Also, you don't find Macs here and there in studio - you find them in the vast majority of pro recording studios.  They are simply the de facto standard. It has nothing to do w/ posing... When you have a studio full of analog equipment and a humongous mixing board, incredible rooms and a collection of mics to die for, you don't have to rely on your computer to impress the customers...

Anybody trying to "make a statement" as you put it would probably be using a PC and making commercials for Dell. ;) 

So, if I try to strike a pose with my humongous board, all my outboard gear, and my collection of antique neumans, I don't need to strike a pose with my laptop computer? Naw, can't let up like that...

2 iPhones & an iPad here.  However, contract on one phone is up in March and the other in December - that will be thend of those.  We'll keep the iPad - it's handy.  And we'll keep the iPhones for games & stuff for the grandbabies.

Updated to the last OS version last week.  2 good but the wifes phone began to drain the battery in less than 15 minutes.  Took it by th iStore Sat and felt sick seeing the crowd and lines of people waiting for more Koolaid (insert TM).

Was told I had to have a reservation - go to that line.  Wait, "it will be an 1 1/2 before we can get you to a tech."  Okay, "I'll be back"  Go home but had to wait 2 hours to transfer 800 pics to the computer (I hate iTunes!).  Oops missed appointment - "now it's a 2 hour wait to have a rep wipe and reload your phone)"  I'd rather buy a new phone.
 
Waited 'til Monday when there was only a third of the Koolaid drinkers present.  "Wait will be 2 1/2 hours." What?
 
Done with the phones.  The Koolaid is sweet but too much of anything will kill you.  The good book says "man cannot live on Macs alone."  Viva Amiga!

John T


I'm curious about this idea that Apple somehow get away with bad business practices that others don't. Because exactly the opposite is true. Pretty much every news report you read about the horrible conditions at Foxxconn refers to them as an Apple manufacturer. But in actual fact, Foxxconn make stuff for everyone. They're close to impossible to avoid if you've got any kind of consumer electronics.

I didn't say that the media lets Apple get away with bad business practices. Of course they report it. My point was that despite these reports, Apple's image among the kind of young progressive types who normally speak out against such things wasn't tainted at all. Of course this says more about the general hypocrisy and moral inconsistencies of those who flaunt their ideological colors only when it suits them. 

dubdisciple


it's the inevitable backlash. Apple bashers have becomes as unreasonably irrational as the cult of apple worship. As you have stated , Apple is no more guilty of exploitative business practices than anyone else. Doesn't make it any more or less right, but illustrates the perspective one will look at these issues from is highly based on pre-conceived notions and prone to selective outrage.

Nobody here is claiming that Apple is more guilty than anyone else when it comes to dicey business practices. The point was about the reaction of a certain demographic to such practices. If the stories were about workers at Microsoft suppliers being worked into suicide or burning their hands on corrosive chemicals used to make screens, the reaction would be a lot different. 


I live and work in New York city among the kind of "progressive" types who talk about this kind of stuff all the time. The outrage at Walmart after the Bangladesh fire was huge, and it just made them even more determined to oppose any idea of Walmart moving into NYC. Then there was the revelation that the CEO of trendy Whole Foods is a free market capitalist who opposes Obamacare. The outrage was pretty intense and there were calls to boycott WF. But only because they don't wear the WF brand like a badge of honor, and they can just go down the road to Trader Joe's, which is now seen as way hipper than the corporate Whole Foods. I just don't recall any such kind of political outrage at Apple. 


I'm not "bashing Apple" at all. I'm just questioning the motives of a certain slice of their demographic. But at the end of the day, they can buy whatever they want and boycott whatever they want. 

I mean, if you work with some actual real-life berks who actually do this, go and take it up with them. How many people are you talking about here? Four? Five? Ten?

John T


I mean, if you work with some actual real-life berks who actually do this, go and take it up with them. How many people are you talking about here? Four? Five? Ten?

I have taken it up with people, on multiple occasions. I either get crickets or swift evasions. 

btw, i meant spot on as far as the whole "smarter than the rest" portion. The whole jerkoff thing was mostly ignored by me.

dubdisciple


I think John T is spot on. If all of us held ourselves to the absolute moral standard that seems to appear whenever a particular company is the designated bad guy of the moment, we would buy nothing but handcrafted goods made from local certified labor using nothing but parts and raw materials somehow guaranteed to be free from exploitative practices. All of us to some degree or another is a "kool aid drinker", we just exercise a form of doublethink (yes, I'm an Orwell fan) that tells us that our thoughts are simply "the facts" as compared to the other guys who are clearly "drinking the kool aid".

