X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:07:27 (permalink)
Melodyne ARa will not work unless sonar first gets vst3 up and running..

Even in studio one if the vst3 driver is disabled, Melodyne will cest to function.

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:08:58 (permalink)
My thinking is that DAW 2.0 is still in its initial early elements and X2 should come way down in november. While there is 8 months or more for X2 whatever to be released. Cakewalk should not feel satisfied that X1 is where it is today but look at improving on what they have (call it stabilizing or making its look more aesthetically pleasing) Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit but there is so much more to offer remembering this is the first Iteration of the brand X series.

Now is the time they should be thinking whether Brand X is what they really want to be giving to the people as this is what they will be sticking with for the next ten  iterations.

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:09:53 (permalink)
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In this SOS article it basically said Sonar 3 had Gapless audio.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb04/articles/cakewalksonar3.htm
So what happened?
It is my understanding that there's no strikt definition of gapless performance. I have no reason to believe that SONAR 3 was "more gapless" than X1 is now, on the kontrary I feel that X1D x64 is the smoothest version I've ever run (never had SONAR 3, though).
 
But many feel that SONAR has always been more 'gappy' than most of the kompetition when looping or making edits/inserting plugins on the fly! 
 
EDIT: I did have SONAR 2 though, and I seem to remember there was very little you were allowed to do in terms of edits, etc. while playback was running. That's probably what they meant with SONAR 3 being gapless.





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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:10:27 (permalink)
I bet they've not thought of improving it. You should email head office with such an inspired idea.

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:11:11 (permalink)
I think you're right there, Sven, I don't think there's an agreed definition of what it means either.

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:24:34 (permalink)
Gap less for me out of the choices presented

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:53:04 (permalink)
Work in studio one more then 5 mins and you'll know how gapless works. It's total control of the DAW without hiccups, pops, clicks, or dropouts.

This includes dropping vsts into the song, editing audio, plugin tweaking, loading, stretching, rendering, etc. It always a flawless workflow without that uneasy "I should stop the music, I might dropout" feeling. 

For some it might not be a show stopper, but for others that depend on quick turn around and a streamline workflow, it's a must have.

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 08:55:29 (permalink)
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this includes ability to switch off extra column in Inspector View, the next level of inputs/outputs or whatever it is
You can already do that. Grab the edge of the inspector window to the right of the bus track column and drag it left. Result is single column inspector. It will widen again when viewing the PC but also re-narrows on closing it.

Better still is it is screenset dependant so you can have it dual width in some and narrow in others.

HTH. 


Thank you.
I got the tip at the time I ran the trial as well.

But as soon you touch any of the tabs inside Inspector it widened again, demanding manual intervention again.

Maybe they fixed it though, so it remembers where it was.

If looking at routing of tracks, I think Studio One has a good approach as far as I got in that software trial.

I was just confused by X1 approach with this extra stuff in Inspector - cluttering the interface. And in my case it said "Master" making me scratch my head, since Master could be seen in it's regular spot as well.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 09:50:08 (permalink)
Maybe they fixed it though, so it remembers where it was.

 
Yeah, I think it was X1c or Expanded (?) where they fixed the Track Inspector to stay where you left it, same for the CV.  
 

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 11:17:22 (permalink)
I was just confused by X1 approach with this extra stuff in Inspector - cluttering the interface. And in my case it said "Master" making me scratch my head, since Master could be seen in it's regular spot as well
The buss on the right is the down stream buss from the track. i.e. Whatever the track output is set to you see on the right side of the inspector. I find it very handy but it can def be narrowed and it 'sticks' if you want it that way.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 11:24:33 (permalink)
Scott Lee


Melodyne ARa will not work unless sonar first gets vst3 up and running..

Even in studio one if the vst3 driver is disabled, Melodyne will cest to function.

Best,


ok, VST3 and Melodyne ARA integration :)
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 12:08:01 (permalink)
improvements to Staff View would be my #1 hope

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 12:20:42 (permalink)
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 13:04:06 (permalink)
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 13:10:41 (permalink)
Automation!!! Must be!!

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 13:59:31 (permalink)
Work in studio one more then 5 mins and you'll know how gapless works. It's total control of the DAW without hiccups, pops, clicks, or dropouts.



The biggest workflow killer by far.. I lose interest in so many great projects just cause of the lack of gapless audio..
 Instance #1 your armed for automation on lets say Z8ta-2 and you start your track from the beginning you have one of those nice arps playing with one  sustained note , you go to automate the filter at lets say 2 mins , but you have to start the track from the beginning where the note is first played so it can be triggered ( Freeze won't work ), you hit the 2 min mark where you wanna automate the filter , grab the knob and BANG hiccup/pause/dropout whatever you wanna call it .. Guess what now you have to restart the track.. ( REALLY!! ).  Now thats just the tip of the ice berg where gapless is needed..
  I can totally understand those that dont record using VST's , couldn't care less. But having to restart just S**Ks and is a waste of time..
 Note it dosent have to be a sustained note either, it happens with regular patterns too, but you dont have to restart from the beginning n what happens sometimes is that everything goes out of sync , until you restart, with a complete stop only, a rewind would just keep you out of sync,  ...meaning clicking backwards on the time line, is a no no..  Looping is the same you literally have to stop the track to prevent from going out of sync.
  I do feel gapless shouldn't have to be a feature in X2 it should be worked out and given to us in an update. Would I pay for it? YES .. But should we? NO.. 
 Same goes with VST3 just like 64 bit rewire.. Its should be standard ..

