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2014/03/13 23:01:15 (permalink)

guitar distorts when recording OD

My audio is distorting in playback when I record guitar - not clean guitar, but OD.   Recording vocals, acoustic guitar or clean guitar is fine.   It's just when I record with a little gain on my guitar.
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/13 23:06:44 (permalink)
Increase ASIO buffers
Freeze synths
Freeze tracks with CPU intensive FX
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/13 23:30:46 (permalink)
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 05:29:27 (permalink)
Umm... How many tracks do you have when it starts do distort? 
 
Or does it happen at a blank project? 
How does your CPU level look like? (in Sonar)
DPC latency? 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 11:14:22 (permalink)
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Umm... How many tracks do you have when it starts do distort? 
 
Or does it happen at a blank project? 
How does your CPU level look like? (in Sonar)
DPC latency? 


I have about a dozen songs that are nearly finished except for lead guitar, which I am currently trying to record.   Each song has anywhere from 15-20 tracks.   I have not tried recording audio on a blank project.
I don't have a visible CPU gadget, so I don't know yet.  I'll have to check it today.
I have not yet checked DPC latency.
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 11:21:11 (permalink)
General rules of thumbs:
If your CPU is spiking, increase your ASIO or WDM settigns
If your Disk % is spiking, increase your Playback & recording I/O buffers
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 11:38:33 (permalink)
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 12:09:07 (permalink)
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Umm... How many tracks do you have when it starts do distort? 
 
Or does it happen at a blank project? 
How does your CPU level look like? (in Sonar)
DPC latency? 


I have about a dozen songs that are nearly finished except for lead guitar, which I am currently trying to record.   Each song has anywhere from 15-20 tracks.   I have not tried recording audio on a blank project.
I don't have a visible CPU gadget, so I don't know yet.  I'll have to check it today.
I have not yet checked DPC latency.
 
Thanks!
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In your menu at the top, don't you have your core CPU load? 
 
To check DPC latency, use this tool: 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 13:02:53 (permalink)
I don't have the CPU meter showing.  I have to go into Task Manager.   But I just checked my CPU, and it consistently runs under 10% - more around 5% and under.   So that's not the problem.   I did install new drivers for the Quad-Capture this morning but haven't recorded anything yet.   So we'll see..
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 13:05:05 (permalink)
I believe everyone is writing about the Performance Module in the Control Panel in SONAR not the Windows monitoring tools.
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 14:08:32 (permalink)
I'm still learning everything
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 16:10:21 (permalink)
Well, everything checks out fine.   I just recorded some things, and it's still not right.   Maybe it's the Quad-Capture itself (?).
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 16:14:40 (permalink)
I guess you might have some driver issues or something, try the DPC latency checker. 
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 16:18:17 (permalink)
It is impossible to say without knowing more about the setup. Such as:
Record Mode (for example ASIO or WDM)
Sample Rate
Latency information (ASIO buffers or WDM settings)
from SONAR preferences would be a start

 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 16:28:08 (permalink)
The below tweaks, are referenced from the following thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com/The-Sonar-x64Windows-7-x64-Install-Tweaks-Compatibility-Thread-m1862515.aspx
 
Did you disable core-parking for Windows 7?
 
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Go to Regedit and find the following key (use the "Find..." command under "Edit" to make this easier): 
  
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[Thanks to TomG and sky60234 for providing this awesome tweak]
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And using the Unified Preferences view, in the SONAR configuration file, did you try setting the ThreadSchedulingModel section at both 1 and 2?
 
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ThreadSchedulingModel=<0 - 2>  
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This variable goes in the [Wave] section and controls the interaction of the main audio thread and worker threads on multiprocessor systems when the Use Multiprocessing Engine option is enabled. Depending on the system, a particular model may result in less glitching and better overall performance. The values are as follows: 
  
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............2 = Additional worker thread is created. This may result in improvement with Quad processor systems or higher. Not recommended for Dual processor systems."
 
To change in SONAR X series, open Unified Preferences view, and under Audio>Configuration File (Advanced view), look on the right and find the section "ThreadSchedulingModel". Change the number to 1 or 2. Check which one works best for you.

 
Also, I would advise, if you are using any softsynths or effects (except any used when recording the Lead guitar), bounce them to audio, to free up any cpu power you can free up.
 
After making the above tweaks, run your project and see how it goes?


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 16:45:06 (permalink)
To be honest, some things are over my head right now.  I will try what I can figure out.
I really appreciate everyone's help!
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 16:59:27 (permalink)
Take your time.
 
Get some relaxation.
 
When you feel clear headed, go ahead and try to troubleshoot the problem, again. Back off when needed and repeat the process.
 
I tried to be detailed with how to do some things I posted.
 
If you have some unclearness with some of the terms, such as "bounce to audio," search the SONAR Help or SONAR Reference manual for "bouncing tracks," "Freeze," "Real Time Bounce," and "Fast Bounce." It may help.
 
Also, ask more questions, if that will be more helpful to you.
 
You will be OK, just hang in there.
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 18:16:47 (permalink)
Thanks!  I appreciate it!
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/14 19:31:19 (permalink)
So I decided to try and record guitar direct.   Sound is better, but the volume is really loud during playback.   I have the Volume knob on the Quad-Capture at 9 o'clock.  The signal is not hot at all.   The wave form is small, but during playback it's just loud.
 
Anyway, I checked the driver settings on the Quad-Capture. 
ASIO buffer size is 256.
Sample rate is 44100
It's set for Low latency.
There is an unchecked box that says "Use ASIO Direct Monitor"
Under "Windows Sound Setting" there is another unchecked box that says "Match with the ASIO sample rate."
 
