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Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies?

I have to applaud the Cakewalk personnel for their apparent 'anything goes' attitude regarding this forum but I'm not sure that's the purpose or intention regarding same. Or is it? If it is, then the question within this thread is moot. If it's not then where are the limits?

When the forums were created was the purpose to allow anyone to say anything? Certainly not, but again, where are the limits?

Is there a policy statement in the stickied section where I would expect to find one?

Do we need more moderation for the few who will not control themselves? Or is it better to let everything fly and see what sticks to the wall?

I read a thread from another forum where a user was asked to take a break simply because they were rude, unfriendly, and not helpful. The post from the moderator had a really refreshing feel to it. No real drama just a, "Hey you're not here to ask an honest question nor are you here to help, come back when you are."

For me personally I see no reason why an enforceable forum policy can't be created but I also see why no one would want to spend the resources  needed enforcing such an idea.

Any thoughts?

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 16:51:19 (permalink)
    I agree. I'm a little tired of people getting attacked because they have a different opinion or X1 of haven't been here whatever length of time someone has to be here to be here long enough.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 16:58:13 (permalink)
    That's a good point 10. Should there be a special policy for victims who always perceive that they are being attacked? Or just a more blanket policy about people who come here and offer very little help and always have something bad to say about something?

    Or does a genuine policy actually exist? I saw someone get reprimanded about a political post a couple weeks ago, so I'm guessing that's not allowed, but what else is not allowed?

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 16:59:41 (permalink)
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    That's a good point 10. Should there be a special policy for victims who always perceive that they are being attacked? Or just a more blanket policy about people who come here and offer very little help and always have something bad to say about something?

    Or does a genuine policy actually exist? I saw someone get reprimanded about a political post a couple weeks ago, so I'm guessing that's not allowed, but what else is not allowed?


    How much help is this thread? Should you be suspended for a non-helpful off topic thread?
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:02:33 (permalink)
    So shut the people up having issues with Sonar X1? Really?

    Larry, I do agree the personal attacks by some could be delt with, especially when it deal with "my post count is higher then yours so this legitimizes my posts"  attitude. We are all Sonar X1 users, lets just work threw it together and get the problems solved, capping ones thoughts is not the sollution.


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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:02:56 (permalink)
    I guess this will become another bickerfest... 

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:04:00 (permalink)
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    So shut the people up having issues with Sonar X1? Really?

    Larry, I do agree the personal attacks by some could be delt with, especially when it deal with "my post count is higher then yours so this legitimizes my posts"  attitude. We are all Sonar X1 users, lets just work threw it together and get the problems solved, capping ones thoughts is not the sollution.


    Best,


    The really funny thing is when people who have been here a week attack people that have been here for two days but as long as the attacker is an X1 supporter, they seem to be completely safe.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:05:03 (permalink)
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    I guess this will become another bickerfest... 


    What do you expect from a thread like this?
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:08:00 (permalink)
    "The really funny thing is when people who have been here a week attack people that have been here for two days but as long as the attacker is an X1 supporter, they seem to be completely safe"

    This boils down to one thing, why are people upset? Well, Sonar users are frustrated with the software, and are voicing opinions. I do believe, this is a democratic approach, even though it may be uncomfortable for some.

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:08:13 (permalink)
    Forums terms of service (find it under Forum Menu, at the top of the forum pages): http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx
     
    Cakewalk is very tolerant. They know we human beings can get upset at times, but when they think something gets too out of line, they react. It's really at their discretion.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:11:38 (permalink)
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    "The really funny thing is when people who have been here a week attack people that have been here for two days but as long as the attacker is an X1 supporter, they seem to be completely safe"

    This boils down to one thing, why are people upset? Well, Sonar users are frustrated with the software, and are voicing opinions. I do believe, this is a democratic approach, even though it may be uncomfortable for some.

    Best,


    The odd thing is that people that don't like X1 generally talk about X1 while the people that like X1 generally talk about the people that don't like X1. One of those is on topic, the other isn't and is against the TOS.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:13:45 (permalink)
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    So shut the people up having issues with Sonar X1? Really?

    Larry, I do agree the personal attacks by some could be delt with, especially when it deal with "my post count is higher then yours so this legitimizes my posts"  attitude. We are all Sonar X1 users, lets just work threw it together and get the problems solved, capping ones thoughts is not the sollution.