  PLEASE BAKERS bake us a Gapless audio pie!

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 14:15:10 (permalink)
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 15:35:24 (permalink)
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 15:44:59 (permalink)
Enhancements to tempo specification and editing.
 
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 15:56:46 (permalink)
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Work in studio one more then 5 mins and you'll know how gapless works. It's total control of the DAW without hiccups, pops, clicks, or dropouts.

This includes dropping vsts into the song, editing audio, plugin tweaking, loading, stretching, rendering, etc. It always a flawless workflow without that uneasy "I should stop the music, I might dropout" feeling. 

For some it might not be a show stopper, but for others that depend on quick turn around and a streamline workflow, it's a must have.

Best,
I been working tha past few months on a Mac pro with the latests Intel CPU and tons of RAM and a modern DIGI003, Pro Tools its not more,nor less gapless than Sonar...its all about configurations, plugins, buffers, how many tracks and effects online,ect etc etc

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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 16:14:18 (permalink)
dmbaer


Enhancements to tempo specification and editing.
 
I know ... voice in the wilderness here. 


I'm with you.  The first thing I do in any project is set the tempo.  I don't know why there isn't a quick way to get to tap tempo than Project>Insert Tempo Change...
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 16:44:52 (permalink)
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dmbaer


Enhancements to tempo specification and editing.

I know ... voice in the wilderness here. 


I'm with you.  The first thing I do in any project is set the tempo.  I don't know why there isn't a quick way to get to tap tempo than Project>Insert Tempo Change...


Set up a keyboard shortcut?
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 16:51:06 (permalink)
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Work in studio one more then 5 mins and you'll know how gapless works. It's total control of the DAW without hiccups, pops, clicks, or dropouts.



The biggest workflow killer by far.. I lose interest in so many great projects just cause of the lack of gapless audio..
Instance #1 your armed for automation on lets say Z8ta-2 and you start your track from the beginning you have one of those nice arps playing with one  sustained note , you go to automate the filter at lets say 2 mins , but you have to start the track from the beginning where the note is first played so it can be triggered ( Freeze won't work ), you hit the 2 min mark where you wanna automate the filter , grab the knob and BANG hiccup/pause/dropout whatever you wanna call it .. Guess what now you have to restart the track.. ( REALLY!! ).  Now thats just the tip of the ice berg where gapless is needed..
I can totally understand those that dont record using VST's , couldn't care less. But having to restart just S**Ks and is a waste of time..
Note it dosent have to be a sustained note either, it happens with regular patterns too, but you dont have to restart from the beginning n what happens sometimes is that everything goes out of sync , until you restart, with a complete stop only, a rewind would just keep you out of sync,  ...meaning clicking backwards on the time line, is a no no..  Looping is the same you literally have to stop the track to prevent from going out of sync.
I do feel gapless shouldn't have to be a feature in X2 it should be worked out and given to us in an update. Would I pay for it? YES .. But should we? NO.. 
Same goes with VST3 just like 64 bit rewire.. Its should be standard ..

PLEASE BAKERS bake us a Gapless audio pie!

I notice you said a key word. "Those nice arps playing"


I take it you write EDM music. Sonar is a guitar heavy crowd so I feel your pain my friend. 


A lot are seeing the importance of having gapless now. thats great news for everyone.







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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 16:54:57 (permalink)
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Work in studio one more then 5 mins and you'll know how gapless works. It's total control of the DAW without hiccups, pops, clicks, or dropouts.

This includes dropping vsts into the song, editing audio, plugin tweaking, loading, stretching, rendering, etc. It always a flawless workflow without that uneasy "I should stop the music, I might dropout" feeling. 

For some it might not be a show stopper, but for others that depend on quick turn around and a streamline workflow, it's a must have.

Best,
I been working tha past few months on a Mac pro with the latests Intel CPU and tons of RAM and a modern DIGI003, Pro Tools its not more,nor less gapless than Sonar...its all about configurations, plugins, buffers, how many tracks and effects online,ect etc etc



No where did I mention Pro Tools. I was speaking of PreSonus Studio One. 

Also no amount of tweaking, tuning, hardcore system, preying will make Sonar gapless in its current form.


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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 17:08:39 (permalink)
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Quote from FastBikerBoy:
 
Easy one for me - a revamp of the Mackie control surface protocol. Long, long overdue.

 
 
Me too, but Roland wants to sell 700s.  6months after I bought SI-24/RPI Roland stopped supporting it. Just buy our new surface. Fool me once....That's why I decided on the Mackie and Novation control combo. Not as seamless as a 700 would be, but I'll never buy another Roland control surface again. Whover makes these decisions, do they think we have nowhere else to go? Do they think we'll forget a good screwing?


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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one? 2012/03/15 17:46:31 (permalink)
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Buss/Sends - selection/routing

 
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The definition of Gapless is Ableton LIVE

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You can put me down for gapless audio engine. :)


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