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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 18:54:14
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] Yup, Rex files are indeed supported under x64. That's a very significant improvement. Now you have my attention.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 19:40:17
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Yeah I'm just curious why we don't have all the features from X3 available yet in X1. It's only 24 months away after all. Why are you making us a product that's 2 years old 2 years in the future?
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 20:17:40
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Would be cool to know if old way of inserting (right click) fx , synth is still working ..... one thing i find cool in PT is the ability to change plugin from a plugin (lets' say i have a sonitus comp , i click on a specific menu on it to insert another plugin instead !!)...that would be great .... For me , if the audio engine is at least as good as 8.5 , it's great , just hope that all that gui doesn't slow or taxes too much the baby
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 20:18:49
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Zo Would be cool to know if old way of inserting (right click) fx , synth is still working ..... one thing i find cool in PT is the ability to change plugin from a plugin (lets' say i have a sonitus comp , i click on a specific menu on it to insert another plugin instead !!)...that would be great .... For me , if the audio engine is at least as good as 8.5 , it's great , just hope that all that gui doesn't slow or taxes too much the baby You can still right-click to add an effect.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 23:12:06
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SvenArne Looks beautiful! Any chance you could bundle it with a 27" monitor? I get the creeping feeling my 19" won't cut it with this one... Sven I think you are right. I don't think my 24" will cut it either!
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 23:33:10
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Go dual baby. You won't regret it :-)
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/02 05:19:14
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Go 2560 *1600 the new Dell U3011 only costs as much as 14 Sonar X1 upgrades
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/02 06:01:27
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Brandon, are there any improvements or bug fixes to ACT, especially w/r/t multiple ACT devices? There are a few annoying bugs that still remain in 8.5... Also can you find out are there any additional key binding options being added? There are just a couple minor outstanding ones I'd love to see added like "clip selection (un)group" or maybe rotate clip colour. It'll sounds really great. Very pleased about the browser and FX groups...
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/02 06:11:23
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Jose7822 Go dual baby. You won't regret it :-) Triple monitors for the win!
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 10:03:08
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will you be able to download color schemes or just have a shop that we can check out the schemes and have them customised? Also some people have been unhappy with metering just as a suggestion customisable metering (I am sure this would help the way how some people work in their daws) Maybe I am too advanced, maybe I am crazy for asking? Anyway, merely a suggestion.
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John T
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 10:23:27
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What would you have customisable in the metering?
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 10:44:50
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SilkTone LOL, "Guest"? Didn't realize one could post without being logged in. Anyway, what I wrote should read: "I know for a fact that the MIDI crosstalk bug has not been fixed. It's more important to redesign the UI than make Sonar not bleed its internal MIDI buffers all over each other. Oh well..." Now that's REALLY annoying... It's been a PITA for a long time and as MIDI was the FIRST product of the Cakewalk line, you'd think they'd have that stuff down by now.... So it's gonna be another year of yelling and screaming.... I'd tear my hair out but that's already done! <sigh>...
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 10:45:00
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Read Mike Mccues posts John T he is not a happy bunny. If he wants to stick with the old tried and tested then maybe they should be an option for him to work in the way that best suits him and his needs. Why should cake dumb down their software for me when someone like Mike would benefit from a more polished app. But as I say its just my foolish suggestion John T I hope no harm has been done to your integrity?
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 10:46:56
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ] Rothchild Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view? Child We did not. <whew>
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 10:52:29
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ] Rothchild Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ] Rothchild Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view? Child We did not. Thanks Brandon, I'm looking forward to seeing this campaign roll out, and some of your masterfully slick sales patter. It's always a treat to see someone who both knows, and loves, their product. Any chance of some insight on some of the other queries raised in this thread? Cheers, Child Hi there Child, Thanks much and let me see if I can answer a few things. LP-64 still behaves the same way, BUT it's literally like my top complaint right now and I know this will be looked at ASAP. Whether it will be remedied for X1 initial release I do not know at this time, but rest assured we know it's not ideal and needs to be addressed ASAP. Not sure about the side-chain bus issue. Will investigate. I can say that the awesome sounding PC4K S-Type compressor is fully sidechainable and 64-bit DP. You can still use the TV for nearly everything. However we may have removed a button or two like phase reverse. The bulk of everything generally needed though is there and still user-configurable. DP has not been changed but I know that we will have a free expansion pack soon available that addresses these problems regarding bass sounds. Not sure what you mean by the insert send behavior. There is no patchbay routing matrix, but ProChannel can be pre/post and FX chains can be dragged around in order to change their routing. You can also see only I/O on track view and I/O is combined in CV hopefully making things a littel better for everyone. Asset management is a little better due to the Browser in that you can drag in entire projects into existing projects. I do believe the Browser will properly remember its sort states. Will do a little investigating... Now I'm getting "scared".... You removed the phase switch? where was the logic in that??? ...and I'm not sure what you mean by seeing only i/o in track view.... I hope I've just got blind-man jitters and that these things are all handled well... but I must admit... first look has be worried...
