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Re:When all the other DAW do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 12:54:27
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When the old Sonars had a lot of buttons showing it could be difficult to just click on the one you want.
It is even harder if the button is no longer there. 
I think also CW did impose a permanant button bar in the TV header that always annoyed me.
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Re:When all the other DAW do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 12:56:19
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 13:06:44
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Mike.. how about we ALL go back to an atari ST and a mono display :) .. all DAWS I use have or have used, had changes on their interfaces.. some drastic.. some not so.. if you used a few things , then it would be such as shock as it seems. when I did start with 7 from coming from elsewhere.. the amount of buttons did take a bit of getting used to, in comparison to other things, others who did the same know what I'm on about.. but I approached it to learn it.. as I will do with X1. before when logic was cut from PC.. I know people who were using it for YEARS after support ended and were happy with it and knew it inside out. Which is kinda the point of a program is as VALID as you want it to be.. regardless of updates etc.
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 13:11:02
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I am clearly trying to say that I think Cakewalk has tried to be all things to all people and that I, personally, think that this is possible, and that I, personally, think Cakewalk is about 98% there, and that I, personally, think it is both an admirable goal and an inevitability.
I agree. Well... I would say 95%. UnderTow
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 13:38:38
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mike_mccue
When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
I'm just asking, because when I see some of my friends and colleagues whom I admire greatly say they enjoy the new SONAR X1 lack of clutter...
And when I see people say they prefer going to look for command inputs that used to be on the main screen GUI...
And when I see people deny that all the views now show you less than they use to in the same display space...
I'm left to wonder:
What are the other DAWS going to look like when they finally catch up to SONAR?
I'm generally suspicious of someone who claims to be getting lots of work done but has a neat and clean a desk.
I'd like my clutter back.
all the best,
mike
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Hi Mike...
Nice topic line... I'm surprised I didn't see this one before...
I'm feeling the same. The softwares that were less cluttered ALWAYS were more difficult to use (for me). that's why I avoided them and chose Sonar to begin with!
Now with Sonar gone the other way, it's leveled the ground for them... As they each start to offer more on screen they'll be stepping ahead of Sonar instead of catching up.... Bad methodology.
The talk of DAW 2.0 is absurd... That'll probably happen when we get direct mind control over our biological implants...
This release has cost me more energy in struggle (far more than the simple learning curve) than all the previous releases combined. It is the first one that actually caused me real agony...
I'm truly finding it extremely uncomfortable, but I have no recourse but to learn it (with hope) as staying with a no-longer-developed product is a fast-pass to no program at all when it can no longer operate ( gear and OS will push this issue all by themselves)...
I'm in total agreement and I'm hoping our many posts are influencing the Cakewalk team to second-look these issues and make appropriate adjustments.... I'm truly working very hard to "keep the faith"!
Keni
AGREED............as you may already guess............... For those STILL claiming that too many buttons were "scary" (...!!!!???): YOU COULD ALWAYS GET RID OF THEM, ADAPTING EVERYTHING TO YOUR NEEDS...!!!! NOW YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT ANY LONGER...!!! IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND (IN THIS SENSE....) THE NEW X1 GUI IS DEFINETELY A STEP BACK ...??? WHY FORCE THOSE USERS (LIKE ME..) NEEDING ALL THOSE TOOLS AT SIGHT TO DIVE INSTEAD INTO AWFUL MENUS SCATTERED ALL AROUND...? I beg your pardon, guys, but I just don't get it....
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 13:57:46
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I'm still getting rid of buttons. Cleaned up half of them on the Control bar. Created some Track pane views without MSR buttons and the lot. My I/O view has nothing but the IO boxes. My FX view has nothing but the FX bin etc.
I'm excited that the Input Echo button doesn't jump over the the Track number widget when I delete the MSR buttons. I guess I've waited four years or better for that fix.
I still see room for improvement on Icon and Widget configuration.
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 13:58:27
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Once again, clutter as an option.
As Gothic points out as well, it's so painfully simple & solves every ones problems.
