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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/15 21:41:20
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 03:37:35
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Personally I would like to see an improvement in the PRV. The velocity/control command pane from CWMC 2004 is what I am used to. Having a separate lane for every CC and Velocity for each Track/Channel makes it unuseable for me since my preferred editing mode with the PRV is to have all MIDI tracks at once visible, and I can just hide and grey out the tracks I don't want to edit.
I also would like have to have the grid resolution not set to 1/4 every time I change the note length. I would like to have a distinct grid line for every 1/4 note. (Like it used to have in CWMC 2004 with gray gridlines for any divisions smaller than 1/4 note and an orange gridline every 1/4 note) I also would like to be able to enter notes and specify their lengths in one action by clicking the start time and dragging towards the end time, or the other way around.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 04:46:13
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 05:09:38
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gapless audio & 5.1. vst's (=vst3?)
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 07:08:29
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tomixornot
With respect to the poll, but regardless of the result, you should fill in your feature request here, just saying.. if you don't already know :)
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx
Definitely!! But I think it's useful to have the forum's kollektive opinion kondensed in this poll for everyone to see as well!
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 11:40:20
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stevec
Maybe they fixed it though, so it remembers where it was.
Yeah, I think it was X1c or Expanded (?) where they fixed the Track Inspector to stay where you left it, same for the CV.
Thanks, that's good. I guess I wasn't alone on that one.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 13:00:18
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 13:57:35
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VST3 support. I'm happy with the automation though if automation makeover includes an entire fix up of ACT or something new, including the ability to use MIDI on plugins without enabling them as synths..then that would get my vote.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 14:17:46
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I'd really like some improvements on video support. I'd like to be able to drag video clips around in the timeline, it should handle more formats, preview window could do with a refresh in terms of UI (eg, get "full screen" on a button rather than buried a couple of steps down in a cascading menu)... just a general all round update of video.
+1 on all of the above with SV being a close 2nd
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 14:20:10
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Hmmmm - I do like gapless - but it doesn't impact what I use X1 for.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a spectrum analyzer (cpu friendly) to toggle on or of on the graphic equilizer screen.
Maybe greater control of the work surface - simple things that make sense, like colors for one, then maybe user defined width for channel strips. Then a way to export this so we can share.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 14:27:16
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i'd like everything to be tested on the quoted minimum spec machine (and resulting bugs fixed)
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 14:57:10
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STAFF VIEW. I challenge anyone to demonstrate this is not the single most neglected feature ever in Cakewalk's history.
post edited by Gusfmm - 2012/03/16 15:03:38
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 16:17:27
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OK - With respect... I will take this challenge on a personal level... I can't read music. It isn't neglected at all in my case.. I wouldn't know what to do with a sheet of music if you offered it to me, other than pass it to the next in line. Did that win? :o)
I can imagine for some this would be important, but I learned (and continue to do so) by ear and watching.
Best Regards,
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 16:35:02
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LLyons
OK - With respect... I will take this challenge on a personal level... I can't read music. It isn't neglected at all in my case.. I wouldn't know what to do with a sheet of music if you offered it to me, other than pass it to the next in line. Did that win? :o)
I can imagine for some this would be important, but I learned (and continue to do so) by ear and watching.
Best Regards,
Lance
I don't use the Staff View much either (even though I aktually read music to a fair degree). But for komposers who need to have sheet music to give to professional musicians, or the many trained musicians who pikture musik in their heads as notes, a funktioning staff view is an essential part of a musik komposition tool like SONAR. I sertainly sympathise with the Staff View people and agree that it's lagging far behind the rest of the program.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 17:53:31
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Since "Staff View" keeps popping up so much on this survey, I have a question: If Staff View is so important to your work, why are you trying to use X1 in it's current state?
If X1 were missing some element vital to the work I myself regularly produce, I would have already moved on to another program that delivers exactly what I need.
Instead of bludgeoning Cakewalk to improve a feature that an obvious few care about, it would seem easier to move on to another program and actually get some work done.
I appreciate X1 for the vast amounts of quality work it helps me create. I'm glad Cakewalk prioritized many other improvements over the Staff View, but if I needed Staff View before I could properly produce work, I wouldn't blame Cakewalk...I'd simply go out and buy a program that does what I need.
