10Ten

Poco


Based on the comparison between the 8.5.3 track view and the X1 track view, the DVDs will sit in the box.  I use track view for individual tracks and CV for busses.  You have removed too much information from the track view, eg. the FX bin.  I do not want to have to individually select a track to see if it has an effect inserted or not.  The same for the other data.

Too bad.  I hope Cakewalk changes this, but for now, I am just buying the release to stay current. 

The FX bins are still there. Right where they always were.

Hmmm.  I don't see them here:
 
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5009/5274733738_aae94335b6_b.jpg

"vertically wider"

is that a new thing?

Poco

10Ten

Poco


Based on the comparison between the 8.5.3 track view and the X1 track view, the DVDs will sit in the box.  I use track view for individual tracks and CV for busses.  You have removed too much information from the track view, eg. the FX bin.  I do not want to have to individually select a track to see if it has an effect inserted or not.  The same for the other data.

Too bad.  I hope Cakewalk changes this, but for now, I am just buying the release to stay current. 

The FX bins are still there. Right where they always were.

Hmmm.  I don't see them here:
 
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5009/5274733738_aae94335b6_b.jpg

Click on the button that says ALL right above your tracks. Select "Track Control Manager" .  Then turn on (check the box) your FX bin to make it visible.  Remember to select Custom as your default instead of ALL.

Bub

...wicked

As for being skeptical, c'mon man you've gotta at some point either say you just don't want to hear the truth or you've got to congratulate him. A webcam? You're kidding me right?

I said I was truly happy for him and I meant it. It's just that his claims keep getting more grandiose and a little unbelievable to me, especially for a live situation. I did come off like I was calling him a liar and for that I apologize to you gt. I should have worded it differently or not said anything at all. It's just hard to believe that it's working so well for him after being bombarded with all these negative threads the last couple of weeks.

I still haven't got X1, still waiting for my shipment from Sweetwater, so I have refrained from saying anything about X1's functionality except that I love the new look based off the screen-shots I've seen and can't wait to get my hands on it to see how it works for me.

Again gt, I do apologize, I should have worded that differently and I am glad that it's working so well for you. And I did mean it when I said I would have stopped by your Church if I was in the area. I've always wished I could sit down with someone who uses 8.5 and maybe learn something new from them.

Sincerely,

Bub

Not a problem BUB. 

Here is a link to what I used X1 for. 

I am directing the choir.  I used ALL tracks.   X1 is controlling everything.

6 DJ250 spots ( I painted them black - it looks cooler that way)  
2 Chauvet 400 static spots  these lights are in the rear balcony.  DMX is wonderful as it can run up to 200 feet without interference.
8 Chauvet BOBs  this is the faux fire you see coming out of the columns
2 Chauvet haze machines.
12 Chauvet LED Rain 64's
etc.....

I have an Axiom 61 in front of me that I used as a controller.  I also have a 24" monitor on the floor facing straight up to keep the audience from seeing it.  My PC is to the left behind the left curtian on the floor. 
Some songs had the bobs on, some had the christmas colum lights on. I changed colors and shapes and directions of the spots via MIDI to DMX. on separate channels(tracks)  in Sonar.

X1 controlled all of the lighting and effects and audio all night.

Photos

gtgarner
Some songs had the bobs on, some had the christmas colum lights on. I changed colors and shapes and directions of the spots via MIDI to DMX. on separate channels(tracks)  in Sonar. 

X1 controlled all of the lighting and effects and audio all night.

Photos

What's the lighting controller doing the MIDI-DMX translation? Sounds cool.

...wicked

gtgarner
Some songs had the bobs on, some had the christmas colum lights on. I changed colors and shapes and directions of the spots via MIDI to DMX. on separate channels(tracks)  in Sonar. 

X1 controlled all of the lighting and effects and audio all night.

Photos

What's the lighting controller doing the MIDI-DMX translation? Sounds cool.

I use Daslight.   I also use loopbe1 as the software converter

What is a non-segmented meter, how do you choose this option?