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 11:42:39
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Looked at the video's again and I think that this is a MAJOR advancement for this UI. The new Inspector (the thing on the left with ProStrip in it) is a major improvment alone. Then you have the new menu design. The floating dockable window is something I will enjoy. The improvements to Automation!!! I understand that some things have not been addressed. But I can see that they are heading in that direction. I see a great future for this product release. Nice.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 11:47:33
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Keni Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ] Rothchild Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ] Rothchild Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view? Child We did not. Thanks Brandon, I'm looking forward to seeing this campaign roll out, and some of your masterfully slick sales patter. It's always a treat to see someone who both knows, and loves, their product. Any chance of some insight on some of the other queries raised in this thread? Cheers, Child Hi there Child, Thanks much and let me see if I can answer a few things. LP-64 still behaves the same way, BUT it's literally like my top complaint right now and I know this will be looked at ASAP. Whether it will be remedied for X1 initial release I do not know at this time, but rest assured we know it's not ideal and needs to be addressed ASAP. Not sure about the side-chain bus issue. Will investigate. I can say that the awesome sounding PC4K S-Type compressor is fully sidechainable and 64-bit DP. You can still use the TV for nearly everything. However we may have removed a button or two like phase reverse. The bulk of everything generally needed though is there and still user-configurable. DP has not been changed but I know that we will have a free expansion pack soon available that addresses these problems regarding bass sounds. Not sure what you mean by the insert send behavior. There is no patchbay routing matrix, but ProChannel can be pre/post and FX chains can be dragged around in order to change their routing. You can also see only I/O on track view and I/O is combined in CV hopefully making things a littel better for everyone. Asset management is a little better due to the Browser in that you can drag in entire projects into existing projects. I do believe the Browser will properly remember its sort states. Will do a little investigating... Now I'm getting "scared".... You removed the phase switch? where was the logic in that??? ...and I'm not sure what you mean by seeing only i/o in track view.... I hope I've just got blind-man jitters and that these things are all handled well... but I must admit... first look has be worried... I took this to mean that they've taken the switch off the header in TV rather than that they've removed it altogether. So it's a bit of a PITA as it would appear that TV users then have to open a track inspector to flip phases but I don't think it's as scary (or daft) as to have removed the phase invert control completely. My next wonder is if they've finally fixed the Timeworks EQ (which I still use a lot because I like the RTA in it....) so that it doesn't grab the window focus, it's only been doing it since Sonar 2 so it might be asking a bit much for a fix?! ;-) As a more general point, it strikes me that there are a number of folk here who would count themselves (like me) a fan of Sonar but that tend to take a slightly flatter emotional path to their use and aspirations for the software (the less plugs, less bugs clan perhaps?). This time around the Studio version is looking mighty good, and I would advocate buying it, over Producer, to help Cake understand how many of us really value a good, clean, open and modular DAW system (the one we know Sonar has the potential to be). If you just take Producer all you do is validate the decision to make it more closed and self integrated, like a jumped up portastudio. As Brandon has pointed out all the workflow enhancements are in Studio just not the gimick enhancements, sounds great to me! Child
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:19:43
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Rothchild As Brandon has pointed out all the workflow enhancements are in Studio just not the gimick enhancements, sounds great to me! Child I don't think calling the stuff included with Producer gimmicks is really a fair assessment. A nice sounding instrument or effect isn't really a gimmick is it? I guess I wouldn't call Z3TA+ or Dimension Pro gimmicks - that's kind of like saying a guitar is a gimmick. Anyway, I can certainly understand where certain things mayn not be necessary or desirable for you, and that's perfectly fine/understandable/etc, but I don't think there's much justification to understate the importance of things that make and shape sound for a wide range of users who make music.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:30:29
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Can I just add if memory servers me right, was it the Dimension Pro 64 bit plugin that was not working at all and just crashed Sonar or hang up within it. Was there a patch or fix that was release that I may I have missed or is this now fixed in X1???
