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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 06:46:53
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abacab Hmmm... I wonder if that Sonar LE software version is 32-bit and is having issues with Windows 10 and a 64 bit audio driver? Because the audio interface installs and is recognized ok in Windows, and the other software sees it...
Interesting idea. It shouldn't matter though. I run Soundforge pro 11 and it is 32 bit. It has no trouble working with my 64 bit drivers.
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2017/01/25 11:43:02
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Just a quick update, I now have to unplug and re-plug in the tascam after boot for windows to recognize an input from it. It shows up but doesn't pick up anything until re-plugged.
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2017/01/25 13:07:36
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Yanno... I completely overlooked another ultra obvious troubleshooting for these scenarios (and it may have been mentioned already, if so apologies for the repetition)... Have you (or has anyone told you) to go into your Windows Control Pane > Hardware and Sound > Power Options, etc... (that is in Win7, I'm sure it's been moved in Win10 but should have similar options). Your USB ports may be "falling asleep". In fact if you have NOT changed any settings on the system to prevent this it is almost certain that your USB ports are set to "fall asleep". Especially on a laptop. In Win7 (sorry I have not had a chance to play with Win10 yet) you would change your entire Power Options settings to Performance or create a custom power plan. In particular you want to look in your hardware list and look for the USB entries. Set those to "Always On" or whatever the specific setting is currently called. It could be that your USB ports are shutting down when no activity is being sent to or from the interface. This is usually fine for this like mice or external drives or whatever but with streaming audio and ASIO drivers it can wreak havoc. Now that is my first observation after your followups. The second is you seem to be trying to do screen cap vids and/or a live radio/video blog or whatever while possibly running games. This indeed can cause many of the issues you are experiencing but it is a (almost) completely SEPARATE issue. An immediate remedy to try is to simply switch driver modes in SONAR to WASAPI (or one of the other driver modes) instead of ASIO. ASIO only allows one audio device and driver to operate at once. I think you are trying to use a combination of devices (some camera mic and/or USB mic) in conjunction with the TASCAM. ASIO would not allow that. Those other driver modes will but perhaps to less desirable results (glitching, latency, etc). HOWEVER there have been supposed improvements to the Windows audio drivers that have eased some of the problems. Based on what I've read I don't think they have surpassed ASIO yet but are improved and an effort is being made to continue improving them. Alternatively you can use a program called Voicemeeter to act as a mixer/intermediary between multiple programs and devices and still use ASIO for your TASCAM. It is a pretty complicated subject to fully digest and implement effectively though but if you have the patience for it I created a looooooong (5 hours) video of how I set it all up so I can make screencast vids of my computer wackiness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXEtm5_M9HI It was my first vid so don't expect gold but I cover a huuuuuge amount of concepts that I think might help you get you oriented with some of the pitfalls of what you are trying. Also... don't use SONAR LE. See if there is a proper modern demo here on site or better yet just purchase SONAR Artist so you aren't pissing around with an outdated POS demo. Alternatively, if you are just recording voiceover stuff then you may want to consider downloading a much simpler (and free) program called Audacity. It's certainly not as feature rich as SONAR but it's a solid program and likely easier to use for your immediate needs. I wouldn't use it for music production but it's great for just yammering into a mic and mixing together some backing tracks (like the audio from a game or whatever). If you need more features or want to get more complex then there is also Reaper which has a fully functioning/endless usage term demo (the consumer cost is $70 which I encourage you to pay if you use it extensively but otherwise the demo works exactly like the paid version). It, however, is really very complex and difficult to learn unless you kind of know what you are doing. Plenty of vids online to explain but I find it even more difficult to understand than SONAR. All that said... if you do drop coin on SONAR then you are essentially buying a ticket into the vast knowledge base that is this community. As you can see, if you are polite and are willing to put some elbow grease on your end you'll never exhaust the supply of free support from other users. Reaper's forum is pretty decent too but I think this place (when functioning as intended) is a better learning environment. Just some extra thoughts. I don't think I can help too much further so I'll wish you good luck in your adventures.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:14:45
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Beepster Also... don't use SONAR LE. See if there is a proper modern demo here on site or better yet just purchase SONAR Artist so you aren't pissing around with an outdated POS demo.
