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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 16:55:49
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I actually was unaware - until this thread - that ANYTHING was removed from X2 to X3.
Why ?
Because I've been using Duckbar since X1. Again with zero errors.
Well it wont support Sonar 2015 until much later in the year.
Don't be so sure of that :)
Panu is a freaking magician.
Panu stated he wont have time to even work on this until the summer.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 16:57:15
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It's amazing that they actually REMOVED this! It was in X2
Right, so set colors in X2, export the file and import to X3 or Platinum.
That's what I did.
but then you have to import ALL colors, no?
Yes. If you have customizations in X3/Platinum that were not in X2, you can export/import the other direction before setting background colors.
This is what I do to. I've been using the same color scheme since X1. You just export your colors from an older version, and import when you upgrade. It's not a great solution, and sucks for people who just started with X3 or the new one - but that's all there is. It's the closest to what you're looking for alewgro.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 17:20:02
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alewgro
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I actually was unaware - until this thread - that ANYTHING was removed from X2 to X3.
Why ?
Because I've been using Duckbar since X1. Again with zero errors.
Well it wont support Sonar 2015 until much later in the year.
Don't be so sure of that :)
Panu is a freaking magician.
Panu stated he wont have time to even work on this until the summer.
yep, he did. But I'd stay tuned.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 19:46:38
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.......You've got frozen tracks; muted clips; clips not in solo'd tracks; regionFX clips; selected areas of clips... there's just so many subtle color hints that ideally need to work together to convey meaning to the user - especially new users. (emphasis added)
It's so easy to screw that up by color customization. Also, you've got the "track follows bus color" feature that is pretty nice.
Thanks Stickman. I think this is what's really going on with colors and I do appreciate it. Trouble is, the default dark grays / blacks are just too hard to see for an old man like me. Maybe an option with a little more contrast would help. Again, I really wanted to use the "track follows bus color" option but it doesn't work with Duckbar. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. Paul 
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 20:01:44
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This is what I do to. I've been using the same color scheme since X1. You just export your colors from an older version, and import when you upgrade.
It's not a great solution, and sucks for people who just started with X3 or the new one - but that's all there is. It's the closest to what you're looking for alewgro.
Are you talking about exporting a .clr file? I tried this when I moved to X3 and it didn't work. I had been bringing that file forward from S8.5 and it didn't work in X3. There were several protracted threads about the color customization of X3 last year, and Duckbar was the only answer I could find. Paul
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 20:38:07
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Are you talking about exporting a .clr file? Yeah - that's what I use. It's always worked for me - I even did it from X3 to Platinum ;-)
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 20:40:14
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Paul G I think this is what's really going on with colors and I do appreciate it. Trouble is, the default dark grays / blacks are just too hard to see for an old man like me. Maybe an option with a little more contrast would help.I realize it's a workaround, but it was a wondrous experience when I discovered the "auto-adjust" button on my monitor, then tweaked brightness and contrast.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 21:01:04
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I think this is what's really going on with colors and I do appreciate it. Trouble is, the default dark grays / blacks are just too hard to see for an old man like me. Maybe an option with a little more contrast would help.
I realize it's a workaround, but it was a wondrous experience when I discovered the "auto-adjust" button on my monitor, then tweaked brightness and contrast. Thanks Craig. After the big discussion we had last year on this topic, I did discover that the "Viewing angle", (or what ever it's called), was off on my monitors! What a big difference that made. Trouble is, I use this computer for every thing, including my day job so I would not be able to set ideal colors for just one program. Right now it's a compromise. I really think that if there were just a little more contrast between the grays, it might do the trick. We make compromises, we adjust and we move on... Paul
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/18 21:24:33
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I just dont like the idea of them TAKING AWAY options.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 06:09:03
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I just dont like the idea of them TAKING AWAY options.