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:42:09
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einstein36 Can I just add if memory servers me right, was it the Dimension Pro 64 bit plugin that was not working at all and just crashed Sonar or hang up within it. Was there a patch or fix that was release that I may I have missed or is this now fixed in X1??? I seem to have DimPro 1.5 working in 8.5.3 S64 but IIRC it was certain patches that caused a crash...I obviously have not used any of those patches yet.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:45:11
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DimPro works fine for me in 64 bit too.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:46:51
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One thing i have been waiting for sooo long, and feel would make programming SOO much easier and quicker...... Rulers that change with your Quantise settings. It sounds so simple, but it makes such a difference if you can actually see what your doing, instead of having to guess where the 3rd 32nd triplet is!! This one aspect that cubase have had for rather a long time, and one thing i very much yurn for!! I haven't seen any screen shots with rulers on them, so i take it this has not been included? Cold someone make me very happy and tell me they're there!!! pleease :-)
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Rothchild
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:47:37
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Sorry Brandon, I realised after posting how my paraphrasing might come off, clearly you wouldn't refer to them as gimmicks. I also didn't intend to demean the quality of the applications as I'm sure they are fit to purpose, however, they are not part of the core functionality of a DAW. No a guitar isn't a gimmick, but it's not a DAW either! My point was, simply, that: If, like me, you don't really see the pro-channel adding much to your experience of Sonar the option has been provided not to have to pay for it, that's what the Studio edition is for. The seemingly obvious extension to this point is to ask if the pro-channel would be made available as an add on (like the Harrison modules you can plug in to Ardour's mixer)? It would be nice to have a 'Build your own Sonar' option whereby you start with a base package (perhaps with an option for limited tracks or not) then add all the extras. Want the synths but not the plugs, fine. Want the pro-channel but not the synths or plugs, fine. etc etc Child
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John T
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:48:54
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Yeah, this already exists, has done for years. Can't remember the name of the setting, but you can switch it on in the PRV. "Match Grid To Snap" or something similar. The lines disappear once you zoom out to a certain level though, which can puzzle some people at first.
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:50:02
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backbeatdeano One thing i have been waiting for sooo long, and feel would make programming SOO much easier and quicker...... Rulers that change with your Quantise settings. It sounds so simple, but it makes such a difference if you can actually see what your doing, instead of having to guess where the 3rd 32nd triplet is!! This one aspect that cubase have had for rather a long time, and one thing i very much yurn for!! I haven't seen any screen shots with rulers on them, so i take it this has not been included? Cold someone make me very happy and tell me they're there!!! pleease :-) I'd like to tell you they are there but they're not. However, I agree they should be.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:51:32
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Are we talking about different things here? You can definitely do that in the PRV.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 12:54:40
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Rothchild Sorry Brandon, I realised after posting how my paraphrasing might come off, clearly you wouldn't refer to them as gimmicks. I also didn't intend to demean the quality of the applications as I'm sure they are fit to purpose, however, they are not part of the core functionality of a DAW. No a guitar isn't a gimmick, but it's not a DAW either! My point was, simply, that: If, like me, you don't really see the pro-channel adding much to your experience of Sonar the option has been provided not to have to pay for it, that's what the Studio edition is for. The seemingly obvious extension to this point is to ask if the pro-channel would be made available as an add on (like the Harrison modules you can plug in to Ardour's mixer)? It would be nice to have a 'Build your own Sonar' option whereby you start with a base package (perhaps with an option for limited tracks or not) then add all the extras. Want the synths but not the plugs, fine. Want the pro-channel but not the synths or plugs, fine. etc etc Child I understand your point of view Child and of course it's entirely reasonable and I respect it. I just wanted to be clear and I might also suggest for whatever it's worth that the core functionality of what constitutes a DAW is a moving target as time marches forward.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 13:05:06
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John T Are we talking about different things here? You can definitely do that in the PRV. Hi John, You're correct but I don't think it works that way in the TV. I think it would be a nice enhancement.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 13:10:17
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Regarding the 'build your own Sonar' suggestion... I don't like the idea as that would inevitably increase the price of a 'full package' as the total revenue generated by the sale of Sonar and 'Sonar bits' would have to match current revenues - either that or the R&D budget be cut and we would then not get so many new features and product enhancements so often. It would be inevitable that not everyone would want everything and that would inevitably lead to price hikes. I quite like it the way it is [ although I do have major gripes over the GBP & EU pricing policy - a 'make your own' Sonar would only make that worse] all IMHO of course
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/04 13:21:57
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Hey Twigman, This is the internet, I think it's fairly safe to say that the whole thing is IMHO ;-) What you're saying is kinda part of the point of why I think a modular Sonar would be a good idea, because everyone would need the base package it would be most important that all the core functionality (notwithstanding that this might be a moving target) would have the greatest resources allocated to it, because everyone would buy it and it would have to work to get the value out of the extras. Ardour has a variation of this in that you can contribute financially to the project and request certain features, the developer estimates a cost and if the idea raises enough money for him to commit the time it goes in to the software (who said Open Source was incompatible with the free market?!) The sale (or not) of the extras would enable Cake to allocate resources to ensuring the most popular (as demonstrated in sales) parts of the program received the most love. It might also temper the temptation to add additional features before the previous ones are working properly. And yes, the exchange rate that is applied to UK pricing is unfair, to say the least, especially now these things can be handled via download. Child
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