    Best,


    Come on Scott. I'm not suggesting we "shut the people up having issues with Sonar X1." Did you really read that into my post? Really? Did you somehow take my post personally? It wasn't meant that way.

    I'm just curious about the policies and the sometimes tenor of the forum. And if you think it's fine the way it is, I'm fine with that and it's certainly not my call. And if you think the personal attacks could be dealt with, should they be dealt with?

    I'm just asking for opinions and clarity, not proposing some ban on discussion or "capping one's thoughts." If my post came off like that it certainly didn't say state that, nor was it intended.

    What do think about policies for the forum? Should they be posted? Should we just let stuff fly and deal with it? I'm really curious about your thoughts.

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:15:01 (permalink)
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    That's a good point 10. Should there be a special policy for victims who always perceive that they are being attacked? Or just a more blanket policy about people who come here and offer very little help and always have something bad to say about something?

    Or does a genuine policy actually exist? I saw someone get reprimanded about a political post a couple weeks ago, so I'm guessing that's not allowed, but what else is not allowed?


    How much help is this thread? Should you be suspended for a non-helpful off topic thread?


    Maybe you're right 10. Perhaps I should be the first to be banned?

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:16:06 (permalink)

    btw Thomas just answered the question posed in the OP.  Did anyone else notice?

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:17:08 (permalink)
    I did Jonbouy, Was just going to post a thank you.

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:17:29 (permalink)
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    10Ten


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    That's a good point 10. Should there be a special policy for victims who always perceive that they are being attacked? Or just a more blanket policy about people who come here and offer very little help and always have something bad to say about something?

    Or does a genuine policy actually exist? I saw someone get reprimanded about a political post a couple weeks ago, so I'm guessing that's not allowed, but what else is not allowed?


    How much help is this thread? Should you be suspended for a non-helpful off topic thread?


    Maybe you're right 10. Perhaps I should be the first to be banned?


    I never suggested that you be banned, and I don't want anyone to be banned, suspended or anything else.  I simply asked a question based on your post in your thread.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:17:47 (permalink)
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    Forums terms of service (find it under Forum Menu, at the top of the forum pages): http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx
     
    Cakewalk is very tolerant. They know we human beings can get upset at times, but when they think something gets too out of line, they react. It's really at their discretion.


    Thanks Thomas, I don't see where that is located but I can read your link. EDIT: Found it.

    Thanks again.

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:19:59 (permalink)
    "And if you think it's fine the way it is, I'm fine with that and it's certainly not my call"

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx Its already been posted since 2003.


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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:28:21 (permalink)
    "Did you somehow take my post personally?"

    I dont take anything anyone says personally. I do though see the people complaining as legitimate concerns about the status of Sonar X1. It might be uncomfortable for some to read, but nevertheless, concerns about the software. If anyone was breaking with TOS Im sure they would be delt with swiftly like we have seen in the past. So what kind of list do you need? The TOS was very clear.

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:29:33 (permalink)
    Larry I think this a valid thread but I suspect it will be moved .

    I know that you don't want confrontation but sometimes it can't be avoided.

    Lets call a spade a spade. 10ten has made a career of saying one liners against X1. I for one have not seen a post from him that offers anything other than a sarcastic punch at CW and X1. Further, often his posts are made from total ignorance. That is he will comment about something as if it is broken or buggy without knowing how it works.

    Its one thing to post an issue its quite another to bash a product all the time. Those that have found bugs have done us all real service. Those that have stayed with it and made sure that CW is aware and this forum do us great service. Those that say nothing that informs us or enlightens us in any way only look as snide obsessive CW bashers. They contribute nothing and make all threads less useful to us all.



     

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:32:24 (permalink)
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    Larry I think this a valid thread but I suspect it will be moved .

    I know that you don't want confrontation but sometimes it can't be avoided.

    Lets call a spade a spade. 10ten has made a career of saying one liners against X1. I for one have not seen a post from him that offers anything other than a sarcastic punch at CW and X1. Further, often his posts are made from total ignorance. That is he will comment about something as if it is broken or buggy without knowing how it works.

    Its one thing to post an issue its quite another to bash a product all the time. Those that have found bugs have done us all real service. Those that have stayed with it and made sure that CW is aware and this forum do us great service. Those that say nothing that informs us or enlightens us in any way only look as snide obsessive CW bashers. They contribute nothing and make all threads less useful to us all.






