Hmmm Ok then.... :)

Vastman
I'll have to reserve comment on "d", as DAW still being upgraded but I agree wholeheartedly... the X series, up through "c" has been wonderful for me, and while many things needed to be flushed out in the beginning, X3 has been exquisitely awesome and the iterations (a to d) have been rapid, lots of bits tweaked and largely what remains are a few main users with personal differences (ie, takelanes/video) which get down to philosophical/habits/system issues. 
 
It is miraculous, to me... that such an amazing and complex/deep workstation exists on planet "eaarth"... a decade ago millions of $$$ couldn't have bought the power of what X3pro offers out of the box.
 
Humans are too often funny, fickle, winy, self-oriented, ungratuitous, and ungrateful,  stuck in their own precepts and historical perspectives... which is part of the reason the planet, and us as a species, is in such trouble...
 
I fully appreciate and respect all the efforts which have gone into X and love the bakers, who've been outdoing themselves over the past year... fixing bits as they crop up...
 
And this is not coming through on the forum at the moment, which is sad.  Less emotional garbage would be nice.  And remembering the PC platform is difficult to manage, which they are doing a steller job of...
 
I just thought of another thing.... as the bakers, at all levels, are really active on the forums these days it is maybe bringing out a lot more of the issues some have which they've felt neglected, even now... for example... the play list situation... "Hey, they're listening... I need to speak up... now's my chance..."  Personally I think this is good on both sides... but less venom about the past is warranted... as they are listening... 
 
And, maybe a little love thrown in, for good measure... because, folks... we are frackin' lucky to be alive and have this creation available to sculpt our visions...
 

WELL SAID!!!

CakeAlexS
One thing I've come to realise, these patches really need a rollback facility. Of course we should all be backing up as well before we install.

Just curious...what's wrong with the existing rollback option available through the .exe properties page? I did a rollback from X3c to X3b to test whether it was possible when people were getting all bent out of shape about the 64-bit CE bug, and it worked.

I appreciate Alex's efforts to organize information aggregation.
 
Still, I think it would be better to have it a group effort than an effort spearheaded by a single individual who doesn't work for Cakewalk. For example, a group wiki would be just great! Lots of the questions on the forum get answered again and again. Some old posts are just awesome and should really be made thread agnostic and preserved where others can see the information.
 
I'm not opposed to types of threads beyond...

• 'This is my problem...',
• 'How can I...',
• 'What gear should I buy?...',
• 'Will my computer work/Why doesn't my computer work...'
• and 'Is this a bug? Can you replicate?...'

 
I do think it's important to make these things a group effort. Explicitly, my biggest concern about Alex's issues thread is that only he is in charge of the first post where he enumerates them.
 
None of us is as smart as all of us. :-)

Go ahead and create a wiki.... I've got no issue with anybody compiling their own bug list either.... You have the links to the threads which are considered bugs, you can also contribute there as well... If you dont like it..... be proactive and do something! cheers... :)

mettelus
Hehe... I mentioned that several months ago and got the replies "It has been tried in the past..." and "Go ahead and start one..."

I've gotten the same feedback when I've mentioned it in the past.
 

CakeAlexS
Go ahead and create a wiki.... If you dont like it..... be proactive and do something! cheers... :)

Alex, this post feels a little needly to me. Not sure. The great majority of the forum visitors are being proactive and doing something. I count myself in that group already.
 
If I create the wiki, I'll own it and have veto. I'll be the self appointed moderator. "Watery tarts throwing swords at you doesn't make a system of govt." :-)
 
It strikes me that it would be best moderated by Cakewalk itself or by moderators the company appoints.
 
 You don't have to hang in the forum long to know that moderators can be a good thing.

CakeAlexS
I can't do this all by myself you are right...

Alex, I'm trying to say that this sort of work is better as a group or top down. It can get a little topsy turvy when a regular user self appoints and drives the effort alone. It's a good way to start to show the value of some new initiative, but if you can get critical mass, sometimes it can be turned over to a larger group... go public if you will and formalize it as a group effort.

gs....
Personally, I like the way things generally flow around here... Alex obviously has the time, interest, and heart to give what he does and I find many forum regulars impart their own special flavor or flow to the needs of us who are floating in the boat of Cakeland...
 
We are getting lots of good top down feedback, reflection, responses... which is quite wonderful
 
And there are enough obnoxious jerks like me to yell at winy dingleberries...
 
A "cake" is made of lots of unique and special ingredients... 
 
and I think things are cookin' pretty sumptuously lately...
 
we are lucky so many give so much so freely...
 
I treasure this and it is quite unique
 
FREEEDOM!!!!!  (Oh how I hate right wingers...)

Hey there,
I love my Sonar!,I really do,but I was up till 4.30am this morning re re re[and-re] working on an old simple[6 basic tracks-only  1 instrument track for Steven Slate Drums 4 Platinum]and as per usual,I sometimes run a lot of waves plugins,ever since I scored that Studio Essentials bundle,it definitely gets a workout [since I got it for a steal] as does Paul Frindle's Pro Audio Dymamic Spectrum Mapper V2[not a steal AT ALL!],any way just before calling it quits at 4.35am,I downloaded X3d.
 
