Scared of X1 + 3 updates

I'm currently an 8.5 user (and still have my floppy (REALLY floppy) of Cakewalk 1.0.) I've been thinking of moving on to X1 but am put off by the extraordinary list of bug fixes, "enhancements", etc. that accompany each of the three updates released to date . . . they go on for pages! When Microsoft pulls a stunt like that, the world rightly crucifies them for releasing software prematurely, but I've read little such commentary on "X1 and Sons".

My question, to users who've been working with "d" for a while, is simply whether or not the software is now stable, i.e., all of its functions work and none of them cause a crash or freeze.

Thanks!

frankinbahia


I've been thinking of moving on to X1 but am put off by the extraordinary list of bug fixes, "enhancements", etc. that accompany each of the three updates released to date . . .!

Damed if the do, damed if they don't. - If you think this is bad, just look at Reaper.
 
I think the majority of users, my self included are happy to get fixes and enhancments as available rather than waiting (and paying for) the next release. Remember a lot of those bugs were system specific and may have only ever affected a small proportion of users.
  
 

Do not upgrade unless you have an i7 processor and Win 7 on a new computer. You did not tell us what kind of computer you have, which is everything. EVERYTHING!

lmao - noo..... I have a Q9550 and I sail like boat if ya know what I mean-

A decent Q series quad core or better and it's all gravy


Lance

frankinbahia


I'm currently an 8.5 user (and still have my floppy (REALLY floppy) of Cakewalk 1.0.) I've been thinking of moving on to X1 but am put off by the extraordinary list of bug fixes, "enhancements", etc. that accompany each of the three updates released to date . . . they go on for pages! When Microsoft pulls a stunt like that, the world rightly crucifies them for releasing software prematurely, but I've read little such commentary on "X1 and Sons".

My question, to users who've been working with "d" for a while, is simply whether or not the software is now stable, i.e., all of its functions work and none of them cause a crash or freeze.

Thanks!

The only way you'll really find out is download the demo and try that. All you'll get on here are experiences and opinions from people you've never met, who may have their own agenda. I wouldn't even take my word for it if I were you but I'm going to give you my experience anyway.

X1 has been extremely stable, rock solid, in fact up until recently (which I'll cover in a minute) I can't remember it crashing, locking up or anything else untoward other than when experimenting with envelope bugs way back just after release. It has been very stable and that's since release in X1 Vanilla format. There were several bugs when it was first released and I'm sure there still are but there's nothing that has barely slowed me down, never mind stopped me working .

Furthermore the benefits have far outweighed and negatives. I've used Sonar since V2 and I'm actually thinking that I may have been using the 'wrong' program for all those years simply because of how much better the 'new' X1 methods & UI suit me. I can now do things and work i the way that I wish I could have done in previous incarnations. Screensets are a lot to do with that but there's also the Smart tool, multidock, inspector, PC, Edit filter.... the list goes on. It doesn't suit eveyone, some hate it and have moved on, they've been replaced by newcomers from other platforms, another couple hate it but haven't moved on...........

Now to my recent crash-fest I mentioned earlier. I recently had crash after crash trying to edit the clip map of a clip. It was a clip from a Kick drum that had a very long intro before any real 'beats' as such. There was probably a minute or more of the band talking before the song kicked in. As soon as I trimmed the front off and bounced it to clip Audiosnap started working again. I did waste a few hours discovering that though.

That's my experience which got me labelled as a Fanboi, troll and a few other things along the way but I say it as I find it and that's how I've found it (on two different set ups as well), I've probably reported more bugs and put in more feature requests than most of the whiners put together as well so I'm well aware of the bugs and shortcomings.

Summary - Perfect it ain't, big improvement on previous versions it certainly is.

Try the demo and see what you think.

X1d works perfectly here, but so did the others. I credit it all to MY COMPUTER - an HP with onboard firewire - and the core I7 Intel processor, and 8 gigs of RAM that I got from HP (it is the only ram that worked - I tried some others). So don't brush this point off too quickly - your computer is the reason Sonar will or won't work, and what kind of soundcard you use. Mine is an Onyx firewire mixer. HP was the ONLY computer maker I could find that still puts firewire on the motherboard. No PCIe SLOT FIREWIRE for this moi! My computer has been on for 4 days straight...and not a single issue. None. nada. zip. Good luck. I'm getting excited for you...

Aside from a few glitches here and some of them thar PEBKAC issues I have had no issues with the updates either. 

Really, no need to worry here.

QF are in the patches. Install is (IIRC) X1 ----> X1C ------> Expanded (if you have it) then the relative X1d patch.

relpomiraculous


Do not upgrade unless you have an i7 processor and Win 7 on a new computer. You did not tell us what kind of computer you have, which is everything. EVERYTHING!