    Wow! Three years of attacks on X1 and CW. Not only is it not true, it is a blatant personal attack.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:35:38 (permalink)
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    I do though see the people complaining as legitimate concerns about the status of Sonar X1. It might be uncomfortable for some to read, but nevertheless, concerns about the software.


    Totally agree and I found the TOS as my previous post states.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:39:20 (permalink)
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    Larry I think this a valid thread but I suspect it will be moved .

    I know that you don't want confrontation but sometimes it can't be avoided.

    Lets call a spade a spade. 10ten has made a career of saying one liners against X1. I for one have not seen a post from him that offers anything other than a sarcastic punch at CW and X1. Further, often his posts are made from total ignorance. That is he will comment about something as if it is broken or buggy without knowing how it works.

    Its one thing to post an issue its quite another to bash a product all the time. Those that have found bugs have done us all real service. Those that have stayed with it and made sure that CW is aware and this forum do us great service. Those that say nothing that informs us or enlightens us in any way only look as snide obsessive CW bashers. They contribute nothing and make all threads less useful to us all.






    Wow! Three years of attacks on X1 and CW. Not only is it not true, it is a blatant personal attack.


    It is an attack on you. I make no bones about it. I find your conduct on this forum atrocious. But more then that, very tiresome. I am willing to take any action CW feels is right against me because I feel that strong about it.

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:40:45 (permalink)
    Wow! Three years of attacks on X1 and CW. Not only is it not true, it is a blatant personal attack.

     
    ROTFLOL 10Ten really cracks me up sometimes! That was so funny to me, but he's probably serious.


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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:43:31 (permalink)
    I find your conduct on this forum atrocious. But more then that, very tiresome.


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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:44:26 (permalink)
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    It is an attack on you. I make no bones about it. I find your conduct on this forum atrocious. But more then that, very tiresome. I am willing to take any action CW feels is right against me because I feel that strong about it.

    How is it that I am so evil, but it is you that are doing the personal stuff? I post on topic, about X1 and Sonar. You like to post about me. Why is that?

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:44:31 (permalink)
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    Larry I think this a valid thread but I suspect it will be moved .

    I know that you don't want confrontation but sometimes it can't be avoided.

    Lets call a spade a spade. 10ten has made a career of saying one liners against X1. I for one have not seen a post from him that offers anything other than a sarcastic punch at CW and X1. Further, often his posts are made from total ignorance. That is he will comment about something as if it is broken or buggy without knowing how it works.

    Its one thing to post an issue its quite another to bash a product all the time. Those that have found bugs have done us all real service. Those that have stayed with it and made sure that CW is aware and this forum do us great service. Those that say nothing that informs us or enlightens us in any way only look as snide obsessive CW bashers. They contribute nothing and make all threads less useful to us all.






    Wow! Three years of attacks on X1 and CW. Not only is it not true, it is a blatant personal attack.


    It is an attack on you. I make no bones about it. I find your conduct on this forum atrocious. But more then that, very tiresome. I am willing to take any action CW feels is right against me because I feel that strong about it.


    Even Brandon Ryan calls him out.  He still thinks he's in the right though.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:46:01 (permalink)
    I suppose he is serious...

    My take in his posts is that..sure it can be annoying..to ME. Now whether it is annoying objectivelly...megh... 


    And some people do find that bashing a product does make it better...in the long run...as I feel that while it can get tiresome...CW does notice it...

    The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:47:20 (permalink)
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    They contribute nothing and make all threads less useful to us all.



    I guess that's my point, If there were someone who contributed nothing, and made all threads less useful to us all, should the bakers do something? Or just let the fur fly as we currently experience? A lot of the behavior (and not the posts about problems with X1 sheesh) seems to violate a few sections of the forum TOS but there's no enforcement. I understand that as I would NOT want the job but things get so out of control sometimes that a little heavier hand might be a good thing for the forum.
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    Re:Where Are? What Are, The Forum Policies? 2011/02/14 17:47:29 (permalink)
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    It is an attack on you. I make no bones about it. I find your conduct on this forum atrocious. But more then that, very tiresome. I am willing to take any action CW feels is right against me because I feel that strong about it.


    Even Brandon Ryan calls him out.  He still thinks he's in the right though.


    That's because I am. I post about a product I bought and my opinion of it on the appropriate forum without attacking anyone. All which is in accordance with the TOS. I can understand that the devs might not like people pointing out their mistakes, but this is the place to do it. I tried it at the Walmart forum and no one knew what SOnar X1 was.
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