I totally agree, my point was that the kind of people who think we should boycott such companies, remained largely silent when the same focus was put on Apple. 

sharke

John T


I'm curious about this idea that Apple somehow get away with bad business practices that others don't. Because exactly the opposite is true. Pretty much every news report you read about the horrible conditions at Foxxconn refers to them as an Apple manufacturer. But in actual fact, Foxxconn make stuff for everyone. They're close to impossible to avoid if you've got any kind of consumer electronics.

I didn't say that the media lets Apple get away with bad business practices. Of course they report it. My point was that despite these reports, Apple's image among the kind of young progressive types who normally speak out against such things wasn't tainted at all. Of course this says more about the general hypocrisy and moral inconsistencies of those who flaunt their ideological colors only when it suits them. 

Amen to that, brother. 

I wouldn't give you a nickel for most who call themselves progressive.. because they ain't. Sorta like most who call themselves libertarians - they ain't either.

political labels are funny. Most people I know pick the label they think sounds good, but typically violate the ever shifting core tenants of said position all the time. My ultra liberal tree hugging friend had no trouble finding an exception to her opposition to the death penalty for a particular child murderer. My former Glen Beck loving, tea partying boss is suddenly warming to aspects of Obamacare after receiving a huge medical bill. The massive levels of hypocrisy it takes to attempt 100% adherence to most ideologies is most likely to lead to eventual cognitive dissonance.

dubdisciple


political labels are funny. Most people I know pick the label they think sounds good, but typically violate the ever shifting core tenants of said position all the time. My ultra liberal tree hugging friend had no trouble finding an exception to her opposition to the death penalty for a particular child murderer. My former Glen Beck loving, tea partying boss is suddenly warming to aspects of Obamacare after receiving a huge medical bill. The massive levels of hypocrisy it takes to attempt 100% adherence to most ideologies is most likely to lead to eventual cognitive dissonance.

Methinks the right is seriously reconsidering the TP, I mean, sure they're reliable, but everybody else finds them distasteful, regular conservatives included. Obama's is policy-wise somewhere to the right of Reagan, and what to do? Be oppositional for opposition's sake? That won't work... 2016 is going to be hella interesting for both parties!

SuperG

dubdisciple


political labels are funny. Most people I know pick the label they think sounds good, but typically violate the ever shifting core tenants of said position all the time. My ultra liberal tree hugging friend had no trouble finding an exception to her opposition to the death penalty for a particular child murderer. My former Glen Beck loving, tea partying boss is suddenly warming to aspects of Obamacare after receiving a huge medical bill. The massive levels of hypocrisy it takes to attempt 100% adherence to most ideologies is most likely to lead to eventual cognitive dissonance.

Methinks the right is seriously reconsidering the TP, I mean, sure they're reliable, but everybody else finds them distasteful, regular conservatives included. Obama's is policy-wise somewhere to the right of Reagan, and what to do? Be oppositional for opposition's sake? That won't work... 2016 is going to be hella interesting for both parties!

I don't find the TP "distasteful" at all. In fact in many respects they were very similar to Occupy Wall St, only without the Marxist BS, fighting with police, smelly shanty towns, rapes, murders etc. Of course the media did their best to portray them all as racist Christians who want to throw poor people onto a large bonfire etc. 

The tea party, like occupy wall street, have nobody but their own members to blame. We live in a world with more media outlets than ever and it's a given that everything is sensationalized and biased. Knowing that,it is more important than ever to weed out the nutjobs that will hog the spotlight and make dumb statements and actions. I have met thoughtful TP folks and unfortunately I have met the racist stereotypical ones too. More reason to focus on other things than politics. In fact, I am sure this thread will get closed if we don't stear it back towards music. lol

dubdisciple


The tea party, like occupy wall street, have nobody but their own members to blame. We live in a world with more media outlets than ever and it's a given that everything is sensationalized and biased. Knowing that,it is more important than ever to weed out the nutjobs that will hog the spotlight and make dumb statements and actions. I have met thoughtful TP folks and unfortunately I have met the racist stereotypical ones too. More reason to focus on other things than politics. In fact, I am sure this thread will get closed if we don't stear it back towards music. lol

Of course there's nutjobs in every political movement. But I've also seen videos of Tea Party events in which lone racist nutjobs were quickly shouted down and told to leave. I did spend some time wandering around the OWS camp in New York when that was at full swing, and it just seemed like nut jobs were ten a penny there. Some of them very openly antisemitic, and there was a lot of talk about violent revolution. I'd been told that it was a totally unpartisan movement that was neither left nor right, but the only literature I saw passed around was of the old school Marxist/socialist/open borders element. I also noticed that the media made an attempt to focus on the nutjob element of the Tea Party, while playing down the same element in OWS. 

Oh, and for the record, as if it matters or anyone cares, I do all my video editing on my friends win7 64 machine that I built for him. Works great. Unfortunately my xp machine can't handle hd video.