Wow, talk about an overstatement.  I have far less than  an i7 processor, and while I do indeed have Windows 7, my system runs fine for what I use Sonar for. 


Why exactly an i7 processor a requirement?  Even Cake themselves lists a Core 2 duo on the system requirements page with 2 GB or RAM.  

relpomiraculous


Do not upgrade unless you have an i7 processor and Win 7 on a new computer. You did not tell us what kind of computer you have, which is everything. EVERYTHING!

This is complete misinformation. I have a q6600 on Vista 64 bit and what I said above is from using it on this system. Others have it running on XP. The preferred OS at present is Windows 7 and a good quad core. But it certainly is not necessary to have any of that to run it with great results.

I built a DAW based on the i5 intel chip 1.5 yrs ago. 

I planned to run it with XP/32 and using MC4 as the DAW platform.  I crossgraded to X1 essentials when Cake offed a good price. 

From day one, I never had any problems with this set up. They came out with the "C" fix and I applied that even though I was having no problems. Again, everything ran smoothly. 

Currently I have the "D" fix in the computer but have not applied it to X1.  I see no need to do so since there is nothing that appears to be broken in "C" to me. 

So if you are running 8.XXX , and the computer is capable of dealing with X1.... I'd think you would not have a problem. Remember that 8.xxx can stay on the machine and peacefully co-exist with X1. 

I have MC 4, 5, 6, and X1 all on the same machine and I can run them all without issues. 

John

Actually X1 as a first release was far and away the best first release CW ever put out.

Come off it John. I'd wager that even the most devout of fanbois wouldn't agree with that.
 
Don't get me wrong, I've grown to really love X1. And, touch-wood, it now runs almost flawessly for me - I haven't had a crash since X1b (only problems I've had are the occasional 'Teleport Server Has Stopped Working' messages when closing 64bit projects with Bitbridged 32bit VSTs in them), but to say it was "the best first release CW ever put out" is absurd, and a kick in the teeth to everyone who did have genuine problems (all acknowledged by Cakewalk) with it.
 

No, don't upgrade because of the patches.  I have an old calculator and it never crashes.  Perfect.  Of course, doing digital editing on it is hhhhaaarddd.

SONAR X1 is stable these days, esp. with the patches.  And most of the initial errors were operator-based, as the commuinity learned the new gui and where the hell is that function? which moved from within old SONAR.

As far as needing the newest whizz bang computer, here at home I run X1 Expanded on a dual core 32-bit Vista.  It doesn't smoke and fall apart when I try to run more than one track.  In fact it runs as well as 8.5 on the same computer.  Install both - play w/ X1 while you finish 8.5 projects.  But I think most people like w/ X1 once they get used to it.

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John

SteveStrummerUK

John

Actually X1 as a first release was far and away the best first release CW ever put out.

Come off it John. I'd wager that even the most devout of fanbois wouldn't agree with that.

Don't get me wrong, I've grown to really love X1. And, touch-wood, it now runs almost flawessly for me - I haven't had a crash since X1b (only problems I've had are the occasional 'Teleport Server Has Stopped Working' messages when closing 64bit projects with Bitbridged 32bit VSTs in them), but to say it was "the best first release CW ever put out" is absurd, and a kick in the teeth to everyone who did have genuine problems (all acknowledged by Cakewalk) with it.

Funny that issue was also in 8.5.

No I wont come off it. Do a little history research on the first release of past Sonars and you will see an ungodly number of unhappy posters. How quickly we forget.

I recall a huge issue with not being able to install Sonar because MS changed Direct X and the Sonar installer could not deal with it. This may have been Sonar 2 or 3.

Is it at all possible for you all that are just now getting to like X1 that maybe we that did from the beginning did so because it was stable for us? That what you are seeing now was our experience all  along?

This is rather upsetting for a poster to in effect still call those of us that did not find huge problems liars.

No I ask you to "get off it"!

So, X1a, X1b, X1c and X1d as well as hot patches contained no bug fixes? 

John

So, X1a, X1b, X1c and X1d as well as hot patches contained no bug fixes?

Of course they did. Then 8.5 had bug fixes too. There was 8.5, 8.51 8.52 and 8.53. Don't forget that X1 has had a major upgrade within that same time.

John, the point is that there were many that could not run until a, b, c or d came out. You said it was the "best" first release for CW and I wholeheartedly disagree. Remember Audiosnap not working on initial release? That alone knocks it down to #2, IMHO. There's more but it fells like you're employing selective memory about X1's initial release.


Don't get me wrong. I use X1. I'm happy with it. Now.