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June 02, 13 2:23 AM
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This forum is a great place to help users in handling 95% of these things that are somehow considered to be 'bugs' by users who don't know any better than to call them that. Look, unless someone else can reproduce what someone thinks is a 'bug' it probably isn't. If someone else can't make it happen it is probably something that YOU are doing wrong - not Cakewalk. Not all bugs are reproducable and some are very elusive, e.g. the disappearing Now Time indicator. This is still a bug though and needs to be fixed.
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 7:55 AM
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you know, I went over to the Studio One forum and their complaining about how come it's taking so long for a patch to fix their bugs... Go figure
Similar things are posted in the Samplitude forum, as well.
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June 02, 13 9:20 AM
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Not all bugs are reproducable and some are very elusive, e.g. the disappearing Now Time indicator. This is still a bug though and needs to be fixed. No argument here mate. I'm not claiming that there aren't bugs, just not nearly as many as some of the folks on this forum want to make out. First, if something is working as it shows in the manual, it is not a bug. The vast majority of the problems that people post in this forum really do resolve to RTFM (read the friggin manual) issues. If someone can show that the manual says to do A, B, and C, and the result will be D, and a user follows those steps and does not get to D, then there is a bug. When a user expects to get E as a result because that is how it worked in version 6, then this is not a bug. The problem with bugs not being reproducible is that no programmer can fix a problem that can not be recreated. I've been trying to recreate a bug in the Console View that causes a hard crash for several weeks now. I could not get it to happen on my system. One day (the planets aligned and the moon was in the right phase) I was able to make it happen dependably on my system. At least a dozen of the (in my opinion) most knowledgeable users on this forum tried to replicate the problem following my steps and were not able to. I do believe in bugs. Even with this issue, X2a still works for me. I just have to use the workaround of not displaying the Pro Channel in the Inspector View while I am using the Console View. I am absolutely confident that once I can show what is causing the problem that 'The Bakers' will fix it. I have a list of other bugs that I have pinned down that they have fixed. The Bakers are actually pretty good to work with if you can get them to the cause of a problem. Glen
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 9:55 AM
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This forum is a great place to help users in handling 95% of these things that are somehow considered to be 'bugs' by users who don't know any better than to call them that. Look, unless someone else can reproduce what someone thinks is a 'bug' it probably isn't. If someone else can't make it happen it is probably something that YOU are doing wrong - not Cakewalk. Not all bugs are reproducable and some are very elusive, e.g. the disappearing Now Time indicator. This is still a bug though and needs to be fixed.
No not a bug! Not according to some people here and all the other hand full bugs making even "pop up" crash message. Its embedded new features in X2. You just haven't read the manual hard enough or read it proper.  Or you just thought the "feature" were implemented in other way, not to disappear randomly. As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it. Also CRTL + Z = undo should give you a crash message during arrangement/ moving large quantities of moved clips. According to some here, the crash message and close the program in one go is a "feature" implemented in another way you expected it to be. Don't you get it? CTRL+ Z ---->are not Undo. Its = Crash and then end/close the projects with a error message. Thanks cakewalk for that feature. I can't wait for X3. 
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June 02, 13 10:08 AM
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 LOL Thanks Freddie H
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June 02, 13 10:14 AM
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Its called Play List and is used to automatically load projects one after another for playback.
holy swift, ive never even heard of this, I feel like a noob / knob. :) thanks john
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June 02, 13 10:16 AM
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Freddie H
X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update? 
There are no excuse that we need to sit and wait for a simple "fix - problems" update so long. I use SONAR X2 in m daily job, a tool for me making music and productions. X2a okay stable but all other DAWs are that too like Cubase, Logic, Samplitude. I wouldn't expect less from a professional DAW program... or isn't SONAR X2 that?
Still I have found "bugs" /problems still no one seem to care to fix them at Cakewalk? Cakewalk use to be fast on sending out update not slooooooooooowwwwwww as today. I really like that. Also they use to add new things, listing on the customers. I will soon leave this boat if this pattern continue.
