really is x3d that bad

> really is x3d that bad
 
Nope it isn't that bad. But rest assured there will be a long list here shortly that will say otherwise :)
 
Cheers...

It's a list.... so far I haven't seen it become sentinel. Maybe it says "Vote Reagan" or something... who knows.... it's just a a list... Bill Hicks are you there??? What do you say....
 
He says it's just a list...

I'll have to reserve comment on "d", as DAW still being upgraded but I agree wholeheartedly... the X series, up through "c" has been wonderful for me, and while many things needed to be flushed out in the beginning, X3 has been exquisitely awesome and the iterations (a to d) have been rapid, lots of bits tweaked and largely what remains are a few main users with personal differences (ie, takelanes/video) which get down to philosophical/habits/system issues. 
 
It is miraculous, to me... that such an amazing and complex/deep workstation exists on planet "eaarth"... a decade ago millions of $$$ couldn't have bought the power of what X3pro offers out of the box.
 
Humans are too often funny, fickle, winy, self-oriented, ungratuitous, and ungrateful,  stuck in their own precepts and historical perspectives... which is part of the reason the planet, and us as a species, is in such trouble...
 
I fully appreciate and respect all the efforts which have gone into X and love the bakers, who've been outdoing themselves over the past year... fixing bits as they crop up...
 
And this is not coming through on the forum at the moment, which is sad.  Less emotional garbage would be nice.  And remembering the PC platform is difficult to manage, which they are doing a steller job of...
 
I just thought of another thing.... as the bakers, at all levels, are really active on the forums these days it is maybe bringing out a lot more of the issues some have which they've felt neglected, even now... for example... the play list situation... "Hey, they're listening... I need to speak up... now's my chance..."  Personally I think this is good on both sides... but less venom about the past is warranted... as they are listening... 
 
And, maybe a little love thrown in, for good measure... because, folks... we are frackin' lucky to be alive and have this creation available to sculpt our visions...
 

Sidroe
My main concern is that before they turn out a new, improved version every year they should test it not only on a $10,000 computer system. Why not check it out on the barest minimum setup it will possibly run on as well? A lot of us working stiffs can't afford the latest and greatest and most expensive rig to run this software. I would feel better about having it run on the lowest processor and lowest amount of RAM possible just so we can get an idea if it's going to choke on our rigs or not.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Beta/forms/default.aspx
 

How bad is X3?
I swear their are some folks who apparently use Sonar as a "game" to find out its faults and weaknesses rather than to make music.
Why not see the product as half-full, instead of empty and draining low.
1. Try to learn it best
2. Find workarounds to overcome any limitations
3. Use another DAW or plugs to supplement Sonar's inadequacies
Most of all criticisms I read has merit and the bugs reported has merit; along with some good improvement suggestions...........
I deem to focus on what is firing in my cranium into beautiful noises instead of neurotic disturbances.

yes I think it is powerful tool we have with x3d and I like to see the bakers here doing there thing so I would like  to say to them keep up the good work and to others lets rock the world with this program and make more music, mix the music to the highest pro level, and just keep shining. peace to all

Well said, all (especially agree with Vastman and Sylvan)
Having a blast with X3d. Amazing program and there is always something new to learn...
Merry Christmas!
V

cowboydan 
Be thankful for what you have and let cake complete their vision without complaining like little children.
 
MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to ALL.
 

Amen to that
Sonar X3d is an amazing instrument.  We are so lucky to be able to have such a warm and friendly precision software program. 

Knee deep in a mix and have many hours under my belt with D.  NO issues at all.  Its all audio with the exception of drums. Totally loving it. 
 
Merry Christmas!

Good point. Alex is being proactive, contributing to solutions rather than adding to problems. He is not a SONAR apologist (I might be...ha ha ha) but he is a SONAR enthusiast and seems to genuinely want to get to the point and shed light on any REAL problems. Thank you Alex.

Does CW have a beta program? I've been out of the loop for a few years so don't know the current status on that. It seems having a beta program would help in catching some of these "how did they miss that" kind of bugs.
 
As far as X3d, my limited experience tells me that it is a giant improvement over X1 which is where I got off the bus. My arch enemy bugs, the MIDI crosstalk and crashing with more than one VSTi sending MIDI events have finally been fixed (almost 5 years since originally reported), so now I can do things the way I need to. There are obviously still more bugs and I'm sure many people have their own set of pet bugs, some that even makes Sonar unusable for them, but for me at least I can now enjoy using it.
 
Anyway, I offered numerous times to beta test, but I never got any response back. And it is not to get free stuff or anything, I'll gladly pay for Sonar if the most annoying bugs can be sorted out.
 
I do feel it is a little bit unfair to have bugs sit in each version that makes an advertised feature unusable, only to have to pay for the next upgrade to get that feature fixed. It is like buying a 2013 model car and finding out the radio doesn't work. But don't worry, they fixed the radio in the 2014 model so just go ahead and buy that one. I think CW should keep fixing bugs in older versions (say one version back) to be fair to those that paid for that previous version but the advertised features never worked properly. However I understand that at the end of the day it will mean less revenue since people will be less likely to upgrade right away.

CakeAlexS
It's a list.... so far I haven't seen it become sentinel. Maybe it says "Vote Reagan" or something... who knows.... it's just a a list... Bill Hicks are you there??? What do you say....
 
He says it's just a list...

I like the list. Based on problems people were reporting on the c patch I skipped it since b was working fine for what I was doing. I didn't see any show stoppers on the d list so I've gone ahead and applied d.   

Anderton
It takes just as much effort to learn a DAW as it does any musical instrument...

Words of wisdom... I feel at times that some either expect a giant "make song for me now!" button, or find a single bug they will champion unto death blindly... neither perspective is spending time learning the DAW or making music.
 
X3d is quite the Christmas present actually!
 
Merry Christmas everyone!

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