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2017/03/06 23:21:38 (permalink)

Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website?

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On the basis that Cakewalk has chosen silence, I would like someone who is in charge respond to my question. I know there are lots of rumors about Mac version but as a loyal customer, it is our right to know what's going on. No one from Bakery has not explained since they took the advertise out from the website.  The advertise about Mac version and lifetime update tempted most of us to pay money and use this chance to have the free version in the feature before its gone. 
I respect to all points of view but this time I really want someone who is in charge responds this thread.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 07:02:58 (permalink)
As much as I am a die-hard Cakewalk Fanboy, I agree with you on this one. Cakewalk seriously seems to have dodged responsibility here. I even convinced some of my clients to invest in SPLAT based on the MacPromise (is that a new burger with no filling?..) :O)

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 18:32:04 (permalink)
I have zero interest in seeing SONAR ported to MacOS, but it surprises me that:
a) they would announce this plan so prominently if the product were not in active development
b) that any potential user in this day and age would invest in vaporware.
 
I expect we will eventually see such a product, but I am not clear when it was said that it will be free to Windows version subscribers.
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 19:30:48 (permalink)
A Sonar OS X Alpha thread is 
still  pinned in the Sonar forum ,see :
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Lifetime-Updates-and-SONAR-OS-X-Alpha-m3429473.aspx
 
So it´s not complete removed from Cakewalk webside.
 
This and several hinds of the cakewalk team in the forum
(the last I noticed in dec 16 )
that big things are in development and are short before a release 
confirm imo that it´s not much time til an alpha release.
 
I think that it is not good that the bakers are announcing an alpha release
for the fall and still no  post about the  actual development state in the end of the wintertime.
 
This gives to much space for  speculations.
 
post edited by Pragi - 2017/03/07 20:06:42
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 19:47:21 (permalink)
For whatever reason is, They should at least let us know whats going on.
It would be funny if no one in charge replays to this thread ...
I don't really care about alpha or beta version. I really want to know why bakery hasn't responded to any of the thread and questions that users asked. 
One topic regarding this question wouldn't bother Cakewalk to make all the respective clients happy. 

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 20:51:09 (permalink)
The brutal truth is often better than a well intended lie. So much is saved in life by that simple approach.

I personally have no vested interest in this yet still find silence unnerving.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 21:12:07 (permalink)
slartabartfast
but I am not clear when it was said that it will be free to Windows version subscribers.


From the FAQ

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I own SONAR Platinum, Professional, or Artist today. If and when SONAR becomes commercially available on OS X, will I need to purchase a new license?
No. You will be provided a new installer for your license of SONAR Artist, Professional, or Platinum. You do not need to purchase a new license.
"

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 23:07:33 (permalink)
I must agree that it is time for Cakewalk to say something about this.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 23:14:10 (permalink)
Maybe the more they played with it the more they thought the mac sucked - like my wife, who lusted over them until she got to work on enough of them to realize she didn't want one anymore - whew, that was a close one. Now she has a ASUS Zenbook that feels like an air book.
 
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/07 23:52:41 (permalink)
DELETED with humble apologies.
It was late. The wordplay seemed funny at the time.
The inappropriate aspect only dawned on me later.
No more dumb jokes from me. Lesson learned.
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 00:54:08 (permalink)
Thems fightin' words Petersen.
 
Sorry, I got the joke!
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 02:44:53 (permalink)
But I think that kind of advertisement was the best way to absorb and tempt the users to buy lifetime update. Other than why cakewalk advertised both mac version and lifetime update together? I personally was encouraged by that kind of advertising and convinced to pay for lifetime update and mac version.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 03:28:22 (permalink)
Porting an application with a huge code base like Sonar isn't a quick job. I suspect that's why Cakewalk haven't done it before now. They were obviously confident enough that they can do it (not just code, but infrastructure, marketing etc) that they announced they were doing it publically in the first place. However, it will be a huge undertaking that has to be done at the same time as doing the continued development and monthly updates for the windows version as well as plugins etc. So they announced an alpha version last fall, and you expect a beta or final release already? I agree that they could probably be more forthcoming with updates to their customers. On the other hand, they won't want to give too many details away their competitors, and going silent before big news or a release is a good way of surprising the market and getting bigger marketing impact. I don't agree they we are owed any information about it.
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 07:13:13 (permalink)
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Porting an application with a huge code base like Sonar isn't a quick job. I suspect that's why Cakewalk haven't done it before now. They were obviously confident enough that they can do it (not just code, but infrastructure, marketing etc) that they announced they were doing it publically in the first place. However, it will be a huge undertaking that has to be done at the same time as doing the continued development and monthly updates for the windows version as well as plugins etc. So they announced an alpha version last fall, and you expect a beta or final release already? I agree that they could probably be more forthcoming with updates to their customers. On the other hand, they won't want to give too many details away their competitors, and going silent before big news or a release is a good way of surprising the market and getting bigger marketing impact. I  