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NO! I will not buy X3 I have had it. I'm looking and thinking of going back to Cubase 7 that has features like stability, VST3 + audio features, fantastic new mixer view use of large project, ICONS, METER, FREE COLOR of TASTE of the program GUI, Control Room, batch, Score notation, video-engine, and support of professional hardware control like EUCON, SSL, Yamaha right out of the box. I love SONAR GUI and Pro channel but the last year its not the same Cakewalk anymore. No color option, no VST3, no listen on customer, fire key members of Cakewalk organization, it seem more less Cakewalk ending their business? Perhaps they aiming to make programs to beginners / toys and "first time" amature segment obviously not the professional user. They seem more interested of putting all effort making Music creator 6, download with Steam when you download your other games... instead of making a update patch B for the professional users..
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 10:19 AM
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As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it. Freddie, I have never had my NOW TIME indicator randomly disappear. If you can show me how to make that happen (and it is documented in the user manual that it should not be hidden as a result of some user action) I am more than willing to key in a bug report for the problem. Fact is, it just does not happen with my setup. Now it may just be that you are accidentally hitting the scroll lock or some other keyboard short-cut that makes it go away. If this is the case the bug is on the other side of the keyboard. Also CRTL + Z = undo should give you a crash message during arrangement/ moving large quantities of moved clips. According to some here, the crash message and close the program in one go is a "feature" implemented in another way you expected it to be. Don't you get it? CTRL+ Z ---->are not Undo. Its = Crash and then end/close the projects with a error message. Thanks cakewalk for that feature. I can't wait for X3. As to control-Z causing a crash, I would bet that if you were to look at your system event logger you just might find that you ran out of memory trying to execute the undo. Cakewalk is not responsible for how much memory you have in your system. Running out of memory is not a feature but it is more like running out of gas in your car. Probably not a design flaw at Ford. Would it make your situation any better if you got a pop-up that said "buy more memory" before X2 crashed on you?
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June 02, 13 10:21 AM
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LOL Thanks Freddie H
Yes LOL... sad but true..
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June 02, 13 10:25 AM
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This forum is a great place to help users in handling 95% of these things that are somehow considered to be 'bugs' by users who don't know any better than to call them that. Look, unless someone else can reproduce what someone thinks is a 'bug' it probably isn't. If someone else can't make it happen it is probably something that YOU are doing wrong - not Cakewalk. Not all bugs are reproducable and some are very elusive, e.g. the disappearing Now Time indicator. This is still a bug though and needs to be fixed.
No not a bug! Not according to some people here and all the other hand full bugs making even "pop up" crash message.
Its embedded new features in X2.
You just haven't read the manual hard enough or read it proper.
Or you just thought the "feature" were implemented in other way, not to disappear randomly.
As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it.
Also CRTL + Z = undo should give you a crash message during arrangement/ moving large quantities of moved clips.
According to some here, the crash message and close the program in one go is a "feature" implemented in another way you expected it to be. Don't you get it? CTRL+ Z ---->are not Undo. Its = Crash and then end/close the projects with a error message.
Thanks cakewalk for that feature. I can't wait for X3.
its strange, I have never had my nowtime disappear. ive heard a couple people here say it has, but its not happen to me. how often does that happen ? does cont+z happen a lot as well ? no disrespect in anyway freddy, just curious buddy.
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June 02, 13 10:26 AM
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As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it.
Freddie, I have never had my NOW TIME indicator randomly disappear. If you can show me how to make that happen (and it is documented in the user manual that it should not be hidden as a result of some user action) I am more than willing to key in a bug report for the problem. Fact is, it just does not happen with my setup. Now it may just be that you are accidentally hitting the scroll lock or some other keyboard short-cut that makes it go away. If this is the case the bug is on the other side of the keyboard.
Also CRTL + Z = undo should give you a crash message during arrangement/ moving large quantities of moved clips. According to some here, the crash message and close the program in one go is a "feature" implemented in another way you expected it to be. Don't you get it? CTRL+ Z ---->are not Undo. Its = Crash and then end/close the projects with a error message. Thanks cakewalk for that feature. I can't wait for X3.
As to control-Z causing a crash, I would bet that if you were to look at your system event logger you just might find that you ran out of memory trying to execute the undo. Cakewalk is not responsible for how much memory you have in your system. Running out of memory is not a feature but it is more like running out of gas in your car. Probably not a design flaw at Ford. Would it make your situation any better if you got a pop-up that said "buy more memory" before X2 crashed on you?
sure... it happens here sometimes and for others too. No real danger, save close restart SONAR and project and it works again. There are other bugs that are far worse then Time locater.. About RAM I have 16GB + virtual memory give me total 32GB FREE space so I think I'm all set regarding space. Thanks for your inputs anyway.
