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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 16:36:28 (permalink)
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I don't have the CPU meter showing.  I have to go into Task Manager.  

There is a Performance widget that might be off screen or not checked, right click on the tool bar and see if this is checked. 
But even though your thread title say's CPU, I highly doubt that is really causing distortion.
An i5 is way more capable of running 100 audio tracks. 
 
I am thinking the issue is possibly a routing issue, You might be distorting a buss. You didn't mention if you looked at your track routing yet. 
 
There is a slim chance your audio interface is broken, but I doubt it. 
Messing with the computer is not where distortion will come from, your computer is fine. Running the DPCLAT test is the best way to settle that issue. So stop worring about the computer and focus on routing or somehow determining what could be wrong with the interface and connections. 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 16:43:48 (permalink)
In the Performance module, they're not even - one is a bit more than the other, but not by that much.
I'm not getting pops or clicks.   Don't know what a drop out is.    But when you say "static," are you referring to static coming through the speakers when I open Sonar?   In fact, I think I get static before I open Sonar.   
And I'm thinking about getting an i7 920 processor.  
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 16:52:41 (permalink)
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There is a Performance widget that might be off screen or not checked, right click on the tool bar and see if this is checked. 
But even though your thread title say's CPU, I highly doubt that is really causing distortion.
An i5 is way more capable of running 100 audio tracks. 
 
I am thinking the issue is possibly a routing issue, You might be distorting a buss. You didn't mention if you looked at your track routing yet. 
 
There is a slim chance your audio interface is broken, but I doubt it. 
Messing with the computer is not where distortion will come from, your computer is fine. Running the DPCLAT test is the best way to settle that issue. So stop worring about the computer and focus on routing or somehow determining what could be wrong with the interface and connections. 


I did check track routing, and it's set on Master.
If it's not the computer, then it has to be the interface.  No?  Maybe I got one that's defective in some way (?).
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 17:35:44 (permalink)
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In the Performance module, they're not even - one is a bit more than the other, but not by that much.
I'm not getting pops or clicks.   Don't know what a drop out is.    But when you say "static," are you referring to static coming through the speakers when I open Sonar?   In fact, I think I get static before I open Sonar.   
And I'm thinking about getting an i7 920 processor.  
 
Thanks!
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"...are you referring to static coming through the speakers when I open Sonar?   In fact, I think I get static before I open Sonar..."
 
I mean static during playback and recording of a project.
 
It appears you have done what you can do to optimize your CPU performance in SONAR, short of upgrading the CPU.
 
I agree with Cactus Music, your audio distortion is not a result of a cpu issue, but I wasn't writing to address this matter. As I said earlier in this thread I've been writing to address your concern of a strained CPU issue.
 
You might get better help by starting a new thread titled more appropriately to get help with an audio distortion problem. It could be a defective audio interface, bad or poor quality cables used to connect your gear, or bad speakers/monitors.
 
 
Do you get the distortion when you use headphones?
 
Have you tried a different cables to connect your monitors?
 
Do you get this distortion when listening at low volume levels?
 
Do you get this distortion when you connect your audio interface to other speakers/monitors.
 
Is the volume level control on your monitors too high, and that can be causing the distortion?
 
Is there any sign of small cuts, tiny tears, or unglued seals on the monitor drivers?
 
 
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2014/03/15 17:48:13


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 18:50:00 (permalink)
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You might get better help by starting a new thread titled more appropriately to get help with an audio distortion problem. It could be a defective audio interface, bad or poor quality cables used to connect your gear, or bad speakers/monitors.
 
 
Do you get the distortion when you use headphones?
 
Have you tried a different cables to connect your monitors?
 
Do you get this distortion when listening at low volume levels?
 
Do you get this distortion when you connect your audio interface to other speakers/monitors.
 
Is the volume level control on your monitors too high, and that can be causing the distortion?
 
Is there any sign of small cuts, tiny tears, or unglued seals on the monitor drivers?



The distortion problem is really only when I record guitar and amp.   I don't get it with MIDI.   In fact, I just recorded acoustic guitar, and no distortion.   It's just electric guitar through amp.   I will have to check all connections, cables, speakers, etc, with my amp.
When I play the song back, the only thing that's distorted is the guitar track - not the whole track; just certain things, like the lower notes, or if I play high notes a little too hard (even though the signal is not hot at all).
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 19:22:28 (permalink)
Is your electric guitar pick up single coil or humbucker?  If single coil, you could be picking up electrical noise from a florescent light.  Also, you could have a loose wire in your guitar.
One time I was playing my electric through an actual amp, and when I used a chorus pedal (cheap one that I bought used), I notices a lot of static.  I thought it might be the pedal, until eventually, my tone got noisy with any pedal (or not pedal at all) and then I lost my signal.  It ended up being a broken wire in my jack.
 
This might be a wild goose chase, but it is something to look at, especially since it appears that you have exhausted the computer and interface side of things.