How easy, or difficult, it is to implement, I've no idea... perhaps someone at cakewalk would like to discuss this? Would be better than the sought of 'like it or lump it' approach.
C'mon give it a go. Widen your cloak.
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:00:16
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@gothic.angel At least you found your way back from the SHIFT key. That's a good start to reach available x1 keybindings 
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:08:54
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Music Miscreant
Once again, clutter as an option.
As Gothic points out as well, it's so painfully simple & solves every ones problems.
How easy, or difficult, it is to implement, I've no idea... perhaps someone at cakewalk would like to discuss this? Would be better than the sought of 'like it or lump it' approach.
C'mon give it a go. Widen your cloak.
Thanks, "MM"..............
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:14:28
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@gothic.angel
At least you found your way back from the SHIFT key.
That's a good start to reach available x1 keybindings
....yep....  ....but immediate visual FEEDBACK of features to turn on/off is still better than "hidden" keybindings....
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Re:When all the other DAW do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:26:41
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Although Mike makes a point I can remember many times working with buttons and having to find the right one. When the old Sonars had a lot of buttons showing it could be difficult to just click on the one you want. I think also CW did impose a permanant button bar in the TV header that always annoyed me.
So now you have to attempt each possible shortcut trying to remember which one it is?
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:33:23
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Sorry, but I think the problem is quite trivial:
DAWs have become so complex, that it is essentail to get a basic, working view on your DAW desktop.
One of the reasons I disliked Cubase and looked for alternatives was that it is a long grown system, which never was thoroughly rewritten from scratch to adopt to user perspectives: rather users got used to do it the Cubase way, while learning to use new functions. The big plus of a program like Presonus Studio One is to do it the other way round and have a fresh look at how you want to use your musical tool. So they wrote it from scratch. With Sonar X1 they tried to rewrite the GUI from such a fresh perspective, without losing (especially advanced midi) functionality: that's why I jumped from Cubase there.
From my view (not meant agressive in any way) Sonar veterans just have become used to a certain view and workflow, and it is certainly surprising to which degree such long used everyday habits obviously seem to have become a kind of addiction, looked at it from the outside like I do.
This kind of debates here seem like about 80% emotional (cold turkey syndrome) and 20% constructive interchange ("I used to, or now want to be able to get xy done: how is it done in the new concept, and can it be done efficient enough?")
You can turn it back and forth as long as you wish, refusing to see the point in X1 for users like me:
for me it is exactly this new approach, which gives me a fast access to the program and it's functions, despite some issues, bugs and shortcomings (which I agree to be debated in all openness).
8.5 was much too much an interface for insiders!
And if Cubase users want to hear it or not: the same counts for Cubase users (I say this despite long Cubase use).
Programs like Logic and Studio one show where GUI/function development goes.
And X1 will work great as immediately accessable and still functional, as soon as some updates cure important issues.
Probably somewhere around Sonar X9.... Oh wait.... that;ll be Sonar X8.5 so they don't hit the dreaded digit change!
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:37:15
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I totally "get" your point, Mike. I remember some who said that PT was so much faster because everything was driven by hot keys. I remember some who thought Logic was best because it was infinitely configurable. Then there were those who said that SONAR squashed their creativity because it wasn't 3-D enough. Then another group arose that said that 3D wasn't cool because "flat" is where it's at.
I wish I could say that it is funny because SONAR has had it all for quite some time but it's becoming not so funny to me. It's getting to be a pain when Cakewalk is trying to be all things to all people. I wish they would decide who they want to be and who they want to sell product to and then get on with it.
Me, I prefer 100% configurability. Right down to every menu system and widget. Right now, I think I can work with X1, once they fix the main features that are broken and should have never slipped out the door. A totally broken Audiosnap? Come on, that wasn't an accidental bug that got through the RC stage.
Maybe they should have approached it with a skin system? Pro T - SONAR, CUBESONAR, Logical SONAR, where you decide which other platform had SONAR features and made it look and act like that.
I agree with you aoo% Dave... They previously did this in as much as the shortcut bindings... It even ships with some of those... maybe they need to make the UI similar? With the ability to save and crossblend features? ;-) I guess they'll get there around Sonar X7............
