trimph1


I suppose he is serious...

My take in his posts is that..sure it can be annoying..to ME. Now whether it is annoying objectivelly...megh... 


And some people do find that bashing a product does make it better...in the long run...as I feel that while it can get tiresome...CW does notice it...

I was correct (as admitted to by the poster). Why wouldn't I be serious about it?

*Bub yells down to Baps* .... "LOOK OUT BELOW!!!"

Hah, I love it.

I was just perusing new threads around here (staying out of most these days) and what does this turn into?

MORE personal attacks.

I think 10Ten can be abrasive, but to attack him directly in this thread seems childish and wreaks of indecency.

I would not normally take his side, but on this thread I will.   He didn't attack anyone personally at all in this thread.   Yet he is now the brunt of attacks.

Very sad, and those attacking him should be ashamed of themselves.

This entire thread was unnecessary had the OP known about the TOS which is clearly posted.

Sheesh -- this forum has truly gone downhill and I'm kind of glad I don't involve myself around here so much these days.

Don't bother replying to me - I'm out of this thread.

ba_midi


Hah, I love it.

I was just perusing new threads around here (staying out of most these days) and what does this turn into?

MORE personal attacks.

I think 10Ten can be abrasive, but to attack him directly in this thread seems childish and wreaks of indecency.

I would not normally take his side, but on this thread I will.   He didn't attack anyone personally at all in this thread.   Yet he is now the brunt of attacks.

Very sad, and those attacking him should be ashamed of themselves.

This entire thread was unnecessary had the OP known about the TOS which is clearly posted.

Sheesh -- this forum has truly gone downhill and I'm kind of glad I don't involve myself around here so much these days.

Don't bother replying to me - I'm out of this thread.

It may be all you say but think of the threads he has insinuated himself into only to bash CW and us as well by being users of the product. He isn't bringing light to a problem but he is in fact attacking us all for being Sonarites. If you don't see that so be it.

You may view it your way but it seems to me when a poster has only one thing to say and says it over and over again that poster needs to be told how depressing his posts are. Also as was pointed out even Brandon took exception to his postings. When is enough enough?

  

HumbleNoise


I have to applaud the Cakewalk personnel for their apparent 'anything goes' attitude regarding this forum but I'm not sure that's the purpose or intention regarding same. Or is it? If it is, then the question within this thread is moot. If it's not then where are the limits?

When the forums were created was the purpose to allow anyone to say anything? Certainly not, but again, where are the limits?

Is there a policy statement in the stickied section where I would expect to find one?

Do we need more moderation for the few who will not control themselves? Or is it better to let everything fly and see what sticks to the wall?

I read a thread from another forum where a user was asked to take a break simply because they were rude, unfriendly, and not helpful. The post from the moderator had a really refreshing feel to it. No real drama just a, "Hey you're not here to ask an honest question nor are you here to help, come back when you are."

For me personally I see no reason why an enforceable forum policy can't be created but I also see why no one would want to spend the resources  needed enforcing such an idea.

Any thoughts?

Are you trying to say that we need some kind of censorship? Many countries have tried that ..
I appreciate the open concept here .. life has a way to regulate itself. We are the regulators in a way. We tend to argue.. voice our opinions .. good or bad .. give **** to the ones going off the "path".
That is why I like it... just the way it is.

SteveStrummerUK

Fernando

Are you trying to say that we need some kind of censorship? Many countries have tried that .. 

Fernando, this isn't a country, and neither is it a democracy - these forums are Cakewalk's to do with what they want, and how they choose. We are all their guests - purchasing a product from them does not give anyone the right to say and do whatever they want here.
 
Think about it as your own home - if people you invited inside started abusing each other and behaving inappropriately you'd soon ask them to clean up their act, or to leave.
 
 

Think about it as your own home - if people you invited inside started abusing each other and behaving inappropriately you'd soon ask them to clean up their act, or to leave.

Steve, next time i have people over to my house you're more than welcome to restore the order!!! I just feel so weak sometimes!

You have the right to self combust..so long as it is not in mah house...

rscain


I've been coming to this forum for a long time and there have always been disagreements, sometimes downright nasty ones (rarely).
Lately, though, we have been visited by a number of folks who seem determined to turn any sort of discussion into something unpleasant and unproductive.
Not naming any names, just sayin' (you know who you are, and so do we))
These people seem to be driven by a need for attention and sadly, they mostly get it.
I say sadly because I've noticed that a lot of folks who use to hang around and offer a lot of help to others are conspicuous by their abscence.
Curiously, these folks who are ostensibly musicians or engineers or producers never seem (for the most part) to provide any links to any of their work. I wonder why?

do you now? come on man, you know the answer to that question!

Agreed that if people go TO far, that can be a problem, although, then again, I think you have to go pretty far.

Seems like sometimes people have a pretty think skin.   For example, unless I can you a bleeping bleep bleep bleep,   or get called that  I'm usually pretty cool

Bub, I'm simply a member of the forum and it matters to me because it matters to me. That's all.

Bub

HumbleNoise


I don't think censorship is the right word. That implies that certain opinions would be banned or disallowed and that's not what I'm implying.

Even in the most uncensored country there are certain behaviors that are over the line. I just don't think the Bakers have defined and redefined that line often enough, and it causes there to be no line at all, which results in some of the rude and angry tone of some threads. Some people don't mind it, I get that, and was really wondering what most others think as well.

And I think Steve put it pretty well..."Think about it as your own home - if people you invited inside started abusing each other and behaving inappropriately you'd soon ask them to clean up their act, or to leave."