Less griping = more working.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 18:06:15
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melmyers
Since "Staff View" keeps popping up so much on this survey, I have a question: If Staff View is so important to your work, why are you trying to use X1 in it's current state?
If X1 were missing some element vital to the work I myself regularly produce, I would have already moved on to another program that delivers exactly what I need.
Instead of bludgeoning Cakewalk to improve a feature that an obvious few care about, it would seem easier to move on to another program and actually get some work done.
I appreciate X1 for the vast amounts of quality work it helps me create. I'm glad Cakewalk prioritized many other improvements over the Staff View, but if I needed Staff View before I could properly produce work, I wouldn't blame Cakewalk...I'd simply go out and buy a program that does what I need.
Less griping = more working.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 18:48:10
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a spectrum analyzer (cpu friendly) to toggle on or of on the graphic equilizer screen.
Maybe greater control of the work surface - simple things that make sense, like colors for one, then maybe user defined width for channel strips. Then a way to export this so we can share.
Best Regards,
Lance
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 19:11:05
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melmyers
Since "Staff View" keeps popping up so much on this survey, I have a question: If Staff View is so important to your work, why are you trying to use X1 in it's current state?
For all the things it kan do, I feel SONAR is first and foremost a komposition tool, spanning all genres. It's not really a bare-bones rekording studio application like Pro Tools. And a komposition tool should have extensive and funktional notation features, no ekskuse!!!
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 20:00:07
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I already knew that SV was mediocre in sonar but at least it was useable most of the time.. But I certainly reserve the right to 'whine' when Cakewalk declare they have created Daw 2.0 and I purchase the program which turns out to contain a worse SV.
Until Cakewalk decide to confirm to its users that they will not update SV 'properly', people will continue to whine with every update. The 'ball' is the baker's hands and its about time that they decide to tell their users what their intentions are so we can either stay or move to different DAW.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 20:08:48
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Gapless Audio and VST3 !!!!
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 20:55:13
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Notation (and bringing back the midi tool customization from earlier versions).
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/16 23:07:00
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melmyers
Since "Staff View" keeps popping up so much on this survey, I have a question: If Staff View is so important to your work, why are you trying to use X1 in it's current state?
If X1 were missing some element vital to the work I myself regularly produce, I would have already moved on to another program that delivers exactly what I need.
Instead of bludgeoning Cakewalk to improve a feature that an obvious few care about, it would seem easier to move on to another program and actually get some work done.
I appreciate X1 for the vast amounts of quality work it helps me create. I'm glad Cakewalk prioritized many other improvements over the Staff View, but if I needed Staff View before I could properly produce work, I wouldn't blame Cakewalk...I'd simply go out and buy a program that does what I need.
Less griping = more working.
The Staff View entered the Cakewalk scene years ago. Other DAW's had Staff Views, and they continued to evolve over the years. Cakewalk / Sonar's did not. In fact, with the current version of X1 it actually regressed in many ways. The problem was that customers had hope of improvement, and continued wait for updates with Staff View improvements, but may have upgraded for other reasons. SV improvements never came. And customers had a hefty investment in Cakewalk software and knowledge. Cakewalk says they hope to address the Staff View in the current graphics environment. I think customers who require Staff View will have to fish or cut bait.
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lfm
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/17 06:12:32
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melmyers
Since "Staff View" keeps popping up so much on this survey, I have a question: If Staff View is so important to your work, why are you trying to use X1 in it's current state?
If X1 were missing some element vital to the work I myself regularly produce, I would have already moved on to another program that delivers exactly what I need.
Instead of bludgeoning Cakewalk to improve a feature that an obvious few care about, it would seem easier to move on to another program and actually get some work done.
I appreciate X1 for the vast amounts of quality work it helps me create. I'm glad Cakewalk prioritized many other improvements over the Staff View, but if I needed Staff View before I could properly produce work, I wouldn't blame Cakewalk...I'd simply go out and buy a program that does what I need.
Less griping = more working.
Well, my first Cakewalk Pro (late 80's) had a staff view. And there seem to be a number of features in Sonar 8.x that still are missing, or worse in X1. So it's kind of natural you're looking for that all parts are developed. I find staff view a very clever implementation. Having that you can prepare a vocalist with the melody and lyrics and not waste time while recording. And other musicians as well. Quickly just select a number of track and print the staff for different purposes. And it shortens the process what to send to registration for royalty for your song(whatever it's called in the US). SV is coming up all the time that last 7 years I visited this forum. It's not very few users at all.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/17 07:01:54
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Hmmm.. welll...