You do know the most recent version of LE is based on X3. Although it has a limited feature set, the program should be pretty solid. That said, based on the peripherals attached to the PC, it does not appear to be setup as a typical DAW.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:22:43
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Beepster Also... don't use SONAR LE. See if there is a proper modern demo here on site or better yet just purchase SONAR Artist so you aren't pissing around with an outdated POS demo.
You do know the most recent version of LE is based on X3. Although it has a limited feature set, the program should be pretty solid. That said, based on the peripherals attached to the PC, it does not appear to be setup as a typical DAW.
Nope. I had no idea of what version it was. Is it X3d (or whatever the last incarnation was)? If not then (if the demo allows access to the pathces) I would say to the OP to make sure they have the latest patches for X3 as well. X3 was indeed solid but much more solid after all the patches. This has likely already been mentioned. Also I'm not discounting the possibility they have acquired old stock but now that I think about it I guess due to the timeline of the Gibson/TASCAM/Cakewalk merger that any SONAR disc a TASCAM device came bundled with would be X3. Pure speculation though. If you know, as always, I appreciate current info. Hope you've been well, scook.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:28:28
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DethBringa Just a quick update, I now have to unplug and re-plug in the tascam after boot for windows to recognize an input from it. It shows up but doesn't pick up anything until re-plugged.
Have you got 'fast boot' set on Windows 10? I have, and occasionally it will 'miss' my USB interface and I have to unplug/replug it (Focusrite 2i4)
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:29:28
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usb power saving now disabled (I do this for network but never thought of doing it for usb). changing to wasapi stops the devices from emptying but I still cant play sound unless I exit everything else first (and change my default settings to things I dont want to use). I tried voicemeeter banana once. Most painful experience ever. Really odd how inputs are outputs and outputs are both inputs and outputs at the same time or something like that. It messed up my audio so bad, you have no idea. It was actually the main influence on getting a new mic. It caused my original setup to start feeding back and echoing and even uninstalling didn't fix it. I used audacity in the past. I reformatted about 6months ago (when I got my 1TB SSD) and never needed to reinstall it yet. This shows just how much audio editting I do. I only got sonar le because I got a free key with the tascam unit. Same with ableton. After all of this I'm shaking my head and looking at music 2000 on the original playstation and wondering where everyone went so wrong. I think I'll probably just use OBS for recording. ***edit*** the tascam unit came with keys (no discs at all, not even driver discs) for sonar le ("Based on Cakewalk's award-winning SONAR X3 digital audio workstation.....") and Ableton Live 9 Lite. Seeing that "based on" makes me think about how movies are "based on" true events lol. I have now turned off fast boot.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:41:59
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Yes, Voicemeeter can be a mysterious mistress... thus my epic video. I dealt with the echoing you describe and detail the proper setup in my vid. Unfortunately once you go beyond just a simple one track/one device recording on a single PC things get... weird. The tech is there to make it all happen but it takes some doing. Once it is setup though and the user understands the "bigger picture" of what's up it all become much easier and well worth the extra effort. Especially if you are serious about your stated goals (which spending money on an interface and your persistence indicates you are). At this juncture the absolute BEST advice I can give you is to stop. Take few days away from it to digest the MASSIVE amount of material that's been thrown at you here and let the frustration subside and the seemingly random concepts bubble and boil a bit in your subconscious. I bet if you come back at it in a few days to a week things will start falling into place and become much easier... and with better results. It's simply the nature of this beast. Cheers.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:45:17
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DethBringa ***edit*** the tascam unit came with keys (no discs at all, not even driver discs) for sonar le ("Based on Cakewalk's award-winning SONAR X3 digital audio workstation.....") and Ableton Live 9 Lite. Seeing that "based on" makes me think about how movies are "based on" true events lol. I have now turned off fast boot.
