Rothchild
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Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
Congrats to Cakewalk on getting the ball rolling on the new release. As ever there's a lot of hyperbole built in to the content around the new product, and a lot of it is about tools that I already know about. Some simple questions are not addressed though. A lot is made about the LP64 EQ. Does it now work without glitching out (watching the video didn't make me too confident as it looks like the meter is hanging when the nodes are being moved)? Has the sidechain buss been fixed so we can use the 64bit mix buss with well implemented 3rd party plugs? Can I still use the track view for everything? As nice as all the other inspectors look I'm a TV guy (and it's the reason I came over to Sonar in the first instance) Please reassure me that I can continue in this vein? Is DP now all in tune? Is insert send behaviour now configurable? (pretty please!) There seems to be referrence to fx chains, is there also a patchbay / routing matrix view now? The panel that you can drag and drop fx from etc looks good, does it offer better asset management in general (for instance, will it resolve the long term gripe that 'file open' doesn't remember that you've set it to 'view / details' so that files can easily be sorted in date order)? Cheers, Child
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 11:27:05
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LOL, "Guest"? Didn't realize one could post without being logged in. Anyway, what I wrote should read:
"I know for a fact that the MIDI crosstalk bug has not been fixed. It's more important to redesign the UI than make Sonar not bleed its internal MIDI buffers all over each other. Oh well..."
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 11:27:38
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 11:30:30
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 11:34:06
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mudgel
How do you know?
I have had an email conversation with someone at CW that confirmed that it will not be fixed in the upcoming release.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 11:35:19
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 11:35:32
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Looks like the FX bin is still pinned to the right side of the Track Pane.
I wonder if the audio input friendly naming convention has been changed to allow mono channel naming instead of stereo pairs.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:07:02
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Please...time of selected area...please.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:12:18
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Silt Tone, could you please write back and ask if Staff View has been improved?
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:16:23
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riojazz Silt Tone, could you please write back and ask if Staff View has been improved? In one of the little screen cast vids on the promo pages there is a clip of someone adding lyrics to a staff view, I don't use the staff enough to recognise if this is old functionality or not but it appears that they want you to know it has a staff, so at least they've not ditched it! ;-) Child
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:31:44
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Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view?
Child
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:35:33
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Rothchild
Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view?
Child
We did not.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:39:14
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There's a per-track Edit Filter where you can now enable Audio Snap on a per track basis, YES!!! I've always wondered why Cakewalk didn't do it this way from the start. Hope there are many more improvements done to Audio Snap in the new version.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:40:19
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Thank you, Brandon.
Were there any improvements to the Staff View?
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:41:25
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Rothchild
Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view?
Child
I think they have not. The track view is still divided into two parts, tracks and buses. The same in the console view... I am also missing track-clip color connection.... Well, maybe in the X1 1.1 update
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:42:55
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ] Rothchild Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view? Child We did not. Thanks Brandon, I'm looking forward to seeing this campaign roll out, and some of your masterfully slick sales patter. It's always a treat to see someone who both knows, and loves, their product. Any chance of some insight on some of the other queries raised in this thread? Cheers, Child
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:43:17
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BRANDON!!!
Come back, we need answers! ;)
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:54:39
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Just bought my new carillon computer and I don't want a divorce. Guess I'll wait and see when some of you guys give your views after you've tried it. Sound On Sound have been given a sneak preview. http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=13339
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:56:36
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Rothchild
Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ] Rothchild Can anyone decern from the pictures if they've got rid of the track / buss distinction in track view? Child We did not. Thanks Brandon,
I'm looking forward to seeing this campaign roll out, and some of your masterfully slick sales patter. It's always a treat to see someone who both knows, and loves, their product.
Any chance of some insight on some of the other queries raised in this thread?
Cheers,
Child
Hi there Child, Thanks much and let me see if I can answer a few things. LP-64 still behaves the same way, BUT it's literally like my top complaint right now and I know this will be looked at ASAP. Whether it will be remedied for X1 initial release I do not know at this time, but rest assured we know it's not ideal and needs to be addressed ASAP. Not sure about the side-chain bus issue. Will investigate. I can say that the awesome sounding PC4K S-Type compressor is fully sidechainable and 64-bit DP. You can still use the TV for nearly everything. However we may have removed a button or two like phase reverse. The bulk of everything generally needed though is there and still user-configurable. DP has not been changed but I know that we will have a free expansion pack soon available that addresses these problems regarding bass sounds. Not sure what you mean by the insert send behavior. There is no patchbay routing matrix, but ProChannel can be pre/post and FX chains can be dragged around in order to change their routing. You can also see only I/O on track view and I/O is combined in CV hopefully making things a littel better for everyone. Asset management is a little better due to the Browser in that you can drag in entire projects into existing projects. I do believe the Browser will properly remember its sort states. Will do a little investigating...