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June 02, 13 10:31 AM
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Kev999
gcolbert
This forum is a great place to help users in handling 95% of these things that are somehow considered to be 'bugs' by users who don't know any better than to call them that. Look, unless someone else can reproduce what someone thinks is a 'bug' it probably isn't. If someone else can't make it happen it is probably something that YOU are doing wrong - not Cakewalk. Not all bugs are reproducable and some are very elusive, e.g. the disappearing Now Time indicator. This is still a bug though and needs to be fixed.
No not a bug! Not according to some people here and all the other hand full bugs making even "pop up" crash message.
Its embedded new features in X2.
You just haven't read the manual hard enough or read it proper.
Or you just thought the "feature" were implemented in other way, not to disappear randomly.
As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it.
Also CRTL + Z = undo should give you a crash message during arrangement/ moving large quantities of moved clips.
According to some here, the crash message and close the program in one go is a "feature" implemented in another way you expected it to be. Don't you get it? CTRL+ Z ---->are not Undo. Its = Crash and then end/close the projects with a error message.
Thanks cakewalk for that feature. I can't wait for X3.
its strange, I have never had my nowtime disappear.
ive heard a couple people here say it has, but its not happen to me.
how often does that happen ?
does cont+z happen a lot as well ?
no disrespect in anyway freddy, just curious buddy.
perhaps once or two a week...so not very often. In use of SONAR X2 approximately 8-10 hour a day.
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June 02, 13 10:35 AM
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Just out of interest, what is the correct definition for a 'bug'?
It seems to me that some of you see a crucial part of such a definition to be that a bug is reproducible.
But I experience a 'bug' with the Now Time Marker that isn't 'reproducible' - even on just my system. It doesn't disappear as some have noted, it just fails to move at all when I hit the transport (in Play and Record); the only way I've found to cure this is to switch to the Console View and back again to the Track View. I can't cause this 'bug' and it happens only intermittently.
So should this be classified as a bug? Or should we maybe refer to it as a 'glitch'?
Or could my system be the cause of the fault? Or maybe I've hit a keyboard shortcut by accident?
Edit to clarify - when the NTM fails to move, the project still plays or records correctly. And the problem is nothing to do with the Scroll Lock or Pause/Break buttons.
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June 02, 13 10:52 AM
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Just out of interest, what is the correct definition for a 'bug'? It seems to me that some of you see a crucial part of such a definition to be that a bug is reproducible. Technically, a bug is something not working as intended. But to narrow that down even further, that something's root cause is within the application and not as a result of the environment from which the application is run. (not that making the app more "fault tolerant" is a bad thing) Being able to reproduce an issue is critical, but only that development can reproduce it. if only one out of a thousand users can reproduce a specific issue, it's sort of irrelevant as long as CW development can too. Although, that bug may not be real high on the priority list... My views come from 15+ years working for a fairly large software company, where I've heard enough user complaints and descriptions to make that distinction. However, at the same time if I think a design intent is likely to result in a lot of user complaints, I have no problem reporting that to the development staff (I'm in support). Yet I know that outright bugs will still come first, with crashes & potential data loss at the top of that list. Just imagine if everyone had a top three list for CW, yet only the top three of all those lists actually made it through. What three things would we actually see in the next version?
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June 02, 13 10:56 AM
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Edit: Duplicate post courtesy of IE9.
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June 02, 13 11:09 AM
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Just out of interest, what is the correct definition for a 'bug'? A bug is a program response that is different from what the program WAS DESIGNED to do. It does not matter if the design is just simply stupid and the results are insane, if the program was designed to do what it is doing it is not a bug. For example, if the design is that you click on the track header, then select a clip by typing in the arabic representation for the track name, then typing in the first three letters of the Greek Alphabet it is not a bug when a clip is not selected automatically by simply left clicking on it. It seems to me that some of you see a crucial part of such a definition to be that a bug is reproducible. But I experience a 'bug' with the Now Time Marker that isn't 'reproducible' - even on just my system. That a 'bug' is not reproducible does not mean that it is not a bug. It does, however, mean that it can not be fixed by a programmer. Issues that can not be reproduced can not be corrected. If a 'bug' of this nature is happening you need to either get used to it or figure out how to reproduce it because it will not go away through any other action. It doesn't disappear as some have noted, it just fails to move at all when I hit the transport (in Play and Record); the only way I've found to cure this is to switch to the Console View and back again to the Track View. I can't cause this 'bug' and it happens only intermittently. So should this be classified as a bug? Or should we maybe refer to it as a 'glitch'? The only time I have observed the NOW TIME marker getting lost was on an underpowered system (Atom 450 notebook) that did not have the graphic horsepower to keep up with the project display. My hardware meets the "Minimum System Requirements" specified by Cakewalk, which could be the reason I'm not seeing this issue. On the premise that this is caused by underperforming hardware - would you still consider it a 'bug?' What if it is running on a system that shares the video IRQ with a 'blue tooth' mouse or a network card that steals the redraw cycles from the graphics processor so that the line is not redrawn? Or could my system be the cause of the fault? Or maybe I've hit a keyboard shortcut by accident? The only way to get to this answer is to determine how to repeat the problem and have others who then follow your steps and encounter the same results.