Yes. That would definitely imply you have a relatively modern version... so that's good. Ignore my previous sentiments about LE being garbage. I thought we were referring to the OLD demo(s). I have no knowledge of the newer version but I assume it's more competent/reliable.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:45:54
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It seems to be pulling me in the exact opposite direction of where I want to go. number 1 is gaming with a close 2nd being communication. Anything locking me out of that without a real gain isn't what I'm after. Playing with programs like sonar really is way down the list unless there is a gain without loss.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 13:59:09
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DethBringa It seems to be pulling me in the exact opposite direction of where I want to go. number 1 is gaming with a close 2nd being communication. Anything locking me out of that without a real gain isn't what I'm after. Playing with programs like sonar really is way down the list unless there is a gain without loss.
Sonar is more of a highly specialized music creation package. Ableton is the same (except more geared toward elctronic music/sample based music). As I eluded to earlier, for what you want, really either program is like swatting a fly with a Buick. They can certainly do what you want with ease but the learning curve to perform simple tasks might be prohibitive. Can you please descibe to me EXACTLY what you are trying to accomplish? I might be able to point you to a more efficient path. For example: In the video I posted I am using Mirrilis Action! which allows for split track audio recording of screenplay (one for game/system sounds and the second for voiceovers). I also show how to edit voicover recordings within a video editor (in that vid I use Windows Live Moviemaker... or whatever the frack it is called) which allows you to strip out/overly/edit audio separate from your video (which I don't really cover in depth but there are plenty of youtube tuts that do). Many of these video screencap programs have similar options. You may just need to figure out how to use them in conjunction with your interface as opposed to dorking around with music nerd stuff like SONAR or Ableton. Yanno?
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 14:13:06
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Yea, I used to stream on twitch a while back and have been neglecting my youtube something shocking (even tho I'm getting requests for vids). So heres the plan. 1) a good audio/mic setup for gaming with friends while chatting thru discord 2) record gaming vids and stuff (incl. voiceover) without having audio so bad you cant sit thru more than 10secs without stomping the close button at lightning speed. I want a setup I can use. I dont want to have to reconfigure all my audio options every time I change programs. Currently it seems if you want to use sonar its sonar and nothing else. I'm about 90% sure that this program really does not suit my or my system. Everything worked fine as it should before I got this tascam unit (altho mic quality was complete rubbish. You can polish a turd, its still a turd). I was thinking of getting a blue yeti mic or something like that but kind of came to teh conclusion (after talking to ppl that know a lot more than myself about audio), if I'm going to spend that much, might as well go full on and get top gear for a small amount extra.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 14:16:50
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The first screen shot showed "share drivers with other programs" was unchecked. It's what we generally suggest when we separate our DAW audio from the rest of Windows audio. In your case, it's the opposite of what you want. Long thread, so I don't know if you already tried checking the "share" option, and whether that would make it better.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 14:22:14
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completely overlooked that option. However, no audio out even with it ticked. If I'm using my audio devices for anything it seem sonar will not play ball. Its still sonar OR other software. I want to output to my speakers, but since discord is doing that sonar cant.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 14:27:48
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☄ Helpfulby Kev999 2017/01/25 16:38:48
I'm at a bit if a loss to understand why you needed a dedicated audio interface for "communication".....
Having said that, lots of people have a PC set up that can do all the usual PC things including gaming and also run a DAW like Sonar using ASIO drivers without any of the issues you appear to be finding. Certainly not to the point they can't get Sonar to even detect the interface drivers. What usually happens is that once ghe driver is installed Sonar sees it, you pick it in preferences and apart from adjusting things like latency that's it. And so long as the interface is switched on before Sonar loads Sonar will then always default to that driver.
In Sonar's preferences is a setting for allowing other applications to share the driver. Try ticking it. What it does by default is prevent Sonar keeping a lock on the ASIO driver and preventing anything else from using the interface, acting it means that if somethong else wants to access the audio system Sonar will allow it to. Though I doubt you'll get Sonar and something else operating in any kind of sync even if they happen to both play at the same time.
If you don't intend to use software synths or monitor what you record by getting Sonar to echo its input back to the audio interface outputs you don't even need to use an ASIO driver. The ordinary Windows WDM or MEE one will work well enough. ASIO is basically intended to reduce how long it takes the system to generate or modify audio down to the order of a few milliseconds, because with other types of drivers except WASAPI the amount of time it takes a computer to do the sums is long enough to be distracting at best and impossible to play in time with at worst. The problems set on for most people around the 10 to 20 millisecond mark. A WDM driver might have 50 milliseconds "round trip latency" which even gamers obsessed by instant respenses from the PC won't even notice, but for many serious music recording and production purposes that's an unacceptable amount of time.
