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Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
I've been a Cakewalk customer since Cakewalk for DOS. I've produced 11 albums, soundtracks for games, multimedia, animation, film, TV, dance companies, concerts, and have written music for companies such as Atari, Nintendo, Warner-Brothers/Lorimar, Lucasfilm games, Broderbund software and many others. I have currently been using Sonar 7 since its release. I have downloaded the trial version of X1 and have been patiently reading all of the comments by other users. I'd like to purchase X1 so I can run a new sound library I'd like to use. But I cannot. My own experience with the trial version is that it has some bugs that are just too obvious, many have been mentioned here so I won't go over them. But the reports I am reading about MIDI timing bugs really alarm me because that kind of issue will bring my business to a close. This is the first time I have decided not to upgrade for this reason. I can live with a few, insignificant bugs, all programs behave strangely from time to time. But in my professional experience, X1 is still not ready for professional use. I've tested it on two machines, the graphics re-drawing of screensets is a constant problem, the NOW time playback display is choppy, and of course MIDI playback issues are the dealbreaker for me. I really hope Cakewalk proves to be responsive to these issues and allows me to upgrade to another version of Sonar. Time will tell..... Jerry www.jerrygerber.com/fivepiecesforvi1.htm
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
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At the heart of all this is a question of a basic philosophy: namely, who is Sonar aimed at? If it's for the professional user, its prime goal must be stability. Most of the peripheral features that Cakewalk use to sell its products have work-arounds that the pro user will know and revert to if necessary (many of us could go back to tape at the drop of a hat). This argument that, "Sonar X1 is a great step forward and will get it right eventually", is like saying, "This is a great electric screwdriver design and eventually, in time, we'll have it screwing screws properly". It's simply not a screwdriver to someone who's trying to make a living. If it's now to be aimed at the home enthusiast who gains enjoyment from beta-testing, please let us know so the professional users don't waste time and money and can switch to S1 or some app that is. I feel particularly irritated by X1 as I have spent several weeks tweaking and key-binding and farting around only to be forced back to where I was previously through issues of instability and unreliability. Apart from any legal issues re the misrepresenting of a retail product, surely Cakewalk must have some pride in selling a quality app? This involves testing before selling - surely? Anyway, I'm back with Sonar 8.3.1 and all's well again. Apart from anything else, I dont have battleship grey to stare at all day. This is from one of Cakewalk's longest and most loyal customers. Rave over!
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 16:40:46
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jsgI've tested it on two machines, the graphics re-drawing of screensets is a constant problem, the NOW time playback display is choppy, and of course MIDI playback issues are the dealbreaker for me. I won't try to argue the general point that that X1 still has too many issues for professional use, but the three you mention are not pervasive, and I believe all are avoidable with configuration changes. IIRC, some folks had screeset redraw issues due to SONAR doing a seek on an unused floppy drive controller. Disabling the unused controller solved the problem, and the cause may since have been addressed in a patch/quickfix. Choppy Now time is a new one on me, other than when users inadvertently enable CPU conservation mode with the Pause button. The only MIDI playback issue I know of that is not 3rd-party hardware- or software-specific is the empty buffer that Bitbridge adds when rendering some 32-bit synths in a 64-bit environment. Using Jbridge for those few (?) synths solves the problem.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 16:50:40
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I'm Right with you both. I did purchase X1 producer and have had nothing but issues and questions. One of the main goals for X1 was to increase work flow. Right off the bat a lot of the shortcut keys have changed and I've spent so much time trying to learn them. (Decrease in work flow). Why couldn't they stay the same as the previous versions? Midi is a definite issue too!
I find myself gun shy to start out a project in X1 so I go back to old faithful 8.5. Especially with new clients.
I will say however that I do like the X1 console for mix down. The prochannels aren't bad either however I'm still fond of my Waves plugins. (The SSL stuff). I have been doing all of my work in 8.5 and then opening it up in X1 for mix down. That seems to be working for me.
