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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 22:33:18 (permalink)
Thanks Brandon, here are the files. No digs on the guitar playing, it was after work, I was tired, the sun was in my eyes and my shoes were untied.

http://soundcloud.com/phil-grabmiller/sets/la2a-comparison-tracks-1
Results are something like this.
 
Mid to hi the PC2A is closer to the hardware.
Low end the UAD is closer to the hardware.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 22:41:11 (permalink)
so if you put both you have the hardware right ?....;)

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 22:50:41 (permalink)
Im really impressed NOW,The waves/UAD versions are both $150!!,and the N.I. version $229!!![but of course,I jumped the gun and didn't realize that was for the whole "Vintage Combo"-facepalm] 

This cakewalk version is a steal![not feeling so confused about being in the hole with BFD2 now] I totally get Danny D's exhaustive explanation of the intricacies of why BFD is the way it is[thanks man!]it's just I'm getting along So Well with SSD4,I should ave left it at that. 

I just hope I can maintain self control,I don't need ANY more tools really.
It's perfectly good talking to myself,as well,too.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 22:52:54 (permalink)
Zo,
 
You would be twice as close to the hardware. Exactly how far away that is, only your ears can tell.
 
Soundcloud really messes with the files I should state. The noise at the beginning of the files does not exist on the originals.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:01:41 (permalink)
i find the tone really didffrent with the harware and the two plugins .....

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:03:05 (permalink)
It's worth noting that probably no two vintage LA2A hardware units sound exactly the same. So it really depends on the unit used to model.

This goes for lots of hand wired analog hardware - not just LA2As.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:15:54 (permalink)
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It's worth noting that probably no two vintage LA2A hardware units sound exactly the same. So it really depends on the unit used to model.

This goes for lots of hand wired analog hardware - not just LA2As.

Just like old Marshalls,some sound great...others,doesn't  matter what,they just don't have it.


Has the implementation of the PC2A been in the works for some time,or is it a new idea?


It's just,even though I'm new to recording[previously let the the pros do it] The LA2A "Thing" would be one of the Fiirst things I would try to integrate into a daw,to make it wanted over "ALL" the others, regards Bob.
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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:20:46 (permalink)
Brandon, yes that is true. Here is some background.

This hardware unit is an LA2A made April of 2004 which is a reissue. You would definitely get a different tone from older units. Another point is that all of the compressors were set for 3db of gain reduction which in reality could vary highly in their results. I had to dig in deeper on the knobs of the plug ins to get a similar response.

The file was recorded through an Oktava 012 into a Portico preamp into the LA2A then to Lynx converters to Sonar X1D.
The plugins used a 2nd pass directly from the Portico but use the same original file. Guitar was a thin body Alvarez because I spent all my money on the compressor and can't afford a Taylor like Razorwit :p

I think the PC2A stands up well against the UAD and for the price is an extreme value.  

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:22:04 (permalink)
Thanks for taking the time to post this btw!

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:35:21 (permalink)
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Thanks Brandon, here are the files. No digs on the guitar playing, it was after work, I was tired, the sun was in my eyes and my shoes were untied.

http://soundcloud.com/phil-grabmiller/sets/la2a-comparison-tracks-1
Results are something like this.
 
Mid to hi the PC2A is closer to the hardware.
Low end the UAD is closer to the hardware.

Again I maybe,but the First file[HW] sounds the best IMO.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:38:35 (permalink)
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Again I maybe,but the First file[HW] sounds the best IMO.
The question you have to ask yourself is.....is it $2,000 better?


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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:48:40 (permalink)
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Again I maybe,but the First file[HW] sounds the best IMO.
The question you have to ask yourself is.....is it $2,000 better?

For myself... Definitely NOT,as I hope to think that with the right amount of tweaking[unfortunately not by myself....yet] its possible to duplicate with the PC2A.


Nice sounding guitar on ALL files really.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/22 23:57:22 (permalink)
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Brandon, yes that is true. Here is some background.