I agree that the bakers don´t have to inform us
about every single stage of the development of Sonar Os x.
But the bakers didn´t  announce an alpha version last fall,
it was announced last  summer for an alpha release in fall.
 
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 08:21:39 (permalink)
I don't think anybody expects Beta version. The only thing we need just a simple update that says why they didn't release the alpha in fall. That's it. No further information. 

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 09:09:38 (permalink)
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slartabartfast
but I am not clear when it was said that it will be free to Windows version subscribers.


From the FAQ

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I own SONAR Platinum, Professional, or Artist today. If and when SONAR becomes commercially available on OS X, will I need to purchase a new license?
No. You will be provided a new installer for your license of SONAR Artist, Professional, or Platinum. You do not need to purchase a new license.
"

Source:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Lifetime-Updates-and-SONAR-OS-X-Alpha-m3429473.aspx?tree=true




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but I am not clear when it was said that it will be free to Windows version subscribers.


From the FAQ

"
I own SONAR Platinum, Professional, or Artist today. If and when SONAR becomes commercially available on OS X, will I need to purchase a new license?
No. You will be provided a new installer for your license of SONAR Artist, Professional, or Platinum. You do not need to purchase a new license.
"

Source:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Lifetime-Updates-and-SONAR-OS-X-Alpha-m3429473.aspx?tree=true




So if I own a license to SONAR that I obtained as a result of paying for a 12 month membership that expired 18 months ago (a valid current license but no active membership) I will get an installer for the Mac OS version. I doubt that is the case, but that is what is being stated in that FAQ.
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 10:51:24 (permalink)
when it was first announced, there was no mention of a MAC version.
Im sure you all remember the buzz it created when they said "There is a major announcement".
Sonar Lifetime updates. MAC wasn't even mentioned until about a month later.
 
I understand the need for answers but I find pushing on these issues tend to rub the company the wrong way.
For example has anyone seen the "New features coming" on the cakewalk products page ?
Its the same old "Ripple editing" and "Comping features" that has been there since November/December.
 
Cakewalk is probably asking themselves "Is it really a good idea to let users know of our future plans when all they do is hold it against us in the form of accountability" ?
 
So while I do agree with most of what everyone here is saying, IMO I believe we sunk our own ships.
We wont be hearing about future updates anymore. We will simply get them when they are released.
Which is a shame really because I think Cakewalk was throwing out new ideas to gauge how users would respond. But instead of responding we pretty much used it as a leverage tool for "Where's our stuff".
Im not talking about just the MAC version either, im taking about new features as well like Ripple editing, comping enhancements, exc.
 
What cakewalk promised was an Alpha version. That is not something anyone can do serious work on.
That is a version that developers generally test the software using white-box techniques.
Also noted in the announcement was the Alpha version can’t run AU plug-ins, or talk to custom interface drivers only Core Audio devices will work.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 11:23:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/03/08 17:07:36
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when it was first announced, there was no mention of a MAC version.
 