Wish I could do it all in X1 but not yet.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 16:58:19
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I'd like to purchase X1 so I can run a new sound library I'd like to use. I'm an 8.5 holdout, too. That's mainly because X1 simply offers me no compelling reason to migrate. But if there was a library that I couldn't run without X1, I'd consider that pretty compelling. It's why I broke down and upgraded Kontakt. However, I've yet to encounter any third party synth, library or effect that required X1 to run (other than ProChannel). I'd be curious to know what library you're referring to, Jerry.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 17:04:12
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Neither one of my computers has a floppy controller, so that cannot be the issue with screen redraws of screensets, also the trial version I have is 1b build 8, so it is current.
The choppy now time during audio playback (midi is OK) is not a result of the pause feature, already checked that out.
brundlefly
IIRC, some folks had screeset redraw issues due to SONAR doing a seek on an unused floppy drive controller. Disabling the unused controller solved the problem, and the cause may since have been addressed in a patch/quickfix.
Choppy Now time is a new one on me, other than when users inadvertently enable CPU conservation mode with the Pause button.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 17:14:46
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Wirenut
I'm Right with you both. I did purchase X1 producer and have had nothing but issues and questions. One of the main goals for X1 was to increase work flow. Right off the bat a lot of the shortcut keys have changed and I've spent so much time trying to learn them. (Decrease in work flow). Why couldn't they stay the same as the previous versions? Midi is a definite issue too!
Sorry to hear you are not feeling completely comfortable yet.
You could of course revert back to the old key commands. The reason the key commands were changed is that the scheme in previous versions just didn't make any logical sense for the most part. It might have been comfortable once you learned it, but it certainly wasn't logical (again for the most part). For some users, a hybrid of old/new key commands might be the best bet. I find myself gun shy to start out a project in X1 so I go back to old faithful 8.5. Especially with new clients.
I will say however that I do like the X1 console for mix down. The prochannels aren't bad either however I'm still fond of my Waves plugins. (The SSL stuff). I have been doing all of my work in 8.5 and then opening it up in X1 for mix down. That seems to be working for me.
Wish I could do it all in X1 but not yet.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 18:24:36
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How much video ram do you have on your video card? 1gb is recommended.
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2011/06/14 18:32:33
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Obviously, different people have different experiences, but since we're having a "Pro's can't use this" thread, I'd like to throw in for the record that all my paid audio work has been done in X1 since about February with no issues. That's a couple of mixes of tracks I was given, a couple of new tracks from scratch, some TV audio and an ongoing film soundtrack job.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 19:55:30
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How much video ram do you have on your video card? 1gb is recommended.
I've tested it on a machine with 512MB of video RAM, and 6GB RAM. Where did you read that 1GB video ram is recommended? I cannot find that information on the system requirement section on the Cakewalk site, nor can I find it in the X1 manual... Jerry www.jerrygerber.com/fivepiecesforvi1.htm
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 23:11:24
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YAWN....So don't buy it. Who cares?
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 23:32:22
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jsg
I've been a Cakewalk customer since Cakewalk for DOS. I've produced 11 albums, soundtracks for games, multimedia, animation, film, TV, dance companies, concerts, and have written music for companies such as Atari, Nintendo, Warner-Brothers/Lorimar, Lucasfilm games, Broderbund software and many others. I have currently been using Sonar 7 since its release.
I have downloaded the trial version of X1 and have been patiently reading all of the comments by other users. I'd like to purchase X1 so I can run a new sound library I'd like to use. But I cannot. My own experience with the trial version is that it has some bugs that are just too obvious, many have been mentioned here so I won't go over them. But the reports I am reading about MIDI timing bugs really alarm me because that kind of issue will bring my business to a close.