This hardware unit is an LA2A made April of 2004 which is a reissue. You would definitely get a different tone from older units. Another point is that all of the compressors were set for 3db of gain reduction which in reality could vary highly in their results. I had to dig in deeper on the knobs of the plug ins to get a similar response.

The file was recorded through an Oktava 012 into a Portico preamp into the LA2A then to Lynx converters to Sonar X1D.
The plugins used a 2nd pass directly from the Portico but use the same original file. Guitar was a thin body Alvarez because I spent all my money on the compressor and can't afford a Taylor like Razorwit :p

I think the PC2A stands up well against the UAD and for the price is an extreme value.  

That's OK Middle, I can't afford an LA2A :) Wait, I have the solution.  You bring your LA2A to my Taylor! We'll be rich, rich I say! 


FWIW, I quite like the PC2A as well, and I think it compares well against my other emulations and hardware....tho like Middle, I like my hardware a bit more as a rule. The 7802 has a variable drive circuit that is one of my favorite things about it. But I've been playing a bit with the PC2A on vox and I'm liking it more and more. 

Now I really have to stop buying LA2A emulations. Gotta start saving up for the real hardware.  Or another distressor.  Or more 500-series gear.  Or....

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:00:20 (permalink)
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Thanks Brandon, here are the files. No digs on the guitar playing, it was after work, I was tired, the sun was in my eyes and my shoes were untied.

http://soundcloud.com/phil-grabmiller/sets/la2a-comparison-tracks-1
Results are something like this.
 
Mid to hi the PC2A is closer to the hardware.
Low end the UAD is closer to the hardware.


Well...to my old ears the original LA2A has a rich, warm yet very defined sound.  The other two...but especially the Cake plug...have a smaller, brighter and sharper...in other words more digital sound than the LA2A.  I use the UAD all the time but stacked against the hardware...it's lacking.  As is the Cake version.  Middlemand's assessment is right on the money.  Sorry.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:05:45 (permalink)
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Middleman


Thanks Brandon, here are the files. No digs on the guitar playing, it was after work, I was tired, the sun was in my eyes and my shoes were untied.

http://soundcloud.com/phil-grabmiller/sets/la2a-comparison-tracks-1
Results are something like this.
 
Mid to hi the PC2A is closer to the hardware.
Low end the UAD is closer to the hardware.


Well...to my old ears the original LA2A has a rich, warm yet very defined sound.  The other two...but especially the Cake plug...have a smaller, brighter and sharper...in other words more digital sound than the LA2A.  I use the UAD all the time but stacked against the hardware...it's lacking.  As is the Cake version.  Middlemand's assessment is right on the money.  Sorry.

I think that twas my assesment....oh well painfully ignored again.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:08:09 (permalink)
Me being stupid and all,I get it now......age is making me blind as well as thick.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:10:30 (permalink)
How do you old b5974ts deal with it?

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:24:28 (permalink)
Yes that first file of middlemans,does have that in-describe-able sparkle-power-musicality about it,as infintesimal as it can be, it grows and makes you wonder,the horror of horrors,is THIS why I think a whole lotta modern music is crap?[Cause THEY"RE ALL "USING Emulations" instead of the "REAL THING???"].....bugga,just when I thought everything was ok.
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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:43:54 (permalink)
No I'm not gonna buy into that last theory!

The PC2A is the only thing,I needed to complete the puzzle.....now it's down to what really matters....good musical ideas,capturing them,arranging them,mixing them........oh that last part...hmmm,we'll get it done,soon enough!

Good job cakebakers!,I stepped into THIS world at exactly the RIGHT time,THANKYOU-Bob.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:53:31 (permalink)
I think it's great. It certainly sounds warmer than any of the compressors I have. I suspect this will be seeing a lot of action for my work.
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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 00:54:06 (permalink)
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It's worth noting that probably no two vintage LA2A hardware units sound exactly the same. So it really depends on the unit used to model.