I think after only a few hours sleep,today was going to be a tad troublesome regardless,anywayI jumped back in,and loaded the basic 6 track Rock lead guitar extravaganza[lol]and no dice,even with the VS-100 ASIO buffer at MAXIMUM!,never mind the numerous changes to other buffers,milliseconds,Audio Data,from all the 3 choices[import/render/record] that had been fine at 64,down to 24,all this and still no dice...milliseconds of sound,followed by the "Dropout" warning alarm.
 
This little Dell XPS L502x i7 2630qm[April 2011]has been through the wringer,but even messing with ALL the usual suspects in Preferences,disabling Wi-Fi,disabling the DPC monster Nvidea GT540M[red spike enticer to the extreme!]in Device Manager,and my little 6 track project refuses to play,oh but the 1 stereo track pre master plays just fine.
 
Consequently Iv'e reverted back to X3c,for the moment,as I'm sure it's something else,and will take the time to eventually sort this out,there is no doubt there are probably 5[at least!] N.I.and Waves compressors too many,but at 3.00am on X1c[all 64 bit,but 64 bit engine unchecked-in preffs,and exporting], all was just dandy!,but now orrrgggh well....computers-love the fact they've enabled me to get back into music,but seriously a Prism Lyra or a [ slightly cheaper depending] RME anything,are looking better,and better by the day.
 
Hopefully soon I can enjoy the unbridaled glee that Craig seems to be having....If I'm Extraordinarily lucky[and WORK very hard at it!]
Cheersyoo
Bob

CakeAlexS
Tony Iommi rules! :)

Yeah he surely does[and he's Left Handed]but he's Rich,Famous :/

.

"There are no previous versions available"     Oh dear,time to play guitar,computers are giving me the .....
Bob
 

rebel007
I'm Australian, so my 20 cents is probably only worth about 17 U.S. but for what it's worth I think Sonar X3 is probably the best Windows DAW at the present time. I use my computer for many things other than making music, although about 75% of my hard drives are related to music, and I can tell you, that at times I have a hard time with Sonar. All in all though, X3 seems about the most stable of all the releases so far and I've been a cakewalk user since Pro Audio 9. I sometimes swap to Cubase cause there are some parts that can get the creative juices flowing, and I still use Audacity and Sound Forge at odd times. But in the end I gravitate back to Sonar cause that's what I know best, and I sort of feel a part of a big family of like minded musicians here.
I hope the cakewalk team keep up the innovation cause every upgrade is another excuse to revisit old songs and start new ones, just another excuse to get creative and for me that's what it's all about.

Hi,
As I said I love My Sonar,but today it's giving me fits like never before,I really think it's this semi dodge XPS Laptop thats been in constant and I mean constant use since April 2011.
 
At first I thought it was the "X3d" update[as all was fine till 4.30am last night],so I tried to roll back to no avail,[I sometimes think this Dell was "Pre #u&%ed" when I got it-my first ever computer at age 46...yikes!]So I did the big Re Install,to get back to X3A.....guess what?
 
Exact same thing as post #47,it's now 10.28pm in Adelaide so this has had me stumped for about 10 hours,something with the hardware,I'm now suspecting[everything reinstalled just fine],just a project with just 6 tracks WON'T play,no matter how preffs,or my VS-100 is set,it's almost the weirdest scene Iv'e had with a DAW[learning was hell] it'll work again,something hardware is to blame possibly,I just really thought that the reinstall,which was so smooth would have sussed it...oh well,I need a break anyway :(
 
Seriously down,not out...yet,will report when my luck changes[?]
Bob

Anderton

CakeAlexS
So hang on, to roll back do you run the patch again?
Otherwise my confusion (at least) is that it isn't in add/remove programs.

1. Navigate through the C: drive maze and locate SONARPDR.EXE in the Sonar X3 Producer folder.
2. Right-click on it and select Properties.
3. Click on the Previous Versions tab.
4. Windows will likely find a previous version.
5. Right-click on it and select Properties.
6. Click the Details tab, and under Product Version, you should see X3c.
7. If selecting the file enables the Restore button, click on it and X3c will return. If not, or the file isn't local, click OK, click Open, click Run, and cross your fingers.

 
However - bear in mind that this may affect other installations related to Sonar, so use it at your own risk. It did seem to work as advertised when I tried it, although after testing I then went back to X3c because I didn't think that unchecking the 64-bit audio engine would mean the end of my ability to create music.

Thats a very dangerous way to rollback Craig. The main problem is that with this you are only rolling back the SONAR EXE.
 
With any update we may potentially change several related files. In this case if you made this change SONAR will probably crash under some conditions since the TTSRES file is now mismatched.
If you really want to do a manual rollback you will have to backup all related files prior to the change and restore them.
I don't even recommend this procedure in general but this is a much safer option:
- Backup the entire Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Prooducer folder
- Backup the entire Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities folder
 
Now to rollback you can restore the previous folders above. Note that this doesn't take into account any plugins that may have been updated by the patch.

Guitarmech111
It would be nice to have a rollback feature for the patch process.

+1