 
Actually I thought they were all announced together. Sonar for Life, Sonar for you, and Sonar For Mac or some such hype. I remember not giving a damn about the mac version and thinking it was a good idea to announce them together to placate the long term windows Sonarites:)
 
Fwiw Someone from Cakewalk posted in a response on the facebook announcement of 2017-02 saying there was an announcement re the Mac version due 'in the coming weeks'.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 12:34:29 (permalink)
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Porting an application with a huge code base like Sonar isn't a quick job. I suspect that's why Cakewalk haven't done it before now. They were obviously confident enough that they can do it (not just code, but infrastructure, marketing etc) that they announced they were doing it publically in the first place. However, it will be a huge undertaking that has to be done at the same time as doing the continued development and monthly updates for the windows version as well as plugins etc. So they announced an alpha version last fall, and you expect a beta or final release already? I agree that they could probably be more forthcoming with updates to their customers. On the other hand, they won't want to give too many details away their competitors, and going silent before big news or a release is a good way of surprising the market and getting bigger marketing impact. I  

I agree that the bakers don´t have to inform us
about every single stage of the development of Sonar Os x.
But the bakers didn´t  announce an alpha version last fall,
it was announced last  summer for an alpha release in fall.
 
regards
 
 


And was it hailed as a public alpha? Alpha versions are normally the very first version which gets tested rigorously in-house by the developers and a select few. How do you know it wasn't released?
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 12:37:48 (permalink)
chuckebaby
when it was first announced, there was no mention of a MAC version.
Im sure you all remember the buzz it created when they said "There is a major announcement".
Sonar Lifetime updates. MAC wasn't even mentioned until about a month later.
 
I understand the need for answers but I find pushing on these issues tend to rub the company the wrong way.
For example has anyone seen the "New features coming" on the cakewalk products page ?
Its the same old "Ripple editing" and "Comping features" that has been there since November/December.
 
Cakewalk is probably asking themselves "Is it really a good idea to let users know of our future plans when all they do is hold it against us in the form of accountability" ?
 
So while I do agree with most of what everyone here is saying, IMO I believe we sunk our own ships.
We wont be hearing about future updates anymore. We will simply get them when they are released.
Which is a shame really because I think Cakewalk was throwing out new ideas to gauge how users would respond. But instead of responding we pretty much used it as a leverage tool for "Where's our stuff".
Im not talking about just the MAC version either, im taking about new features as well like Ripple editing, comping enhancements, exc.
 
What cakewalk promised was an Alpha version. That is not something anyone can do serious work on.
That is a version that developers generally test the software using white-box techniques.
Also noted in the announcement was the Alpha version can’t run AU plug-ins, or talk to custom interface drivers only Core Audio devices will work.


As far as upcoming features go, I suspect Cakewalk have realised that it's not too clever to be giving that information out where their competitors can see it! I think that's why the upcoming features are not getting updated.
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 13:20:36 (permalink)

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 14:25:14 (permalink)
The NUMBER ONE rule of Public Relations is "Never announce your intentions, ONLY announce your accomplishments." It boggles the mind that no one at Cakewalk knows that, or maybe they have just forgotten it? Either way, it is a lot of egg on the face that could have been in the oven.. by now.. so to speak...

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 14:31:10 (permalink)
generating hype and anticipation ahead of something is quite common in marketing

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 14:35:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/03/11 01:43:59
Only if you can back it up.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 14:38:32 (permalink)
well, there is that...

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 14:45:17 (permalink)
Cakewalk's continued silence on this subject is one the reasons I am learning Reaper.
This is not the right way to treat your customers.
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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 15:22:52 (permalink)
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here's the hype from last summer http://www.soundonsound.com/news/free-sonar-os-x-alpha-coming-autumn


something strange with the published date of that article (it says: Published 1/6/16)

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 15:32:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/03/08 18:30:44
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pwalpwal
here's the hype from last summer http://www.soundonsound.com/news/free-sonar-os-x-alpha-coming-autumn


something strange with the published date of that article (it says: Published 1/6/16)


that'll be european for june 1st 2016 ;-)

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 15:35:33 (permalink)
Who are you to make such a demand with the expectation of getting a response? This is a peer to peer forum. If you want an answer the better route might be to send a PM to Noel.

It should be obvious that the alpha version is not ready. Explaining why might be crossing the line of business confidentiality that Cakewalk doesn't want to do at this time. If they weren't going to go ahead with it they would have made an announcement about that for sure.

Cakewalk made it clear when they made the announcement that the Mac market was huge so I doubt they're just going to throw that potential out without giving it their best shot.

It will be ready when it's ready. Cakewalk is a company that makes and sells software but I don't think we are owed any explanation.

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Re: Why Cakewalk removed all the mac info from the website? 2017/03/08 15:37:46 (permalink)
it's not clear who you are replying to, mike?

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