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:40:03
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Hi Mod Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
I guess for me, IMO, SONAR is so close to being all things to all people that I truly and 100% sincerely think that Cakewalk is defining the future of DAW.
I don't see anything wrong with the goal of being full featured, and I think it is technically possible if not at this moment, in the very near future.
Of course that is simply my personal opinion.
all the best,
mike
Absolutely! this has been one of their big selling points (for me) and I've touted it as such to others in the past... Sorry to say but right now I must keep my mouth shut about it... I still advise Sonar 8.5.3 to users very strongly... but now I must give a caveat about it's future?
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:42:28
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Yup, though I'm getting to like working with X1 more with each new project...which is a good thing...it has a long way to go to get where 8.5.3 was with me. Luckily for me my MOJO is simple so it's not holding me back all that much. But I totally have to agree with MOD on this point: I'm completely baffled why they took ANY user configurability away, let alone a ton of it. I would think that from young beginners to old seasoned DAW vets...everyone would want complete user configurability. Who wouldn't want it? What market group? I'm really scratching my head over that one. Perhaps they will (slowly) bring it back. But there are many who may not be willing to wait.
I'm with you... But I might not live long enuf to get back what I had and what there is doesn't begin to make up for it... Lost time is the one thing we never get back! (ok ... Many of us get no tax returns either) ;-)
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 14:50:56
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I guess for me, IMO, SONAR is so close to being all things to all people that I truly and 100% sincerely think that Cakewalk is defining the future of DAW. I'm not sure that is the best approach to take and a lot of businesses have failed when they have tried it. But I also know that it's someone else's enterprise and unless I'm ready to buy a majority share in the company, I will wait and see what happens just like everyone else.
As far as feature implementation is concerned, I like the way Beatscape is implemented. I don't bother to install it. I don't care if it's offered or not. I don't care that a Video View, Step Sequencer, a Matrix view or any other beat making tool is included in SONAR either. I would prefer that I could eliminate all of those items out of my menues and hot keys though because I don't use them and I don't want to have to wade through them in a menu or have them accidently pop up because I hit a wrong key. I don't fault anyone for wanting those features but I just don't get into music that they would lend themselves to.
DAve! You nailed that one! I'm the same... I have no need/use for those and tho I allow them to be installed when there's an option... It's in the hope that I may one day find a use for it (and big hard drives don't notice it! ;-)) I've seen so many ways that they might handle this to satisfy mostly everyone... I sure hope they see it too! As to not wanting it to be all things? I hated the need to run tape in sync with my pc back in the DOS days when I ran Texture (tho I was glad it could as there were no alternatives that were better for me).... and in later years I had a Soundscape hard dic recorder that ran in sync with CWPro (pre-audio)... It worked! but it was difficult to work with and very tedious.... Bringing the two together was a major relief! So for all these tools I don't use, I'm glad they are doing their' best to accommodate all the various ways people make music and bring it together in a single controlled environment... It simplifies matters tremendously... Then there is the paradigm of discrete component systems so that you can pick/mix/chose the pieces.... so I understand your point, but I believe this has been one of Sonar's big selling points forever! Take the issues with PT finally catching up with the MIDI side of things? that's because the race was already head2head in the audio kingdom... so it's become how ell can we merge these tools and simplify their' use... My $0.002 Keni
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 15:50:42
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I'll attempt to show why I like the X1 GUI... When writing/recording, most of my time/effort is spent recording/editing via the TV... and editing MIDI in the PRV. I track acoustic/electric instruments and vocals... and soft-synths are used almost exclusively for keyboard parts. Mixing and tweaking is done along the way... and as a final process. So my priorities are easy tracking/editing, quick access to my soft-synths, and quick access to EFX/processing (in the event I want to mix/tweak as the project develops). With the basic layout below, I have quick access to most of the tools I need... and I can quickly tuck them away for when I want to zoom-in and perform more detailed edits. - When I want to edit MIDI, I open the PRV docked at the bottom. A double click and the PRV collapses... giving back full view of the project.