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June 02, 13 11:20 AM
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The Now Time Marker...
Similar to Freddie H, the frequency which it disappears on me is about a couple of times a week. It's never good to have to stop what I am doing to close down and reopen the project for something like that. Toggling the Inspector (I) seems to restore it for some, but not for me. I reported it to support in January and they knew enough about to ask me to try the "I" trick, and they told me it was being looked at. Based on what I can tell, the likelihood of it happening jumps if you are a PRV user.
I am dealing with other display related issues, and I consider this to be in the same category. All drivers and firmware are up to date (and I have tried previous versions as well), and Sonar X2a is the only application that exhibits this quirky behavior. If anyone has any constructive suggestions I would appreciate you looking at my posts concerning this issue and reply.
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June 02, 13 11:28 AM
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Hi Freddy have you done a quick check on the many Cubase's forum???Users are not all very happy I saw it. I'm a pro and my Sonar X2 DAW is very stable and responsive to create my prj and mix and master the client's prjs. For me is the best DAW on the market and my clients begin to choose the Sonar X2 master for it sound more analitic and full,over the other DAW in the studio. Finally, neglecting to mention technical details i think that Cubase is really ugly.It's only my tought.Best
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June 02, 13 11:31 AM
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Thanks Steve and Glen for the excellent explanations.
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June 02, 13 11:44 AM
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Timeline: This happened to me all the time before the hot fix. I even reported it. I've not had it happen to me since the hotfix and it has been completely stable since the last update.
Some people complain about it disappearing during editing where your project stops auto-scrolling. Keep in mind that this is by design. Right clicking on your time line will make the project scroll once again. Your project is just pausing here so you can edit without losing your place.
But as far as the TL just disappearing on me completely....not since hot fix. I had a serious problem with this when X2 first came out so I cried like a baby when it was happening to me. Why it still happens to some....I'm not quite sure. But it hasn't happened to me since the initial release thank God.
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June 02, 13 11:52 AM
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I'm using X2a and I'm affraid I get the timeline marker disappear on me on a random basis too.
It's weird .....
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June 02, 13 12:00 AM
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As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it.
Freddie, I have never had my NOW TIME indicator randomly disappear. If you can show me how to make that happen (and it is documented in the user manual that it should not be hidden as a result of some user action) I am more than willing to key in a bug report for the problem. Fact is, it just does not happen with my setup. Now it may just be that you are accidentally hitting the scroll lock or some other keyboard short-cut that makes it go away. If this is the case the bug is on the other side of the keyboard.
I haven't said much here, but there are things I agree with and some not...
This item is for real and the only workaround I've found is to close Sonar and re-open it...
If we could give a repeatable recipe it might have been fixed already as it's been with us since X2...
I won't rant about the bugs that are known, nor my own complaints about what I consider to be bad design decisions, but they are there...
...and they are there in ALL the competitors' products as well. Each with their own...
Cakewalk has always been very well connected to their user base and I can only hope that such survives the corporate assimilation into Roland...
Right now I'm very skeptical with nowhere to turn as even with it's issues Sonar still fills my needs better than the others...
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June 02, 13 12:26 AM
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Strummy, you are correct that a bug does not have to be had by or even reproduced by all.
But I believe that more than one or two people should have to experience the same issue.
Some bugs, like the one I used to have with clip envelopes, (volume and pan) were tough to replicate.
I was not the only person that noticed during some playback's the envelopes would work, then on the next pass they wouldn't.