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 12:59:18
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riojazz
Thank you, Brandon.
Were there any improvements to the Staff View?
Only minor things: The UI was redesigned. The Chord, Expression, Hairpin, Lyric, and Pedal tools now display shading to indicate appropriate draw locations for each. Some minor bug fixes in the context menus. We do realize Staff View is important to a good portion of SONAR users and we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface.
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2010/11/01 13:03:39
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:01:54
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post edited by Jimbo 88 - 2010/11/01 13:03:36
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:04:52
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Nice to have some cake input - thanks Brandon.
Any news on when we can expect a 'fine print' list of everything that's new/changed?
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:05:14
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Thanks for the update Brandon, very helpful. I would be spitting tacks to be put in the position of having to go out and tout this stuff knowing that one of the leading bullet points 'Mastering EQ' doesn't quite work right! I'm confident you'll be able to get dev time to have it fixed for this reason alone. The insert send behaviour changed somewhere between v6 and v8 and it still does my nut. I want my sends either turned off or down upon insertion (not on and up, as is the case now). Having this behaviour be user definable would be awesome for me. Is there a single new feature that you're most pleased with? Cheers, Child
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riojazz
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:06:23
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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We do realize Staff View is important to a good portion of SONAR users and we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface.
Thank you again, Brandon. +1 to future enhancements.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:06:51
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Nice to have some cake input - thanks Brandon.
Any news on when we can expect a 'fine print' list of everything that's new/changed?
Probably once Noel can come up for air. Currently he's tweaking and fixing bugs, etc so we should definitely leave him to that. :-) having said that. there will be more and more and more information and videos coming in the next few weeks as we ramp up to launch in December.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:13:08
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Rothchild
Thanks for the update Brandon, very helpful.
I would be spitting tacks to be put in the position of having to go out and tout this stuff knowing that one of the leading bullet points 'Mastering EQ' doesn't quite work right! I'm confident you'll be able to get dev time to have it fixed for this reason alone.
The insert send behaviour changed somewhere between v6 and v8 and it still does my nut. I want my sends either turned off or down upon insertion (not on and up, as is the case now). Having this behaviour be user definable would be awesome for me.
Is there a single new feature that you're most pleased with?
Cheers, Child
All completely understood. My favorite feature...hmmm. Ok there's probably three off the top of my head. 1) The way the Browser works (and basically Skylight in general). You can drag in literally just about everything and it instantiates itself immediately. And the Browser can easily preview one-shots and loops and at host tempo or native tempo. Having plugin layouts there and being able to drag directly to clips, etc is great time-saver. Templates, projects...etc. 2) The new tools. This is something that has kind of been overlooked so far, but the Smart Tool in conjunction with the Edit Filter works to greatly speed things up. It works on audio, MIDI, transients, whatever. And I think everyone will be quite pleased at how it works with automation envelopes - much improved! 3) ProChannel - it sounds great and looks sexy!  Really nice channel comp for track compression and great sounding bus comp for stems/buses.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:13:41
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The removable docking window is reason enough for me to upgrade. Extra special thanks for putting this in since it was at the top of my list.
A couple of questions:
Any chance for automation lanes with this version?
Can I change the color of the new gui?
Thanks!
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:18:05
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Resonant Order
The removable docking window is reason enough for me to upgrade. Extra special thanks for putting this in since it was at the top of my list.
A couple of questions:
Any chance for automation lanes with this version?
Can I change the color of the new gui?
Thanks!
No automation lanes in this version, but the enhancements to automation are pretty major in X1 and may supersede the need (although we plan to offer lanes in the future under the Skylight framework). The colors of some aspects can be changed and some thoughtfully designed presets will ship with X1.
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:21:59
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Can you drag a synth (i.e. Dimension Pro) from the Browser onto an existing synth track to replace the synth?
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Re:Will Noel come and tell us what's actually under the hood?
2010/11/01 13:26:42
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Howdy
Can you drag a synth (i.e. Dimension Pro) from the Browser onto an existing synth track to replace the synth?
Good question!
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