I guess that is, in a way, censorship, but only censorship after some clear rules have been agreed upon. This forum has definitive, agreed upon rules, and I guess one could say, "Break them and you'll be censored." Or as I sand a couple of times, let the fur fly, and ignore the TOS. I can live with that as well.

Why does any of this matter to you Larry? Unless I missed something, I've never seen you get verbally abused, especially not to the extent that I have been.

And ... don't mistake calling someone out when they're wrong, for bashing. There's a big difference.

You mean insisting anyone who says X1a is workable for them is a liar? Is that what you mean by calling out?
Or then saying someone lied because they said x1a will be fixed and you replied that's  he (I) lied  because even 853 isn't fixed-very profound and helpful? Is that what you mean by helping and being nice and constructive?
Shall I copy and paste your replies and each time you insinuated a forum member was lying? Is that what you mean?
 
At least I admit I have a bad temper and get a bit carried away. But at least I am open about and do not try and paint myseld as the victim.
Let's get a bit real here, shall we.
I can do that if you like.

stratman70

Bub

HumbleNoise


I don't think censorship is the right word. That implies that certain opinions would be banned or disallowed and that's not what I'm implying.

Even in the most uncensored country there are certain behaviors that are over the line. I just don't think the Bakers have defined and redefined that line often enough, and it causes there to be no line at all, which results in some of the rude and angry tone of some threads. Some people don't mind it, I get that, and was really wondering what most others think as well.

And I think Steve put it pretty well..."Think about it as your own home - if people you invited inside started abusing each other and behaving inappropriately you'd soon ask them to clean up their act, or to leave."

I guess that is, in a way, censorship, but only censorship after some clear rules have been agreed upon. This forum has definitive, agreed upon rules, and I guess one could say, "Break them and you'll be censored." Or as I sand a couple of times, let the fur fly, and ignore the TOS. I can live with that as well.

Why does any of this matter to you Larry? Unless I missed something, I've never seen you get verbally abused, especially not to the extent that I have been.

And ... don't mistake calling someone out when they're wrong, for bashing. There's a big difference.

You mean insisting anyone who says X1a is workable for them is a liar? Is that what you mean by calling out?

I never insisted that. I must have failed at making my point in that thread, and I do apologize stratman. I should have said, "Please also mention you don't use the parts of X1a that are broken when you reply to someone who is asking for advice." That's what I should have said. I see so many people say how X1a works great for them, but they leave out the part that they don't use any of the functions that are broken. When someone is asking for advice, don't you think it's a good idea to tell them the whole story?

 
Or then saying someone lied because they said x1a will be fixed and you replied that's  he (I) lied  because even 853 isn't fixed-very profound and helpful? Is that what you mean by helping and being nice and constructive?
Shall I copy and paste your replies and each time you insinuated a forum member was lying? Is that what you mean?

Actually, yes, please do the copy/paste thing. You said X1 will be fixed for free and we all know that's not going to happen. There has never been a version of Sonar that has been working 100% before we/I/you had to upgrade for a fee. Therefor, you can't honestly make the statement that X1 will be fixed for free. Did you miss the big thread where Seth was making comments about paid updates?

 
At least I admit I have a bad temper and get a bit carried away. But at least I am open about and do not try and paint myseld as the victim.
Let's get a bit real here, shall we.
I can do that if you like.

You certainly do paint yourself as a victim. This whole post is you crying your a victim. :)

It bothers me when I see people being misled. And I'm not saying you did it intentionally, and I should have went about it a different way because I obviously upset you. I've learned a lot from this and hope you have too.

Bub.

Did you miss the big thread where Seth was making comments about paid updates?

 
Making comments like this is how you anger some of us! Seth did not make a comment saying a user would have to pay for any update! I think you're putting words in his mouth. Where did he say that?
 
If I recall correctly the post you are referring to, which I think I do, Seth was replying to a user who asked if the snap to function could have separate snap to settings for the Piano Roll View and the Track View, and Seth said this is "beyond the scope of the next free update." To say he "was making comments about paid updates," is a fabrication, and putting words in his mouth. This bull crap about some of you forum members making multiple posts asserting that he said you would have to pay for X1 to be fixed is not true. Seth didn't say that. And it smacks of an effort to try to make Cakewalk look bad! But honestly I'm sure you are not intentionally trying to do that. Some of you users make me so angry with your wack ability to try to read into someone's post and start spreading comments the poster didn't even say. Or are you speaking of some other post Seth made?
 
Actually, here is the post by Seth I think you are referring to: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2205615
 
Concerning the question about the snap to feature, for Seth to say this "is beyond the scope of the next free update," does not ascertain that users will have to pay for future updates. Cakewalk is working on the next free update. Have you ever thought maybe their efforts are directed towards what is being worked on for that update (a bunch of stuff), and maybe this snap to request can be done in another free update, but not the next free update (since a lot is on the plate for the next free update, already)? Geez, think about things sometimes before proceeding with making posts that paint a bad picture of Cakewalk to the forum members?

Bub, where is the post where Seth was, as you say: "...was making comments about paid updates?" He didn't say that in the post I posted in this thread. If you insist he did in the post I linked to, well, that's all in your mind and your own mind trip. Without the proof, you're spreading misinformation.

Why don't you post as a quote Seth's exact words that demonstrates he"...was making comments about paid updates?" and I will stand corrected. I think you're putting words in his mouth, and you're again being an agitator.