the age of computers, we like to stick with it. I know I sure felt that way with Windows 98 Se back in the day. Everyone was switching, having all sorts of problems and lil Danny D's Win 98 SE box with a pentium 550 and 128 mb of RAM was always kicking....and is STILL alive to this day with Sonar 2.2 on it. LMAO! It worked...still works....XP worked well for me...still works on my machines that have it....Vista works for me...Win 7 is to me, by far the best though. It never crashes or gives me illegal ops or blue screens and it seems like I can just do a million things at once on it never thinking for a second it will crash. I could never do that with Win 98 or XP. Vista and Win 7....they just take whatever I throw at them and have never let me down so far. :) -Danny
post edited by Danny Danzi - 2011/08/17 03:04:49
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 04:47:51
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Frankly I've never had to turn off Aero and I think it's bad advice unless you have a really crappy video card. The other things like DEP seem to be problems PT has that other DAW's don't suffer from. DAE errors aren't something you'll see with SONAR.
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 04:48:45
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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It's funny - over the years I've seen this debate over and over.
1) We don't need a visual UI - DOS works just fine.
2) We don't need Win95 - a 16bit OS works just fine. Screw long file names!
2) We don't need XP - Win95 is just fine.
3) We don't need 64-bit or Win7 - a 32-bit OS is just fine.
And so it goes...
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 07:01:41
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So Brandon, do I get my free update, look I am sick of this argument, I believe that Sonar x1 8.5 have no problems (ok this is off topic and off the op) it's people's machine and lack of knowledge. If, as I say I can make X1 work straight up I will report it, I wont mention GUI or useability, all I will coment on is stability.
You and I have our disagreements but, lets fix this stability issue. If I can run a complex mix like Now and Then without any trouble in X1 I will report the truth. This will be on a generic HP i5 laptop with 4gig, if I can run Now and Then with no hassles, I will trumpet X1 far and wide. As I say no mention of the GUI, my only real gripe with X1.
Lets fix this issue of compatibility and stability in one hit, my creditials, even though can and will be laughed at still carry weight. I can be unbiased, and who better to test your program than somebody who is an academic, that has been with your company since 2002.
Peace and here's wishing Ben BCT MMUSTECH
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 07:09:58
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BenMMusTech, are you saying you don't own X1 yet?
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 07:15:47
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No, it does nothing for me, 8.5 is perfect!!!, I was going to say though if you give me a free upgrade, I will run it through a an XP machine with Creamware cards, I know this will crash it!!!. The technology's will clash but this is my point, Brandon and I don't get on, I have called myself a troll and so has Brandon, although this was under another name, I have never used multiple accounts to benifit me, though. I will though help in dispelling all this crap, either Sonar x1 is the same as 8.5 except with a new interface (my problem) and it will work just the same as 8.5 on my machine or it won't. As I say I will be unbisased and only coment on stability.
So are you going to howl me down FBB, all I am trying to do is understand my instrument and in this case SONAR.
Peace Ben
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 07:17:50
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BTW Brandon, if you can arrange delivery of a free Roland VS-700 studio with all the whistles & bells, I'm sure I can manage to come on here and say how great it is.  Now how's that for an offer......  combine that with BenMMustech's offer and that has to be a once in a lifetime deal surely? I'm not leaving that offer on the table for long though....
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Re:What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?
2011/08/17 07:21:02
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Yeah, Cakewalk need to start meeting their customers half way on this stuff. Hook me up with a helicopter ride around the statue of liberty with Sandra Bullock, and as soon as I get back, I promise I'll come on here and tell you your software sucks. I swear, I'll do this as quickly as possible, you can count on me.
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