- When I want to add a synth, I've got the browser/synth-rack to the right... ready to access. If I want to see more horizontal project space, I can collapse the browser with a single click.
- When I want to add EFX/processing... or change routing/etc, I can show the inspector (Clip/Track properties, ProChannel, current Mixer channel and Bus) with a single click. If I want more horizontal project space, I can collapse the inspector with a single click.
Perhaps my needs are simpler than most, but for me... this is a vast organizational improvement over previous versions of Sonar and Pro Audio. As DAWs aquire more (and more complex) features, it does become more difficult to present in a simple/organized (easy to use) fashion. When I look at previous versions of Sonar and other apps like Cubase 5... then look at the colors/widgets/layout of X1, to my eyes and sense of organization, things are a lot more clear in X1. I'm certain that not everyone feels this way... But I doubt I'm alone in prefering X1's GUI I agree that the broken AudioSnap and other bugs need to be addressed ASAP. Regarding the metronome and other features/options that can't be tweaked on-the-fly, I too would like to see those constraints eliminated. But those things aren't unique to X1... (This goes all the way back to Pro Audio 4.0) I'd like everything to be adjustable on-the-fly... but I choose to "deal" with these limitations (some of which have workarounds - like the metronome routed to a bus)... because Sonar (overall) is my DAW of choice. 
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 16:48:17
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Screen looks lovely Jim...
But on my screen, the PRV is too small for me to comfortably work in... Magnify mode and all... I find it easier to open a maximized view of my window of choice... and I have the option of inline MIDI when I need to see the two time-related which the multidock doesn't do (tho I haven't had the need to see if I sized/located it to do so... The frame itself makes the combined view need for me to be far easier inline-MIDI... and I rarely use that...
Also you obviously have a widescreen as you have more modules open in the Control View... or is that all available? ;-)
I've got (in order left to right filling the screen width) Snap/Transport/Mix/Loop/Markers/Screenshot/Performance...
I can easily live without the others... and unless I get the hang of the screenshots (and bugs fixed) I can lose that module as well...
Oh, and with the help of benstats upcoming X1 Helper util, I remove the multidock from the screen completely as well as go into full screen mode to remove the title bar....
Even on widescreen monitors... All I've seen are 1920x1080 and at that resolution I can often not get enough tracks on screen simultaneously that are needed... So while the widescreens help with many issues, resolution is still a major factor for me.... I've thought about a new screen for a long time and realize that tho I like all the new HD screens, the ones I've seen are all limited at 1920/1080... There may be some very high-end screens (really out of my reach as I can't even manage the cash for a cheap widescreen)... But I haven't seen these yet...
And where are your tools? Ah, yes, they're all in hiding... Very pretty but not a work environment for me... I need my tools where I can see them even at the cost of a "not-pretty" screen...
Commercial kitchens typically use all stainless steel... Not designer...
Best to you!
Keni
I also don't keep my browser open as I only use it when I insert a synth, so I was fine with the synth rack... I insert my fx with a right-click/browse in the fx bin of choice as opposed to dragging something around the screen...
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 16:51:35
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I'll attempt to show why I like the X1 GUI...
When writing/recording, most of my time/effort is spent recording/editing via the TV... and editing MIDI in the PRV. I track acoustic/electric instruments and vocals... and soft-synths are used almost exclusively for keyboard parts. Mixing and tweaking is done along the way... and as a final process.
So my priorities are easy tracking/editing, quick access to my soft-synths, and quick access to EFX/processing (in the event I want to mix/tweak as the project develops).
With the basic layout below, I have quick access to most of the tools I need... and I can quickly tuck them away for when I want to zoom-in and perform more detailed edits.
- When I want to edit MIDI, I open the PRV docked at the bottom. A double click and the PRV collapses... giving back full view of the project.
- When I want to add a synth, I've got the browser/synth-rack to the right... ready to access. If I want to see more horizontal project space, I can collapse the browser with a single click.