Although the named points are very interesting I do not especially hunger for those improvements.
Don't get me wrong. I would like to see improvements in the notation part of Sonar, and I also would like to see VST3 and a gapless audio engine, but I would not have a terrible time without them.
What I would like to see is an improvement of the matrix. As an example: I would like to be able to edit cells (midi and possibly audio) and apply automation to those cells. I would like to set start, end and possible loop points in named cells. This would make the matrix really more usable in my opinion. I really liked the old Project 5 Version 2, and would not mind at all if Sonar took some more "spirit" from that program. I know this is not everybody's "cup of tea", and there are even people who will strongly disagree with me, but for me this would lower the need of using more the one program (like Live or Project 5).
Just a idea...
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/17 16:07:37
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melmyers
Since "Staff View" keeps popping up so much on this survey, I have a question: If Staff View is so important to your work, why are you trying to use X1 in it's current state?
If X1 were missing some element vital to the work I myself regularly produce, I would have already moved on to another program that delivers exactly what I need.
Instead of bludgeoning Cakewalk to improve a feature that an obvious few care about, it would seem easier to move on to another program and actually get some work done.
I appreciate X1 for the vast amounts of quality work it helps me create. I'm glad Cakewalk prioritized many other improvements over the Staff View, but if I needed Staff View before I could properly produce work, I wouldn't blame Cakewalk...I'd simply go out and buy a program that does what I need.
Less griping = more working.
It is not as trivial as you paint it, I'm afraid. I've been using Cakewalk since Cakewalk 3, many many years ago, I want to say probably over 20??? I forget. I'm used to it. I've grown with it. Did stop using it for a while when I discovered Finale, quite some years ago. But returned around Sonar 5. I compose, execute, record, mix, and produce. I'm exhausted of not having a reasonably efficient way to do all this. To your point, I still depend on Finale, on the one hand. And Sonar on the other. The worst part is: bridging the two, but basically during the transition onto Sonar. I'm not looking for professional music engraving and printing, I'm looking to create/compose music professionally and efficiently. And it all begins by writing the notes on the staff, in an efficient and effective way, which is not exactly what X1's SV offers today. Quite simply: The only reason why I'm still a Sonar X1 user is because I decided to try and upgrade to 8.5, and along with that came X1. The upgrading so far hasn't been too financially stringent, so I decided to roll the dice and do it in hopes that Sonar X'x continues evolving toward trying to be a best in class product. In a way, I've put some blind faith in this new Cakewalk under Roland, which provided me with more confidence the product was to continue evolving in the right direction. X2 will tell whether I was wrong. I most definitely appreciate Sonar for what it is, and do not complaint for what X1 has turned out to be. But we're talking about the future here. If SV is a feature that few care about, then tell me about the Matrix... that's pretty critical. I guess the choice is Cakewalk's to decide what they want for Sonar to continue evolving into, if a professional product that appeals to the masses, or a mass product that is despised by the professional.
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2012/03/17 17:17:47
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/17 17:48:46
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Let me get this right... Every update people ask for an update to V-Vocal. During the live NAM videos, question after question came up about updates to V-Vocal. We read about it daily on the forums and have for years. Yet now when asked about what we want to see in this poll, V-Vocal doesn't even rate? WTF?
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/18 03:20:59
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Silicon Audio
Let me get this right... Every update people ask for an update to V-Vocal. During the live NAM videos, question after question came up about updates to V-Vocal. We read about it daily on the forums and have for years. Yet now when asked about what we want to see in this poll, V-Vocal doesn't even rate? WTF?
As I said earlier, I would be adding choises so long as 3 or more people asked for them. I didn't list V-vocal improvements initially, since I konsider it more as of a minor facelft than a groundbraking new feature. YMMV of course!
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/18 03:49:31
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I vote for a cool program that does all the above with out me knowing or caring.
Music theory is important so at least support proper notation before offering student discounts.
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Re:X2 POLL: Staff View improvements, Gapless Audio or VST3 etc.? If you had to choose one?
2012/03/18 03:51:19
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V-vocal is only important for someone who can not sing. At which point they should not be singing. Like me.
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