 
Preferences > Customization > Audio Meter
 
EDIT: Non-segmented meters save space because the indices are displayed inside the meter.

Brandon : thks for kimmin in .....tell us one thing , the question is not "does the gui is ok for most people" but why have you guyz decided to take off some that already excisted and been improved during all versions .....

My guess is that this was more work , hein ? if not , so it's even more , should i say it........stupid !

I would have understood if this feature never been in on the menu , but sonar was one of the most customizable daw ever ....

I just cheked the new DP video (dp wins the best 2011 daw stuff...blabla) and half of the new features are common in sonar since long time , and you know with feature excists a lot of cats : color scheme ...the poor guyz just discover it !!

And you guyz decide to be last decade , so .....

thegeek


I have seen fair complaints after X1's release, I have seen genuine frustrations, I have seen sincere thoughts, judgments, critics, I have seen rants but some posts in this forum have gone oh so far.......

I don't get it! I really don't! Sometimes it looks as if some people don't have anything better to do in their life (if they have a life at all) than post offensive messagfes at forums.

Also I don't quite understand one thing:

which one is the foolest:
a) a company which supposedly deceives, offends, misleads, lies to its customer
b)a customer who after continued offend, misleading, mischeived, over charged etc etc keeps bothering with that company by buying its products and posting to its forum

Jeeeeeesus, Christ! I dont know about you folks, but when I make up my mind that the restaurant I tried serves crappy food, the service is awfull and they overcharge for their food - hell I might yell the first time but guess what? I aint stepping through their door no more, maybe not even their negborhood - street


Jeeeeeeeeeeeesus!

I guess if in a time not so far away from now, we don't see ANY Baker around these forums, and if Cakewalk becomes indeed arrogant and adopts a "this is what you get, take it or leave it" attitude....they will seem much more of a "proffesional company" and I will totally blame it on the way some people "behave" so to speak in these forums.

once again, Jeeeeeeeeeeesus! This is getting totally silly and distracting for us users who don't have X1 yet! Having to read all these sorts of crappy comments and troll-ish complaints (not referring to genuine posts with problems about X1 which are indeed fair and helpfull for the rest of us here)

edit for clarification: actually referring to message no#31
the Op seemed like having a genuine question all be it a litle harsh

Why are you wasting your time reading and responding to all these messages. Don't you have anything better to do than be stupid.
 
For some of us sonar is a major tool in the kit. And the new version has had lots of the sockets welded to the ratchet, sorta like a spork. I want to use other sizes, but they don't exist.
 
Lost functionality, hidden stuff, denial of graphic design research,...
 
It don't matter how good it looks. Too much of it does not work for some of us.
 
"love it or leave it"   heard too much of that crap in the 60's.
 
Stop wasting your time.   But, at least posting about how you are tired of reading this stuff reveals a lot about who you are.

Lots of people want food that tastes good but has no nutritional value. Hence the of spread of type 2 diabetes.

I want it to work. Then get pretty. SX1 appears to be the opposite: get the lipstick on the pig and then decide how to keep it there disregarding the assumption that a pig is a good starting point.

We are back to Sonar 1, without configurable menus, without configurable tools, and restricted color choices,..

Easy on the eyes requires color variations that do not fatigue most of the brain at once. Looking for the red button is far faster than reading low contrast grey, which requires more brain cycles.

This is all been researched for decades.  It is called science. Way too much of it, which had been previously part of Sonar, was ignored.



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A demo that is created to demonstrate what SX1 can do proves what about how it is better than its predecessor?

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It is clear that with each new Adobe creator program Adobe did not remove prevous functionality.  CAD programs do not do this,.... It is understood these programs are at the base of many company's ability to function.

Sonar was meeting these high standards for years. SX1 does not.

You have to admit it?  Twisted arm???

What I infer from your statement is:
You have done nothing in SX1 that you could not do in S8.5.3.

Just because I can do most of the same stuff, it is a fact that some tools have been changed that increases the time to do stuff. This is at best a reduction of functionality.

jm24

thegeek


I have seen fair complaints after X1's release, I have seen genuine frustrations, I have seen sincere thoughts, judgments, critics, I have seen rants but some posts in this forum have gone oh so far.......