This is the first time I have decided not to upgrade for this reason. I can live with a few, insignificant bugs, all programs behave strangely from time to time. But in my professional experience, X1 is still not ready for professional use. I've tested it on two machines, the graphics re-drawing of screensets is a constant problem, the NOW time playback display is choppy, and of course MIDI playback issues are the dealbreaker for me.
I really hope Cakewalk proves to be responsive to these issues and allows me to upgrade to another version of Sonar. Time will tell.....
Jerry
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Thanks for the very interesting post, JSG - Apparently some people can glibly say in response, "who cares, don't buy it," but I think it's significant that a person with your track record is in accord with those of us who think that X1 is an astonishingly bad piece of software. I'm with David "Bitflipper," in that I still use 8.5 so I can get my freakin' act on. I bought X1, it's on my machine, but after too many hours of trying to make it be a workable app, it simply isn't, and I'm just glad I'm not one of the poor folk who for some reason immediately uninstalled 8.5 when they bought X1, assuming it would be a good step up. I'll never understand why Cakewalk went so postal with their program, gutting out the good, replacing it with a ridiculous set of arcane menus and an equally pathetic interface - I feel, despite the hype that X1 is "The most popular version of Cakewalk ever!!!"-- that it could, unfortunately, mark the demise of a once great, pioneering company. Randy B.
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2011/06/14 23:45:32
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jsg
I've been a Cakewalk customer since Cakewalk for DOS. I've produced 11 albums, soundtracks for games, multimedia, animation, film, TV, dance companies, concerts, and have written music for companies such as Atari, Nintendo, Warner-Brothers/Lorimar, Lucasfilm games, Broderbund software and many others. I have currently been using Sonar 7 since its release.
I have downloaded the trial version of X1 and have been patiently reading all of the comments by other users. I'd like to purchase X1 so I can run a new sound library I'd like to use. But I cannot. My own experience with the trial version is that it has some bugs that are just too obvious, many have been mentioned here so I won't go over them. But the reports I am reading about MIDI timing bugs really alarm me because that kind of issue will bring my business to a close.
This is the first time I have decided not to upgrade for this reason. I can live with a few, insignificant bugs, all programs behave strangely from time to time. But in my professional experience, X1 is still not ready for professional use. I've tested it on two machines, the graphics re-drawing of screensets is a constant problem, the NOW time playback display is choppy, and of course MIDI playback issues are the dealbreaker for me.
I really hope Cakewalk proves to be responsive to these issues and allows me to upgrade to another version of Sonar. Time will tell.....
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com/fivepiecesforvi1.htm
Thanks for the very interesting post, JSG - Apparently some people can glibly say in response, "who cares, don't buy it," but I think it's significant that a person with your track record is in accord with those of us who think that X1 is an astonishingly bad piece of software. I'm with David "Bitflipper," in that I still use 8.5 so I can get my freakin' act on.
I bought X1, it's on my machine, but after too many hours of trying to make it be a workable app, it simply isn't, and I'm just glad I'm not one of the poor folk who for some reason immediately uninstalled 8.5 when they bought X1, assuming it would be a good step up.
I'll never understand why Cakewalk went so postal with their program, gutting out the good, replacing it with a ridiculous set of arcane menus and an equally pathetic interface - I feel, despite the hype that X1 is "The most popular version of Cakewalk ever!!!"-- that it could, unfortunately, mark the demise of a once great, pioneering company.
Randy B.