Do these settings seem right?    I uninstalled the old drivers for the QuadCapture and installed new ones, so I don't know if there needs to be some kind of audio adjustment (?) that's causing the volume level to be so loud during playback.
 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 04:44:44 (permalink)
IMHO, I dont think those settings and your DAW should have any trouble to playback 20 audio tracks. No tweaking should be necessary to playback with 256 samples.  
 
Thats why you should check with DPC latency checker if you have any issues, this tool shows if there are any drivers etc which causes spikes and trouble. 
 
Check with DPC, and post your result here. 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 09:49:57 (permalink)
I had same issue long for long time and finally fixed after installing windows 8. I never had the problem when my pc was running win xp . After I upgraded to vista 64 and win 7 64bit with i7 processor still have the same problem. I had to deal with this issue for a long time and it was so Embarrassing specially in front of my clients because it usually ends up to restart the pc. After upgrading to win 8 and sonar x3d problems almost solved and i can say %95 is better. I think because win 8 is using all the cores compare to win 7 and some how sonar x3d matches itself with this ability more better.
The other thing is make sure all the plugins you have on your daw are 64 bit compatible and try to get the latest update.
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 11:37:37 (permalink)
Thanks, kristoffer and REZA!   I will do the DPC latency checker.    Not sure about upgrading to Windows 8, but if I need to, then that's what I'll do.   Thanks for the suggestions!
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 12:23:55 (permalink)
If one track is louder than the others you might have it directed to your outputs instead of the Master bus, Check each tracks output. 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 13:03:02 (permalink)
Thanks, Cactus Music! 
 
I did the DPS latency checker, and the "absolute maximum" was 188.   I ran it for about 5-10 minutes, and it said, "This machine should be able to handle real-time streaming of audio and/or video without drop-outs."
 
I don't have my recording computer hooked up to the internet, so I never get updates.  Could that possibly be an issue?
And could the problem also be my interface?  When I first got it, I thought something was a bit off on the sound quality - a little on the dark side.
 
If it's the interface, any recommendations on a good one that's $400 or under?
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 14:59:29 (permalink)
hmmm. if your DPC latency seems stable (as your description clearly says actually) it should not be an driver issue. 
Did you run Sonar, with the projects, with DPC running? 

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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 15:04:50 (permalink)
kristoffer:    You want me to have Sonar open and run the DPC latency checker?   I did not do that last time.
 
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 15:17:53 (permalink)
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Thanks, Cactus Music! 
 
I did the DPS latency checker, and the "absolute maximum" was 188.   I ran it for about 5-10 minutes, and it said, "This machine should be able to handle real-time streaming of audio and/or video without drop-outs."
 
I don't have my recording computer hooked up to the internet, so I never get updates.  Could that possibly be an issue?
And could the problem also be my interface?  



I'm making an effort to address the main problem you posted about in this thread, the CPU issue.
 
Probably the most significant things you can do, now after running the DPC Latency Checker, to help the strained CPU issue are:
 
- Disable core-parking, if not already done (see post #15 on how to do that.)
- In some cases, being up to date on important and recommended Windows updates can improve your system's performance, so it wouldn't hurt to be up to date with windows update. 
- Freeze softsynths or bounce to audio tracks with effects (if you are not currently recording on the tracks with softsynths and effects, they can be frozen or bounced to audio.)
- Raise the ASIO latency buffer for project playback
 
The things listed above are things to do that will allow for less strain on your CPU.
 
For playback and record performance, your audio interface, the Quad-capture is good to go, according to a good number of user reports here in the forums. If you want to make a purchase that will relieve the strain on your CPU even more, purchase another CPU. A faster and more powerful CPU will make a significant difference. I would recommend a core i7 920 or something faster or with more cores.


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 15:19:48 (permalink)
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kristoffer:    You want me to have Sonar open and run the DPC latency checker?   I did not do that last time.
 
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Run it with SONAR closed.


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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 15:41:45 (permalink)
Disabling the core-parking seemed a bit over my head.  I'll have to go through that when I feel a bit more confident.
I'll freeze synth tracks and get updates for windows 7.    Then I'll see what happens and go from there.
You want me to raise the ASIO latency buffer from 256, where it is currently?
Thanks for your help!
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Re: CPU issues 2014/03/15 16:11:57 (permalink)
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Disabling the core-parking seemed a bit over my head.  I'll have to go through that when I feel a bit more confident.

 
In SONAR, in the ControlBar Performance module, does the load look evenly distributed among the threads? If they do, disabling core-parking probably wont make much difference. If 1 thread is far above the other threads, you may do well disabling core-parking. Just follow the guide I posted. And don't forget to reboot after you make the changes. Also note that one thread will always take more load than the others, but one shouldn't be very high and the others very low.
 
The best thing to do is upgrade your CPU.
 
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I'll freeze synth tracks and get updates for windows 7.    Then I'll see what happens and go from there.
You want me to raise the ASIO latency buffer from 256, where it is currently?
Thanks for your help!
Greg

 
Only raise the ASIO buffer size if the strain on your CPU from the project load is causing dropouts, static, pops, and clicks when you playback or record. The idea here is to use as low an ASIO buffer size as possible without getting dropouts when you are recording MIDI using softsynths and recording audio. If when you playback the project, you get dropouts, pops and clicks, raise the ASIO buffer size to a size where the dropouts, pops and clicks stop happening.
 


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