I agree. I'd also like to see more a more customizable UI. I'd like to be able to even replace faders, knobs and other bitmaps. I know this is much to wish for and that it probably never will come true though.. However.. More specialized customization-controls could always be "hidden" in the advanced preferences, to make it less likely that someone messes up the UI by accident. ..A big "set to default"-button in this window could be a nice thing to have too, just as a safety net. (Being able to load and save these would also be nice, of course)
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 06:38:59
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Mummy knows best
post edited by Kamikaze - 2015/01/19 06:46:57
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 11:20:44
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I believe the reason we're more limited in those past color options, is because we're less limited now in specific color options, such as the track colors, etc. X2 was a drastic, and frankly, un-appealing change in default colors from X1, but included was an X1-Light preset, which was wonderful. I could regain the X1 color scheme, which was incredibly easy on my eyes and quite stylish, a separation from the norm. I'm sure there's many who want it to look more like PT or something else, but X1's color scheme was the final deciding factor for me vs. CuBase, Studio One, Reaper, and PT. I really didn't know a lot about these types DAW's having been a hardware guy for a while and using a Yamaha AW4416 for years. But yeah, the color scheme was the deicing fact, if you can believe that.
Today, if that were the deciding factor, I'd still likely choose Sonar. X3's waveform colors are MUCH less cartoony than X2, and the whole appearance is better. I still wish for X1's colors (with backgrounds lighter than waveforms), but I can live with X3's interface. I've gotten used to it. I haven't really paid attention to the latest Platinum colors yet.
I'm not a fan of attempting to use a 3rd-party tool like Duckbar, because it's not maintained by CW, and thus will be slower to adapt to changes. That, and the fact that I had no luck getting it installed correctly.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 11:26:47
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Take away my preferences, and I go elsewhere. Plain and simple. I know its do-able since it was once baked into the software.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 11:30:03
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From The Man himself -
"UPDATE
Because so many people have requested this... Duckbar for SONAR 2015 is coming for the new SONAR in a week or two.
Believe or not but this is an enormous task; I have to edit 2500 images in PhotoShop (5 main themes, each require 500+ changes), update Mod Patcher, EXE Colors, SONAR detection system etc...
Delays are likely - I'm very busy just now but I understand Duckbar users can't be abandoned because using SONAR without Duckbar and/or mods is going to destroy people's creativity and ability to make good music. Eventually human race would be destroyed and Earth would get swallowed by the Moon. Universe would collapse.
Only Bruce Willis could save the world if I didn't update Duckbar. And he's always so tired I wouldn't count on him."
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 11:49:58
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Gregmang
From The Man himself -
"UPDATE
Because so many people have requested this... Duckbar for SONAR 2015 is coming for the new SONAR in a week or two.
Believe or not but this is an enormous task; I have to edit 2500 images in PhotoShop (5 main themes, each require 500+ changes), update Mod Patcher, EXE Colors, SONAR detection system etc...
Delays are likely - I'm very busy just now but I understand Duckbar users can't be abandoned because using SONAR without Duckbar and/or mods is going to destroy people's creativity and ability to make good music. Eventually human race would be destroyed and Earth would get swallowed by the Moon. Universe would collapse.
Only Bruce Willis could save the world if I didn't update Duckbar. And he's always so tired I wouldn't count on him."
Get out! Last time he said it won't be for a while. This is great news. However, Panu is actually hindering Sonar from doing the work themselves, as this creates less demand since the options are available through Duckbar.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 13:14:01
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☄ Helpfulby alewgro 2015/01/19 14:06:36
Actually, the Clip Background color settings are still present in Sonar X3, just not in the settings dialog. They can be accessed in the Windows Registry, however. The location, on my installation, is:
Computer\HKEY_Current_User\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Sonar Producer\X3\Colors
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 14:06:57
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tlawhon
Actually, the Clip Background color settings are still present in Sonar X3, just not in the settings dialog. They can be accessed in the Windows Registry, however. The location, on my installation, is:
Computer\HKEY_Current_User\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Sonar Producer\X3\Colors
WOAH!!!! NOW WE ARE TALKING!!!!!! Amazing... so its doable, and Cakewalk DELIBERATELY removed it. I dont like that now from a business standpoint.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 14:13:41
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tlawhon
Actually, the Clip Background color settings are still present in Sonar X3, just not in the settings dialog. They can be accessed in the Windows Registry, however. The location, on my installation, is:
Computer\HKEY_Current_User\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Sonar Producer\X3\Colors
WOAH!!!! NOW WE ARE TALKING!!!!!! Amazing... so its doable, and Cakewalk DELIBERATELY removed it. I dont like that now from a business standpoint.