Randy, I honestly do not think X1 is a bad piece of software. I think the programmers at Cakewalk are very creative, very smart people. I think X1 simply needs more stability, reliability and testing. I am hoping it is done by the end of summer. I actually like things about X1, the interface is, well, simpler and easier on the eye. But obviously, a program designed to create and produce music must be a lot more than just easy on the eye and have a GUI that is simple, in the best sense. All of the functions evolved from earlier Sonar versions are there. It just needs to be developed into a robust, reliable platform that does what it is advertised to do and what it is intended to do. They've committed themselves this far, it makes no sense to not work out the bugs at this stage of the game. Jerry www.jerrygerber.com/thegalaxies.htm
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/14 23:51:22
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jsg:
For the slow switching of screensets, here's an article you might find useful: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013218
Yeah, that is not the issue with me. There is no floppy disc controller in the device manager of both of the computers I tested it on. Besides, the screen redraw issues involve screensets that do NOT have the browser as part of the screenset. Must be another reason... Jerry
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 04:01:21
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It's taken me a long time to come round, but I actually like the new interface and a lot of the new features. But like many others I was very annoyed at having some tried and tested features changed or banished sometimes accompanied by CW responses along the line of "Trust us, it's better this way, get with the program!".
The plethora of real bugs was unforgiveable and it was a hard lesson for CW, I'm sure. The launch of what could have been a giant killer was badly hobbled. I'm sure a pretty big X1c is imminent which will sort out another shed load of problems and then X1 should be able to sail into less choppy waters. From my point of view Sonar is still a DAW I feel most comfortable with.
All that said, I'm a hobbysit and have tremendous sympathy with someone like the OP who is earning their living with DAW software and needs total reliability.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 06:04:03
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I've got both and run both (X1 and 8.5)
X1 will still not open 8.5 projects with complete reliability, so those will be finished off in 8.5.
For new projects, I have had no serious issues with X1 and like many other members, I actually quite like the new interface.
Remembering 2 sets of commands can be a bit taxing on this aging memory, but what the hell.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 07:04:58
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Who are these supposedly "pro" people who only know how to use one program anyway? Doesn't sound very pro to me, frankly.
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2011/06/15 12:12:36
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...I'll never understand why Cakewalk went so postal with their program, gutting out the good, replacing it with a ridiculous set of arcane menus and an equally pathetic interface - I feel, despite the hype that X1 is "The most popular version of Cakewalk ever!!!"-- that it could, unfortunately, mark the demise of a once great, pioneering company.
Randy B.
...DEFINITELY... ...SONAR needed (some) improvements, not revolution... ...the FACT that MANY of us, after 6 months of X1 by now, are experiencing the (urgent) feel to go back and stick to v8.5, at least for some important aspects about workflow, is a strong indication of which Cakewalk should care....
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rbowser
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...I'll never understand why Cakewalk went so postal with their program, gutting out the good, replacing it with a ridiculous set of arcane menus and an equally pathetic interface - I feel, despite the hype that X1 is "The most popular version of Cakewalk ever!!!"-- that it could, unfortunately, mark the demise of a once great, pioneering company.
Randy B.
...DEFINITELY...
...SONAR needed (some) improvements, not revolution...
...the FACT that MANY of us, after 6 months of X1 by now, are experiencing the (urgent) feel to go back to v8.5, at least for some important aspects, is a strong indication of which Cakewalk should care....
MANY? That's just ridiculous. I've counted like 5 people on this forum. Maybe a dozen tops... That's not really a cross section of the SONAR user base by any means. You guys are in absolute hysterics.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 13:31:31
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I don't think "many" is an exaggeration.
The vast majority of experienced SONAR users do not comment at all on this forum, so among that demographic the forum is definitely not "a cross section of the SONAR user base".
However, the forum represents a much higher percentage of new users because they naturally come here for information and guidance at the steepest part of the learning curve. Some stick around and join the online community, but most do not. New users are less likely to have a basis for comparison. As long as they can figure out the program, they're happy.
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2011/06/15 13:48:46
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That's an assumption, though. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether that actually is the case or not.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 13:55:23
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I gotta say that I do not post if I'm happy. Look at my history. Since I bought 8 I've barely visited this forum!
I am now posting and viewing because I'm coming back over and over to see if Cakewalk has possibly changed the shortcut keys, or put in S8-style toolbars, given us new GUI colour options so I don't have to manually change everything and waste my time.