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 21:05:00 (permalink)
Sorry if it is a silly question - is your input gain too high?  Are you clipping?
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 21:49:18 (permalink)
dwardzala:    I use both single coil and humbuckers.   It makes no difference.
 
robert_e_bone:    Input gain - are you talking about in Sonar?   I have the gain on the interface low.   It's not clipping.
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 21:59:01 (permalink)
How is the amp being recorded?
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 22:25:15 (permalink)
 
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The distortion problem is really only when I record guitar and amp.   I don't get it with MIDI.   In fact, I just recorded acoustic guitar, and no distortion.   It's just electric guitar through amp.   I will have to check all connections, cables, speakers, etc, with my amp.
When I play the song back, the only thing that's distorted is the guitar track - not the whole track; just certain things, like the lower notes, or if I play high notes a little too hard (even though the signal is not hot at all).

 
Hi Greg:
 
OK That does narrow down the possible causes of the distortion.
 
Sounds like the type/quality of cable can still make a difference, especially gold connector cable. Have you tried using different cables, yet?
 
Did you use the auto sens function of your audio interface?
 
Have you tried using both of the inputs on front of the unit with the Hi Z button on the back of the unit on and off? Was there any difference? Even though the input level is not clipping, have you tried turning the level down even more, so that the distortion goes away?
 
If you record vocals using the front input connectors (that would be with the Hi Z button off,) is there distortion?
 
Again, is the distortion there when using headphones?
 
Can you report back concerning the above questions?
 
Scook asks a good question: How are you recording the Amp?
 
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2014/03/15 22:54:45


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 22:44:19 (permalink)
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When I play the song back, the only thing that's distorted is the guitar track - not the whole track; just certain things, like the lower notes, or if I play high notes a little too hard (even though the signal is not hot at all).


 
It might help to use a volume envelope on the guitar track, turning the volume down on the parts where it distorts, and turning it back up after you play the notes that distort. Record the track, add the volume envelope, turn it down at the places where the audio distorts, and then delete the audio or mute that clip, but keep the envelope. Record the track again with the envelope in place. If it still sounds distorted lower the envelope nods in those certain places where it distorts. Then try recording the track again until you get it where it doesn't distort in those certain places.
 
Hope that makes sense. Or you will just have to play with discipline so that you don't play so loud at those certain places to avoid distortion.
 
Hope that helps.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2014/03/16 07:49:34


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 22:52:46 (permalink)
OH yeah, have you tried connecting your guitar amp straight into the audio interface input with Hi Z on? Use your audio interface's Auto Sens feature to adjust the input signal level. If it goes well that way, you may need another appropriate mic to record the amp or you will have to try a virtual amp plug in that you find suitable, and connect your guitar directly into the input on your audio interface.
 
Hope that helps.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2014/03/15 23:00:07


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 05:58:36 (permalink)
Distortion with just guitar sounds a lot like you are clipping the signal at "some point" in the signal flow. I installed pickups that claim to be the hottest passive pickups made, and it was not until I ran it straight into my audio interface (medium gain) and used the digital meters in X3 that it was obvious how much extra gain was on the low E (like 12 dB hotter). Pickup height and gains are something else to check.
 
In my case, variations in play triggered it, but it was obvious where it was happening. This post is more detail on how I pinpointed and adjusted them.
 
Weird gains causing distortion/clipping are very common with things mentioned in this thread already (electrical interference, cables, corroded connectors/switches/pots, pickup height). Isolating things individually helps... even simple things like cycling switches/pots on guitars and amps are often needed to wear off excess corrosion on them that can cause the effect you are seeing.

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 08:00:50 (permalink)
Yeah, I think this distortion matter is solved with some discipline in your performance. Don't play so loud at the points where the distortion is happening, and, alternatively, if you're recording the guitar by micing the amp and running the mic into the input of the audio interface, maybe positioning the mic farther away from the amp may help.
 
Let us know how it's going with you


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 10:44:23 (permalink)
When I record guitar, I've been setting the Volume on the interface to where the meter reads just over half way.   That's not even near clipping.   
 
The pickups on my guitar are not the issue.   It distorts with low wind single coils.   The bridge humbucker is 8.9k, and I have it backed off the strings probably a bit more than I need to.   My amp is not a high distortion amp.  And I don't play with a lot of distortion.  
 
Last time I recorded I used 2 mics - a Sennheiser e906 and an Audix OM2.    Both sounded the same.
 
This is a clip of me a couple of years ago.  The guitar sounds really good, I think.   I am doing nothing different in how I'm recording now, but the results are not the same.  
 
https://soundcloud.com/greg-williams/short-clip
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 11:00:02 (permalink)
So when you record: you mic your amp with your mic's?
 