- When I want to add EFX/processing... or change routing/etc, I can show the inspector (Clip/Track properties, ProChannel, current Mixer channel and Bus) with a single click. If I want more horizontal project space, I can collapse the inspector with a single click.
Perhaps my needs are simpler than most, but for me... this is a vast organizational improvement over previous versions of Sonar and Pro Audio.
As DAWs aquire more (and more complex) features, it does become more difficult to present in a simple/organized (easy to use) fashion.
When I look at previous versions of Sonar and other apps like Cubase 5... then look at the colors/widgets/layout of X1, to my eyes and sense of organization, things are a lot more clear in X1.
I'm certain that not everyone feels this way...
But I doubt I'm alone in prefering X1's GUI
I agree that the broken AudioSnap and other bugs need to be addressed ASAP.
Regarding the metronome and other features/options that can't be tweaked on-the-fly, I too would like to see those constraints eliminated. But those things aren't unique to X1... (This goes all the way back to Pro Audio 4.0) I'd like everything to be adjustable on-the-fly... but I choose to "deal" with these limitations (some of which have workarounds - like the metronome routed to a bus)... because Sonar (overall) is my DAW of choice.
The only one of those things you can't do and do easier in 8.5.3 is the browser and that is because it isn't there.
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 17:04:18
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I think that this type of GUI is slowly adopted by software developers as it just makes sense. Just like when Steinberg first came up w/ what's now referred to as the track view/edit view/arrange window. It became the standard.
Of course, it varies a bit from one sequencer to another, but the basic layout is the same.
A browser makes sense. Having all track parameters available in the inspector makes sense. Same for tabs and screensets.
Though there seems to be room for improvement in X1, overall, the basics are there.
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 17:07:26
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The only one of those things you can't do and do easier in 8.5.3 is the browser and that is because it isn't there. I'm sure this will come as a shock to Jim, who thoughtfully wrote out why he enjoys X1, and how it is easier for him. Maybe with your sage advice he will throw in the towel and go back to the old way.
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 17:19:57
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The only one of those things you can't do and do easier in 8.5.3 is the browser and that is because it isn't there.
I'm sure this will come as a shock to Jim, who thoughtfully wrote out why he enjoys X1, and how it is easier for him. Maybe with your sage advice he will throw in the towel and go back to the old way.
What is it with you guys and the personal attacks? Can't you just disagree and have some manners? Must every X1 fan be so damn rude?
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2011/01/06 17:26:19
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The only one of those things you can't do and do easier in 8.5.3 is the browser and that is because it isn't there. FWIW, I don't think the inspector in v8.53 is as flexible as X1... and (to my eyes) the colors of the widgets/etc are significantly better in X1. As I mentioned before, I have quick access to the tools I use most... and I can quickly tuck them away when I want to zoom-in for more detailed work. I'm using a single 28" monitor at 1920x1200 and the above layout works well (for me).
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Keni
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 17:44:35
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Jim Roseberry
The only one of those things you can't do and do easier in 8.5.3 is the browser and that is because it isn't there.
FWIW, I don't think the inspector in v8.53 is as flexible as X1... and (to my eyes) the colors of the widgets/etc are significantly better in X1.
As I mentioned before, I have quick access to the tools I use most... and I can quickly tuck them away when I want to zoom-in for more detailed work.
I'm using a single 28" monitor at 1920x1200 and the above layout works well (for me).
I agree with you about the inspector over all... tho not having ALL elements available is still an issue... The hiding things you could do as well and the colors... Well, for some of them you got me there... Those that are "artwork" are fixed for sure... Those that change status typically have two color values you can set in 8.5... I'm truly very glad that this is comfortable to you... But I could make something this spartan in 8.5 easily... the multidock is absolutely better than the tabbed views, but I didn't use them either... I'm afraid that even on a 24" widescreen (1920x1080) I find TV height limited more often than not... Because as we both know the larger the screen the bigger everything gets at the same resolution so you still get as little onscreen as a smaller similar res monitor... I too work in TV probably 70% of the time and PRV most of the remaining 30%... thos there are times when that swings the other way.... And I frequently need to go back and forth... But I prefer to see more overall area in each window when I'm working in it as I run into this boundary all too often... Dual or triple monitors would probably be great if I could bury them in my mixing desk or some such... All these screens (especially the large, widescreens) wreak havoc with sound at ear level... then there's the cost... For me that's my first limitation these days... I can't buy anything.... and probably will be on a standard screen for some time to come... BTW... about the colors of the widgets... Far too much/many grays and silvers for my eye to be comfortable differentiating... Thanks for the POV tho...