But if you aren't doing the things that ASIO is intended to make possible, or at least much easier, you dont need to use ASIO drivers.
Which doesn't solve the curious problem of what it is about your setup that means Sonar is having the problems you describe, but might help you get things working.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 14:31:37
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This post was in response to DethBringa. Lotta doods posted as I was typing though... lol Understood. I am going to go ahead and say that tolerating the learning curve to learn Voicemeeter would absolutely be worth it in your case. I am absolutely not trying to drive traffic to that youtube vid (I don't have any google ads crap enabled and don't give a winged fart about people "subscribing" or whatever) but if you can sit through that bugger (which I've broken up into linked chapters in the vid description) then you will most definitely be able to get the setup you want. What I do is a little different but in your case you would simply want VoiceMeeter to have all your "System" sounds (such as games and NON audio programs) going through the VoiceMeeter "Virtual" channel and then have your mic/TASCAM unit set as the "Hardware" input(s). I'd say try the ORIGINAL VoiceMeeter at first instead of "the" Banana version. From the sound of it you do not need the extra complexities of the Banana version at the moment and learning the simpler original version can get you primed for when/if you need the extra routing options in Banana. To reiterate this more simply.... WITHIN VoiceMeeter* you want all system sounds (your games/windows sounds/browser audio such as youtube/etc) going through the "Virtual" input. The TASCAM with you mic connected will be your "Hardware" input. Then you mix and route those two inputs and send them to their final destination such as an audio program like SONAR or Audacity or Reaper or Ableton or whatever. Full disclosure: I am still a student of all this and the smarter/more experienced doods can likely provide better info but everything I've posted here is/are things that have worked for me personally or I've seen work consistently based on other Q&A's such as this one. Cheers. *edited for clarity
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 14:43:08
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as hindsight I should have just brought a yeti. I think the issue with understanding is I got in over my head and over what I need. ...to put it in your words... I wanted to swat a fly (knowing nothing about the subject) and got talked into getting a buick cause its better. Too many experts telling me what is better. Sure its overkill but I assumed better was better. ..or in gaming terms... It would be like buying a nvidia titan X for playing runescape.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 15:01:05
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DethBringa as hindsight I should have just brought a yeti. I think the issue with understanding is I got in over my head and over what I need. ...to put it in your words... I wanted to swat a fly (knowing nothing about the subject) and got talked into getting a buick cause its better. Too many experts telling me what is better. Sure its overkill but I assumed better was better. ..or in gaming terms... It would be like buying a nvidia titan X for playing runescape.
Don't get me wrong. If you are referring to the TASCAM that is indeed a good puchase for what you are doing. It doesn't only act as a conduit for audio it also takes significant load off the onboard soundcard during recording or editing or during playback. As you said it IS like adding a high end gaming/video card BUT... in the same way it takes on the extra resource load a high end game/video task would otherwise dump onto the usually inadequate onboard vid and ultimately the CPU. Audio, much like video, is very taxing on system resources. If you can set this all up correctly then the audio interface will help you run and record your games, any screencap vid software and your audio recorder (all of which a resource hungry tasks) with less risk of dropouts/glitching/etc in the audio, the video and the gameplay. If that makes any sense. FWIW, even though I am not really a gamer I keep my old copies of CoD 1 and 2 around in case I want to spend an hour blowing crap up. I run it through my Focusrite interface and monitor through my studio headphones and it is freaking BRILLIANT as far as sound.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 15:24:40
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I'm thinking about next purchase, I would like to get some really good headphones but I had so many issues with my back and neck with my old headset I'm thinking of sticking with my speakers. I've been a PC gamer since the original civilization. What I expected was install, plug in, work. But it seems that was a wrong assumption. I think the 2nd place I went wrong was deciding to play with sonar.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 15:53:20
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Russ.15 ASIO drivers are exclusive, and Sonar seems to be pretty strict about not sharing the ASIO driver with anything else.