This goes for lots of hand wired analog hardware - not just LA2As.

This is actually an excellent point.
Most apparatus, during that era were hand wired, and, as such, had different qualities to them. 
I know my Arp2600 sounds a bit different in ind from someone else's...

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 01:31:37 (permalink)
The PC2A sounds real close to the UAD LA2A, but the hdwr LA is splendiferous! Wow! Since my UAD doesn't get along with X1 (for some unknown and tired of trying) the PC2A is a real lifesaver, and at $39 a no-brainer. Thanks Cake. I've missed that warmth in a comp.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 01:37:26 (permalink)
Thanks for posting that Middleman, I must say I'm surprised - even after Soundcloud raped your files, the HW version sounds noticeable better than either software alternative IMO. I wonder how the hardware LA2A stacks up against the CLA2A? I'm very worried I'm going to have to buy a real LA2A now!

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 01:50:48 (permalink)
I will say the original files for both plugins sounds about 20% better than the soundcloud processed files so they are highly usable. I would be interested in that CLA2A comparison as well if someone has that plugin.

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 01:57:43 (permalink)
If someone has both the PC2A and IK's White LA2A, I'd be interested in how they compare? 

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 02:07:48 (permalink)
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If someone has both the PC2A and IK's White LA2A, I'd be interested in how they compare? 

Hi Mesh
Check my earlier posting. The ik version is in there.


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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 02:16:07 (permalink)
Overall, after playing with this baby tonight for quite some time, I am very impressed with it's smoothness, its sound and character.

Some things are highly subjective, as we know.  But my ears were very pleased with this plugin.  I like plugins that actually do have a "sound" one can hear/recognize/discern.  This one does.

I tried it on various synths and audio tracks. And i was pleased with the results each instance.

I don't know how it compares to some other similar emulations, but I know how it sounded on the work I was doing, which is more important to me than the comparisons in general.



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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 04:10:27 (permalink)
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I just put together a quick on/off comparision test.

The track contains two 'raw' rhythm guitars - there is no processing on them at all.

I bounced down about a minute for you to listen to. I've split it into six 10 second parts, each separated by a small gap, and I've balanced up the levels to give a fair test.

The Leveller is OFF in parts 1, 3, and 5; and ON in parts 2, 4 and 6.

I'm hearing the same as FBB mentions above (post #7), what do you think: CAKEWALK LEVELLER TEST



Thanks Steve!  I've just got my little one off to bed so I'll be listening to your comparisons.  Cool of you to do that.  What did you think?

 
So far I love it Tommy.
 
The effect is pleasantly warm and very smooth as you dial up the gain and reduce the peaks. I have a lot of experimenting to do but the effects on those tracks I linked to took me just a few seconds to dial in.
 
Here are the settings I used:
 

 
 
 

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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 04:22:19 (permalink)
Hi,

looking at all the enthusiastic reviews here, there,s a big chance that I (and maybe others) have to miss out on the 50% off offer because it looks like the 1st 1000 will be gone quick. I, just can't afford any extras before the end of the month.

Limited time offers are totally acceptable. Pushing like this is not. 
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Re:Whatcha think? 2012/03/23 04:57:12 (permalink)
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Thanks Brandon, here are the files. No digs on the guitar playing, it was after work, I was tired, the sun was in my eyes and my shoes were untied.

http://soundcloud.com/phil-grabmiller/sets/la2a-comparison-tracks-1
Results are something like this.
 
Mid to hi the PC2A is closer to the hardware.
Low end the UAD is closer to the hardware.

Well the clips seem to have different amounts of compression. Taking everything with a grain of salt, the hardware has a much smoother high frequency/transient control. Even over laptop speakers the hardware stands out. I'll hold off on the PC2A until it hits the usual cake bundle deals.  I'll keep my tube space heaters for awhile longer, Thanks for uploading.
Can you upload the orginal dry file? I'll pass it thru my LA-2A.
post edited by Eric Beam - 2012/03/23 05:28:53

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