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 17:47:34
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Also you obviously have a widescreen as you have more modules open in the Control View... or is that all available? ;-) I've got (in order left to right filling the screen width) Snap/Transport/Mix/Loop/Markers/Screenshot/Performance... I can easily live without the others... and unless I get the hang of the screenshots (and bugs fixed) I can lose that module as well... Oh, and with the help of benstats upcoming X1 Helper util, I remove the multidock from the screen completely as well as go into full screen mode to remove the title bar.... Even on widescreen monitors... All I've seen are 1920x1080 and at that resolution I can often not get enough tracks on screen simultaneously that are needed... So while the widescreens help with many issues, resolution is still a major factor for me.... I've thought about a new screen for a long time and realize that tho I like all the new HD screens, the ones I've seen are all limited at 1920/1080... There may be some very high-end screens (really out of my reach as I can't even manage the cash for a cheap widescreen)... But I haven't seen these yet... And where are your tools? Ah, yes, they're all in hiding... Very pretty but not a work environment for me... I need my tools where I can see them even at the cost of a "not-pretty" screen... Hi Keni, I run a 28" monitor at 1920x1200 resolution I'm sure that helps... I don't necessarily need to see all tracks in a given project simultaneously... Just the ones I'm currently recording/editing Folders help keep vertical track space in check. Regarding tools, I'm using the Smart Tool (and the rest are available in the upper left corner of the Control bar).
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 17:57:23
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BTW... about the colors of the widgets... Far too much/many grays and silvers for my eye to be comfortable differentiating... I understand about the colors... An aesthetic issue for sure I'm not a fan of bright colored widgets (like those in Cubase 5) BTW, My point with the screen capture wasn't to present a spartan look. Rather, that I can access all the tools I need... and quickly/easily put them away (to regain screen realestate).
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 18:00:02
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I'm just asking, because when I see some of my friends and colleagues whom I admire greatly say they enjoy the new SONAR X1 lack of clutter... I just spent a few hours cluttering up X1 and sliming it back down to pure track real estate or PRV. Once I figured it out, 'cause it is different, it was much easier. I kept looking for my bit depth till I realized it was right in front of me. I understand your pain.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 18:00:13
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I think that this type of GUI is slowly adopted by software developers as it just makes sense. Just like when Steinberg first came up w/ what's now referred to as the track view/edit view/arrange window. It became the standard. Of course, it varies a bit from one sequencer to another, but the basic layout is the same. A browser makes sense. Having all track parameters available in the inspector makes sense. Same for tabs and screensets. Though there seems to be room for improvement in X1, overall, the basics are there. Agreed...
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 18:02:06
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Jim Roseberry
Regarding tools, I'm using the Smart Tool (and the rest are available in the upper left corner of the Control bar).
I found I don't even need the tool module. Just hit "T" or push the mouse wheel and it appears. I actually have empty space in my Control Bar.
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Re:When all the other DAWs do as much as SONAR... will their GUIs be "cluttered"?
2011/01/06 18:02:13
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FWIW,
If I was stuck with that Layout Jim... which I know I'm not... I have options within SONAR... I'd just go out and shoot myself.
That's how different our opinions are on the matter.
I worked all day in X1... hit about 20 bugs and at the end of the day, a few minutes ago, I opened 8.5 to observe a behavior there and I was instantly back in a comfortable place... and then I got depressed to think that If I choose to stay in v8.5 that it's doomed to be a very short window... all things considered.
If I call you 2 years from now and ask you to set me up with a screaming 8.5 rig... are you going to be in a position to help me?
all the very best,
mike
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