I'm not too concerned with stability because I waited for most of the bugs to be worked out (I think). Usually that stuff is system-based and can be configured to work properly (usually... not always!). But my initially toying around with X1 leads me think my workflow would be thrown for a loop.
So my point is that I would not have made the purchase if I knew back then what I know now.
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fooman....shhhhh....you don't exist
this program is fine....move along.....
nothing to see here......
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I don't think "many" is an exaggeration.
The vast majority of experienced SONAR users do not comment at all on this forum, so among that demographic the forum is definitely not "a cross section of the SONAR user base".
However, the forum represents a much higher percentage of new users because they naturally come here for information and guidance at the steepest part of the learning curve. Some stick around and join the online community, but most do not. New users are less likely to have a basis for comparison. As long as they can figure out the program, they're happy.
It's not the new users complaining about having to re-learn their hot keys or menus being moved, while never even bothering to look at the key bindings and load the legacy key set. It's not the new users threatening Cakewalk to fix non-bugs because they refuse to learn something new. It's not new users who are going back to 8.5 and then telling all their friends to never buy Cakewalk products ever again. It's not the new users complaining that their 6 year old PC can't run a modern piece of software. It's like watching a bunch of Star Trek nerds arguing how the Enterprise A is conclusively better than the Enterprise D. The best part is watching them get red in the face when not everyone agrees with their opinion as being the holy gospel.
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 14:21:33
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It's like watching a bunch of Star Trek nerds arguing how the Enterprise A is conclusively better than the Enterprise D. I've never been to a Trekker Convention. How was it?
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 14:26:14
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Every first issue of a numbered version of Sonar has been mostly beta software. Hence the many updates.
Now, I think, we are past the point of updates for this numbered version.
We got 4 updates, about 1 per month, for 8.5, and then waited 10 months for the X series to begin. I think the latest update was for version 4 cuz a gapping issue delayed release for nearly 3 months, meaning all the other fixes were also delayed.
The new keymapping makes most sense with the new FUI, given the assumptions of reliance upon screensets and the (restricted functions) smart tools.
I just installed Office 2010 on my main computer to better support clients. Outlook is grey-on-grey ugly (difficult to read), and the unconfigurable ribbon/command bar is now everywhere. AND: more clicks to do what used to be quick: my favorite reading pane toggle button has been replace with a 2 click drop multi choice menu, a waste of time. It somehow "improves" my ability to choose, every time.
The computers I have now are at least 10,0000 times as fast as my first computers. And yet MS, and others, have increased the user's time for input and effectiveness with the Vista/7/ribbon paradigm. With the unfortunate result of way too many followers doing the same.
And for the most ironic bit: The new hardware form-factor is ...... the tablet/slate, with reduce screen size: ohhhhh how I look forward to MS office and Sonar X using half the screen with the FUI command ribbons.
"Stupid is as Stupid does." Hightly educated people often act very stupidly when having commited to that which is not initially reasonable. (I.e.,, reducing the flexibility of the smart tool. Obviously no adult was paying attention.)
Don't get me started!
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 14:28:48
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John T
Who are these supposedly "pro" people who only know how to use one program anyway? Doesn't sound very pro to me, frankly.
Jack of All Trades, Master of None syndrome. Redundancy is not a substitute for knowledge, imagination and craft. What someone can "do" with Pro Tools, Cubase, Digital Performer, Logic, etc. I can do with one program. Jerry
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Re:Why I Really Want To Get X1 But Will Not Do So
2011/06/15 14:43:44
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I don't think "knowing Sonar really well" is much of a trade, really. Composing, engineering... these are trades. Everyone's going to have their preferred gear, of course. But if the preferred gear not being to hand is a real showstopper, then that's a bit of a limitation, really. When I used to do live sound for mainly unsigned bands, you'd have to get in the venue, look at what gear was there, and get the show on the road, whether you were familiar with it or not. I've come to see DAWs for studio work much the same way, myself.
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