I reported it to CW but it's damn near impossible to fix something that is totally random and can't be reproduced at will.
Since the 'X' versions I have not seen this so I'm guessing that something, somewhere in the code somehow straightened that one out.
I gotta hand it to CW.
It can't be easy writing a program for Windows and PC. The good and bad about PC's are the same problem.
PC is made to work with just about all software and hardware combinations.
There must be billions of different configurations out there.
Considering that, I think Cakewalk is doing an excellent job of putting out a stable program.
Stable for all? Of course not. But as a whole, yeah a pretty stable environment.
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 12:31 AM
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As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it.
Freddie, I have never had my NOW TIME indicator randomly disappear. If you can show me how to make that happen (and it is documented in the user manual that it should not be hidden as a result of some user action) I am more than willing to key in a bug report for the problem. Fact is, it just does not happen with my setup. Now it may just be that you are accidentally hitting the scroll lock or some other keyboard short-cut that makes it go away. If this is the case the bug is on the other side of the keyboard.
I haven't said much here, but there are things I agree with and some not...
This item is for real and the only workaround I've found is to close Sonar and re-open it...
If we could give a repeatable recipe it might have been fixed already as it's been with us since X2...
I won't rant about the bugs that are known, nor my own complaints about what I consider to be bad design decisions, but they are there...
...and they are there in ALL the competitors' products as well. Each with their own...
Cakewalk has always been very well connected to their user base and I can only hope that such survives the corporate assimilation into Roland...
Right now I'm very skeptical with nowhere to turn as even with it's issues Sonar still fills my needs better than the others...
Keni
So Keni, how's the forum software been treating ya?  Sorry but If I go all week without complaining about the forum software I feel somewhat empty inside. Mike
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 12:57 AM
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I think that the most frustrating part of all of this is the complete lack of communication from Cakewalk. We've all invested in their company and product. If there was at least something to look forward to... +1. I would like to at least hear something from them now and then. J
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 1:34 PM
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This is why I will use the term, "issue", or possible bug, myself. Only if I can reproduce the issue on-command, every time, then I will refer it as a bug.
Distinction in terms, however, downplays the importance in resolving issues.
So, I will introduce a new term for us all to use, that even CW can't ignore, because they do understand just what we mean: Cursident - repeated unreasonable, unexpected result, that does not yet qualify to be a bug, but does qualify for support attention.
Incidents or anomalies, maybe even the occasional bug will raise an eyebrow, prompt a re-try, and "Carry-On". Two occurrences of the same thing (or similar to) will get a huff, three will garner a "wtf", but FOUR times, within one session will give us at least one curse-word. That's not enough to give us a "bug", but it sure feels like someone didn't do their homework, whether it be the computer-maker, Microsoft, CW, Audio/video hardware maker, subversive janitor (Anti-virus software), or the end user. In any case, unless the issue is the End-User, this shouldn't be the customer's problem, right? We paid for a solid product built on a foundation that has actually been tested and free of bugs, correct? Yet, we do live with the acceptance that bugs are simply a way of life, or the software developer companies won't remain competitive.
I think they're doing a pretty good job, but let's not stop at resolving bugs. Let's move on to resolve issues, or at least check out what could be the problem. CW should have developed some debugging tools to remain well inside Sonar, that could be enabled/disabled from a separate program.exe, not from within Sonar. From that, we could let it run for a while and when the cursident occurs, we at least have a way to "snap-shot" Sonar and logs to report. And if the program crashes, the crash-reporter will have a few more options, some of which the more intelligent of us might actually be able to check out on our own.
But there you have it, cursident. By the fourth time you have an issue, it makes you curse, and that should be a cause to at least log the occurrence at CW.
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 1:49 PM
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Perhaps they aiming to make programs to beginners / toys and "first time" amature segment obviously not the professional user. They seem more interested of putting all effort making Music creator 6, download with Steam when you download your other games... instead of making a update patch B for the professional users..
I sometimes wonder if there isn't more money and easier money in the MC6 and i-crap markets than there is in the pro market that competes with PT... like Sonar. Software and hardware are both going through major growing pains right now merging workstation and mobile platforms.. (I think). What will the result be? I have no clue but I am afraid that things, for many companies, will be determined by the "lowest common denominator" and the push will be to sell milions of digital trivets instead of fewer truly professional software/hardware combos for home studios. Maybe Bubba can arrange for us to have the best of all possible futures...? Maybe we will soon know where we are headed and maybe it will be better than we ever imagined. My guess is that it will be either really good or really bad, depending on your perspective and expectations and your experience or lack thereof. J
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 2:08 PM
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Perhaps they aiming to make programs to beginners / toys and "first time" amature segment obviously not the professional user. They seem more interested of putting all effort making Music creator 6, download with Steam when you download your other games... instead of making a update patch B for the professional users..