The main thing I understand that could have happened was, to better support the aesthetics of the latest Sonar version was to remove some color options to keep you out of trouble, or supporting too many color options with no real reason to. Acura, a car company made this statement once: We make hard and solid decisions to find the best middle ground with all users and choose colors that, not only will give you the best looking cards on the road, but also to minimize the color options we have to produce. Cakewalk likely ripped those previous options out to better support newer options, some of which they believe are the most attractive. Eye of the beholder, and I don't think a hard-fast, singular approach to the Skylight interface was the way to go, but I understand there's gravity and work behind it all. But keep asking for more. That's the only way they know. Otherwise, they might continue taking the options they don't think are as important away. Feedback is good, especially if constructive.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 14:13:55
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 15:14:02
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alewgro
tlawhon
Actually, the Clip Background color settings are still present in Sonar X3, just not in the settings dialog. They can be accessed in the Windows Registry, however. The location, on my installation, is:
Computer\HKEY_Current_User\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Sonar Producer\X3\Colors
WOAH!!!! NOW WE ARE TALKING!!!!!! Amazing... so its doable, and Cakewalk DELIBERATELY removed it. I dont like that now from a business standpoint.
Of course those registry keys have *always* been there for every version of Pro Audio, SONAR and SONAR X  It's just not a good idea for "normal" users to have to go hack the registry...
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/19 15:42:01
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A little experimentation with the track values you can change in the settings dialog will yield values in their registry variables that can then be copied to the clip background variables. For instance, ffffff (hex) will produce white backgrounds.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/22 13:15:59
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Come on... who's not impressed with how nice my DAW looks? 
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/22 13:24:05
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Acura, a car company made this statement once: We make hard and solid decisions to find the best middle ground with all users and choose colors that, not only will give you the best looking cards on the road, but also to minimize the color options we have to produce."
White, Gray, Black, Beige, White, Black, Gray... wait...
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/22 13:33:54
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Come on... who's not impressed with how nice my DAW looks?
I've always enjoyed pastel-shaded clip backgrounds for audio clips, myself, too.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/22 13:49:30
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I don't like the pastels myself - but that's why we want it "customisable" ;-)
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/22 16:41:06
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/22 16:46:15
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/25 15:52:12
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I'm pretty happy with the X3/Platinum color options. However I do wish there was a way to alter the preset color swatches on the "Pick Color" palette. Here's my current setup, which I've grown to like a lot:  Of course, a real project doesn't look quite so rainbow-esque. The trick is to find the right color value that looks good as a waveform (pure) and console/strip shade (grey tint). It also has to work with selected/muted/frozen options in a sensible way. I'm not saying we should stop asking for clip background colorization options; I'm just saying, if you were new to SONAR and didn't have any preconceived ideas about how the track view would look, I think you'd find this pretty darn purty. Color Customization===================name R G B------- --- --- --- RED 166 68 51BROWN 194 114 75YELLOW 204 192 45MOSS 138 175 50GREEN 66 157 68CYAN 82 173 155BLUE 55 146 200INDIGO 91 114 219PURPLE 142 96 230VIOLET 193 123 193
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/25 23:18:00
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Yup, looks pretty good here. You have a point about new(er) users that don't have pre-defined color setups; what's currently offered would likely work well.
If you add the preset color swatch as a feature request I'd star it - I could definitely use something like that.
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Re: Will The New Sonar Change The Clip BACKGROUND Colors?
2015/01/26 00:54:00
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For newbies who do not go back to 8.5.3, maybe they do not know what they are missing. But that is a poor excuse not to have a great feature that was there in the past -- i.e. to be able to set a track color and have them stay that way for new clips that are recorded. I spend a lot of time recording new clips and having to change the colors to match the rest of the track, manually. Still an AWESOME PROGRAM. But please address this or tell us it will not be addressed.
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