How does it sound if you try to sing in the mic's? 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 11:48:59 (permalink)
I've done vocals for all of my songs, and everything sounds fine - even acoustic guitar.    It's just the lead guitar.   When I record with a little distortion, that's when I run into trouble.   I've had my amp serviced, and everything checks out and sounds great.   I'm using the same equipment (except for computer and interface) that I've always used.  
So this is strange...
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 12:34:05 (permalink)
I hate to say this but if you had the title" Guitar track distorting" instead of CPU issue you would have had some solid solutions right away. Your computer has nothing to do with distorted audio tracks. Distortion ONLY happens when you clip an audio signal. This can ONLY happen in the audio signal chain BEFORE it reaches the computer. When you arm the track in Sonar, what does the track meter show? 
If this is good then the only other conclusion would be the interface pre amps or A/D is acting up. 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 12:41:24 (permalink)
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When you arm the track in Sonar, what does the track meter show? 
If this is good then the only other conclusion would be the interface pre amps or A/D is acting up. 


When I arm the track, everythng is good, like it's always been.   I've been recording not as long as some, but long enough - about 11 years.   
Everything checks out fine when I record, but the guitar doesn't sound good in playback.  
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 15:15:27 (permalink)
I listened to some of your Music yesterday. It sounds good.
 
My last four posts contained some good troubleshooting info. You didn't answer any of the question. Did none of those suggestions help at all (see posts #34, #40, #41, and #42?)
 
Again I say, if you use a more appropriate title, such as "Guitar Audio Distorts Please Help?" You may get better assistance. There are a lot of forum users who work with guitar recording and know SONAR and computers very well. I don't work with real guitars at all. So re-titling this thread or starting a new one with a better title for guitar distortion help may be more beneficial for you.
 
To me it really does sound like a problem created by playing loud at points where the audio distorts (because the distortion is only heard on part of the guitar track and you can record vocals without them being distorted,)  a mic placement problem for recording the amp, or a mic preamp problem, again have you tried turning the Hi Z setting on the back of your interface on and off when you record? One of those Hi  Z settings could mean you are bypassing the preamp on the audio interface and recording directly at Line level.
 
Do you have a small stand alone preamp you could use or another audio interface to test with?


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 16:10:42 (permalink)
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Yeah, I think this distortion matter is solved with some discipline in your performance. Don't play so loud at the points where the distortion is happening, and, alternatively, if you're recording the guitar by micing the amp and running the mic into the input of the audio interface, maybe positioning the mic farther away from the amp may help.
 

 
Sorry, I was going to respond to your other questions, but when I read that, I was a tad irritated.    Like I said in a previous post, I've been recording guitar for 11 years.   I don't know the ins and outs of a computer, but I can record guitar decently when I have equipment that's working.
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I listened to some of your Music yesterday. It sounds good.
 

Thank you!  I really appreciate that.
thomasabarnes
To me it really does sound like a problem created by playing loud at points where the audio distorts (because the distortion is only heard on part of the guitar track and you can record vocals without them being distorted,)  a mic placement problem for recording the amp, or a mic preamp problem, again have you tried turning the Hi Z setting on the back of your interface on and off when you record? One of those Hi  Z settings could mean you are bypassing the preamp on the audio interface and recording directly at Line level.

It's not an issue of playing loud. 
 
I have not yet tried the Hi Z settings, but I will record tomorrow and will do that.
 
I do not have another interface. 
 
I have not used the Auto Sens yet.
 
I have not paid attention to whether the distortion is there with the headphones.   I plug in and play then hear the results during playback.
 
I have not had this issue in the previous 10 years of recording guitar, so I doubt that it's the way I'm recording, since the way I do it has not changed.
I don't mean to sound irritated . . but I am, I guess, at this problem I'm having.   There has to be a solution somewhere.  
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 18:42:13 (permalink)
We are offering different things to look at, because we are on the outside looking in, and don't have enough to go on to figure it out yet.
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 21:55:48 (permalink)
We understand your frustration, and folks are trying to help out. Please don't take it the wrong way.
 
FWIW, equipment degrades too. I have an M-Audio Ozone that has been clipping itself for the past two years... nothing has been connected to the inputs or outputs on it (no audio signal to even clip!)... but the clipping indicator sporadically flashes while it is on (started doing it at 12 years old). If you can isolate pieces of gear, it will help to find it. Distortion/clipping is overgaining the signal so the primary culprit is anything with an amplifier in your signal flow (any powered piece of gear with a gain/volume/output level knob).

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/16 22:18:40 (permalink)
When you say "distort" I would think to check your gain staging first, and make sure your tracks and busses are not being overloaded and clipping, which could cause distortion. 
 
 


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/17 01:16:20 (permalink)
Everything checks out fine when I record, but the guitar doesn't sound good in playback." 
 
The above statement say's it all. 
It was recommended a way, way back you check with headphones, Audio interfaces have direct monitoring so we can hear what is happening as we record. My guess is you will hear the distortion in your headphones while monitoring your guitar. If not, like I said, your interface A/D IS fkd. Or the drivers? 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/17 01:16:21 (permalink)
dup
post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/03/17 21:33:08

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/17 01:16:21 (permalink)
dup # 2,, stupid form software glitch seemed to create multi posts,,
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/17 01:16:26 (permalink)
But it is good for my post count.. look out Bapu.. 
post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/03/17 21:34:47

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/17 01:16:21 (permalink)
How many of these are there? 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/17 01:16:21 (permalink)
duh field cannot be empty? 
post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/03/17 21:36:08

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