I sometimes wonder if there isn't more money and easier money in the MC6 and i-crap markets than there is in the pro market that competes with PT... like Sonar. Software and hardware are both going through major growing pains right now merging workstation and mobile platforms.. (I think). What will the result be? I have no clue but I am afraid that things, for many companies, will be determined by the "lowest common denominator" and the push will be to sell milions of digital trivets instead of fewer truly professional software/hardware combos for home studios. Maybe Bubba can arrange for us to have the best of all possible futures...?
Maybe we will soon know where we are headed and maybe it will be better than we ever imagined. My guess is that it will be either really good or really bad, depending on your perspective and expectations and your experience or lack thereof.
J
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 2:27 PM
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Some of you guys theorizing on Cakewalks solvency need to have them call me if this is the case I might be able to help.
I bird dog for a law firm that has a 16 year track record of helping companies in dire straits to have more funding from the government in the form of certain major tax advantages.
We only help companies that are privately held and American owned. If Cake wants to buy their company back and they have enough tax liability say $1 million or more (Taxes from corporate plus main stockholders who would have an interest in buying out Roland) I might can have my attorney speak with them and show them how to buy their company back with tax dollars that otherwise would be going to the IRS.
I normally wouldn't mention my day job on this forum at all but Sonar is my DAW of choice and when you have the legal firepower at your disposal to do exceptional things for others you should be proud of it and look to help companies you like, Right?
We have a 16 year track record of lowering tax liability by 75% at least for hundreds of major clients (minimum of $500k tax liability many hundred million dollar plus companies)
We have several expert top of the food chain attorneys who speaks at tax adviser conventions where the other tax advisers (attorneys and CPA's ) qualify for continuing education credits when they listen to these guys.
One actually wrote some of the key tax laws for the government that allow us to do what we do.
I think such a law firm is the one that a large privately held company is wise to use considering our average client saves 75% on their taxes after we take them on as a client and we work on a contingency basis so there is no cost to explore the possibilities because we don't have a retainer.
We help companies transfer from one owner to another all the time.
I feel sorry for those companies that don't have us helping them. Strategies that we offer are only in use by the big 4 accounting firms and we are the only ones who can make them available for smaller privately held companies in fact every CPA who has evaluated our strategies has signed off on them for their client. Because you have to be a fortune 500 company for a big 4 to take you on as a client and the fact we are the only firm that will offer this service without at least a $100,000 plus retainer I am fairly certain we have a functional monopoly on how to do this for large companies.
We are very picky of taking on clients and if your an owner of a company you have to follow our protocol or we drop your case. Companies need us we have plenty of clients and don't really need any more. Yeah I wouldn't mind taking on more business but how many steaks can you eat in a day. I have no more money problems and will retire in the next 3 to 4 years but if some hot shot wants to get into doing what I am doing I am going to explore the possibility of taking on an understudy one day, possibly next year.
As far as bugs go
Lots of things I would like for them to address but I am willing to work with them and not complain.
I have a few friends that are old users and I get lots more help with Sonar than I would if I had some other program. It's my DAW of choice for too many reasons to even consider another DAW.
I am going to upgrade to X2 when I am sure the next update is the one that fixes things for other people. I'm not in a hurry to do this as I am loving X1 and new enough to not have dug into it too deep enough to experience much in the way of limitations.
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Re:X2 A-Update--> 2012-18-12...2013-05-27 and still no new B update?
June 02, 13 3:11 PM
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Just out of interest, what is the correct definition for a 'bug'?
In 1947, Grace Murray Hopper was working on the Harvard University Mark II Aiken Relay Calculator (a primitive computer).
On the 9th of September, 1947, when the machine was experiencing problems, an investigation showed that there was a moth trapped between the points of Relay #70, in Panel F.
The operators removed the moth and affixed it to the log. The entry reads: "First actual case of bug being found."
The word went out that they had "debugged" the machine and the term "debugging a computer program" was born.
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