I'm not too sure about that statement. I use ASIO with my RME UFX and I can play Windows media player simultaneous with SONAR playing (I know, I know, that's what most people say my songs sound like). FWIW, I've had the "share audio device" (or whatever it's called) set ON/Clicked in SONAR for years.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 16:07:25
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In addition to the Sonar "share audio device", there is a setting for exclusive mode on the Windows side of the sound settings too.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 16:10:37
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abacab In addition to the Sonar "share audio device", there is a setting for exclusive mode on the Windows side of the sound settings too.

Since I've never (IIRC) seen that dialog I have to assume I'm set to whatever the Win10 Upgrade set me to. But when I say I've been able to play Windows Media Player AND SONAR simultaneously I mean from WIN XP Pro on through Win 7 Pro Clean Install through to Win 10 Pro upgrade.
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2017/01/25 16:11:46
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Personally I have been using an external audio interface on my main PC for years as the only audio device, FOR EVERYTHING, without difficulty. It is much easier to send everything out to one set of monitors/speakers that way. I have generally kept my onboard audio disabled in the BIOS. I recall trying to use both audio drivers at one time, but that became impractical for me. One weird thing that I have noticed, is that when using one app that grabs the ASIO driver, such as Sonar, is that if I start another app such as Reaper that needs ASIO, I get the "no driver available" alert. But Windows, browsers, and other media apps seem to get along fine as long as they are not configured specifically to use ASIO.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 17:44:47
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DethBringa It seems to be pulling me in the exact opposite direction of where I want to go. number 1 is gaming with a close 2nd being communication. Anything locking me out of that without a real gain isn't what I'm after. Playing with programs like sonar really is way down the list unless there is a gain without loss.
Actually, something like these are all you probably need for your microphone ... for $99 ... each has one XLR mic input, plus one instrument input. And nothing you don't really need, except for more bundled software Focusrite Scarlett Solo (2nd Gen) USB Audio InterfaceScarlett Solo is our simplest and most compact interface. It's ideal for singer songwriters and guitar players looking for the easiest way to record studio-quality music onto Mac or PC.https://www.amazon.com/Fo...ce-Tools/dp/B01E6T56CM M-Audio M-Track 2X2 C-SeriesWith M-Audio’s C-Series Interfaces, high-quality signal capture has never been easier.New, pro-grade 'Crystal' Preamps provide musicians and producers with a transparent, low-noise solution that guarantees to get the best out of your microphone and capture your performance the way it was intended to be heard. A +48V Phantom Power Switch ensures compatibility with all microphone types, including sensitive condenser mics.https://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-M-Track-2X2M-Interface-24-bit/dp/B01FFH5XMC/ref=dp_ob_title_ce?th=1
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2017/01/25 20:25:10
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originally I was going to look at a presonus audiobox but got talked into the tascam. almost feel taSCAM.
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2017/01/25 21:08:15
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Did you do what I recommended? TASCAM interfaces work just fine, lots have been sold.
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2017/01/25 21:13:02
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DethBringa originally I was going to look at a presonus audiobox but got talked into the tascam. almost feel taSCAM.
This type of post, despite your frustration, will not help your cause. Just a heads up.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 21:13:25
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Anderton Did you do what I recommended? TASCAM interfaces work just fine, lots have been sold.
Yes, on page 3.
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 21:41:10
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So what the did the settings panel say? And did you have any problems uninstalling the mixer app?
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Re: Would love some live help from someone to get my sonar to output audio.
2017/01/25 23:13:39
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Well the usb driver is older than the one included in the bundle so installing that separate is a no go. But if I want to use sonar I need to first do clean install of drivers+software file then plug in the tascam unit, then set all audio output to my HDMI screen (cant use my speakers), then set my webcam mic as the default mic (cant use my new mic), then set the mixer app to DAW. I also have to exit anything that can access audio (speakers and or mic). Only after all that can I use sonar. BUT if I forget to change all of that and accidentally load up sonar without changing all that I have to go back and re-do all those steps. Long story short, I have to choose. A) Sonar or B) speakers and mic
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