I don't get it! I really don't! Sometimes it looks as if some people don't have anything better to do in their life (if they have a life at all) than post offensive messagfes at forums.

Also I don't quite understand one thing:

which one is the foolest:
a) a company which supposedly deceives, offends, misleads, lies to its customer
b)a customer who after continued offend, misleading, mischeived, over charged etc etc keeps bothering with that company by buying its products and posting to its forum

Jeeeeeesus, Christ! I dont know about you folks, but when I make up my mind that the restaurant I tried serves crappy food, the service is awfull and they overcharge for their food - hell I might yell the first time but guess what? I aint stepping through their door no more, maybe not even their negborhood - street


Jeeeeeeeeeeeesus!

I guess if in a time not so far away from now, we don't see ANY Baker around these forums, and if Cakewalk becomes indeed arrogant and adopts a "this is what you get, take it or leave it" attitude....they will seem much more of a "proffesional company" and I will totally blame it on the way some people "behave" so to speak in these forums.

once again, Jeeeeeeeeeeesus! This is getting totally silly and distracting for us users who don't have X1 yet! Having to read all these sorts of crappy comments and troll-ish complaints (not referring to genuine posts with problems about X1 which are indeed fair and helpfull for the rest of us here)

edit for clarification: actually referring to message no#31
the Op seemed like having a genuine question all be it a litle harsh

Why are you wasting your time reading and responding to all these messages. Don't you have anything better to do than be stupid.
 
For some of us sonar is a major tool in the kit. And the new version has had lots of the sockets welded to the ratchet, sorta like a spork. I want to use other sizes, but they don't exist.
 
Lost functionality, hidden stuff, denial of graphic design research,...
 
It don't matter how good it looks. Too much of it does not work for some of us.
 
"love it or leave it"   heard too much of that crap in the 60's.
 
Stop wasting your time.   But, at least posting about how you are tired of reading this stuff reveals a lot about who you are.

Uhmmmm, I don't know what the hell has happened here, but Im quite sure my post wasn't referencing the post now shown as #31 so in retrospective, it seems quite offensive.  Other than that, I never said I prefer good looks from lost functionality.You have of course every right to complain about lost functionality...

But hey, in the end, buying a product you don't know for sure will fit your needs and not waiting for trial-demo and then complaining about it, even though righteous, it does sound stupid to me from an aware consumer of 2011 anyways! If all the dissatisfied customers of Cakewalk hadnt bought the next big version, I guess that would send a message 10000 posts in this forum can't. Still stupid? Im still waiting for the demo you know. And guess what, still no demo. ;)

This is in reply to an earlier post but does still apply.

I seem to remember that Originally SONAR did not have the ability to change aspects of the program such as color, contrast of fonts, etc., etc., then later after several versions it (the ability to change colors and other customizations) became a new feature offered in an update. Maybe it took a while to develop ?? Maybe there were other aspects of the computer code more important or that needed worked out first ??

I believe that Many more people like the look and the GUI color scheme than not. We sometimes forget that there are many users who do not visit the forum or post here. I know I didn't, for many years.

There are as many design styles and techniques as there are guitar techniques or photography techniques or whatever techniques or styles.To say one design style or technique is more or less effective than another is, just doesn't work in this world anymore.. It is a subjective world !!

Sometimes it's the constant search for "fresh" that we have to endure. The philosophy of;  the only way to "work out a look" anymore is to have an idea, throw it out, and see what happens. That's how it was probably done.

The design and look will evolve over time. It has to. And the best source of input is from users and buyers of the product. That takes time. I think Bryan (from Cakewalk) has said that a couple of times now. 

to jm24:

Ok Im too tired to answer to your accusations, insults, but anyway I HAVE to read CRAPPY comments if I want to gather information about a software Im planning on investing and there are CRAPPY comments in its users' forum, cant get any simpler. If you think Im calling "crappy" the genuine, well-written criticism about the software, you dont have a clue!

Also, I do possess two "balls" and two languages!