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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:22:06
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Genghis Fret Wizz I've never been able to get Reaper stable on my PC. It hangs, crashes and generally is the least stable DAW I've tried. Dunno why ... I've tried a few times ... I actually downloaded it again just the other day, but haven't installed it yet. hehe at the rate of development on the Cockos site I should probably check in again to see if it's been updated already. Buy honestly ... out of all the DAWs I've tried Reaper is the one that gives me the most problems. Same here. It crashes pretty much instantly before I'm able to even try to figure out how to use it. I've heard so many people touting how great it is, but I've given up trying it. I used it on my laptop and my desktop (dedicated) DAW about a dozen times each. Not one failure. Granted only in small bits. Glenbo uses it as his main DAW, all the time without fail. So, it's back to the "CJism": it's prolly your config or drivers. Again, I use SONAR 8.5.1 as of a few days ago. I'm not sellin' Reaper.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:45:27
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Marah: daveny5 << Why not be honest and admit its because you don't want to have to pay for Sonar? >> It's sad to think that serious DAW users would think that serious DAW users would make a decision like that based on price. Unfortunately, that seems to be the kind of user attitude and technical understanding, and inertia in loyalty drag, that CW's business seems increasingly dependent on, and that its (apparently) combined marketing and development efforts are geared towards. (Could this be a case CW listening to their customers too well?) Since when has Dave made a post worthy of serious commentary?...I think you may be the one suffering from purposeful selectivity in your hearing here. Courtesy demands with me that if I leave a party I don't inform the host there is a better party down the road I simply make my choice and stay or leave...anything else would be attention seeking and at the very least impolite. If anything the buzz around Reaper is more hype than anything it has good features but it's a long way off the magic bullet that many would have me believe and I frequently try it, the truth is I'm getting the job done better on what I have and if that makes me on the loyalty train in your eyes then so be it. I can live with that, I can live with the quirks and foibles of my now plain ol' 'unfashionable' ol' mans DAW too but I can't live with the quirks and foibles with some of the competing products and I mean things like Rewire just breaking so often as to be unusable to mention just one thing. There are some exciting developments in the DAW world and despite having some great features (many borrowed from existing DAWS like Acid Pro, FL and the like) Reaper isn't the candidate for me. There's a very exciting development on the Presonus site presently that has my attention. What makes you so arrogant on this subject that you can state that a companies marketing efforts are off the mark and that it's customers are merely loyal for loyalties sake, basically that we are a bunch of numb headed bozo's because some of us see it differently to Marah? I'll tell you the truth though there is one thing plain to see is that the customer service aspect of this company needs seriously shaking up it plain doesn't work presently. There, you heard that from a brain-washed fuddy duddy that gets herded with the rest of the sheep. I ain't listening to anyone I make my own mind up and stay informed of what is around, and I certainly ain't listening to whatever impulse that drives you in this loyalty bashing crusade you oft appear to be on.....who are ya?
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:46:35
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Sure .. I know many people have Reaper and it's stable for them. Other DAWs work on my PC "as is" but Reaper doesn't. ACID, Energy XT, FL Studio and of course SONAR all work. Not REAPER. Don't know why ..... just saying.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:50:05
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One of the things I like about Cakewalk and Sonar is this forum. I love it that the developers allow people to come on here and say pretty much whatever they want about Cakewalk, and that there's even a dedicated forum for talking about other software apps. It's a bit off-putting, then, to see a thread that looks like the kind of fanboi slaughterfests you see on the Propellerhead forums. Now I really can see the criticism of the "I'm leaving" posts, which truly do perhaps over-accentuate the drama a bit. So even though, as Marah said, the announcement is often an important psychological component of actually leaving, I would have no objection to some mild criticism of that. But there seems to be more than just that in this thread. I read here to learn good and bad things about Sonar, and sometimes about other programs as well. Critical posts, along with honest praise, are valuable to me, and potentially extremely valuable to potential buyers. Personally, I frequently evaluate software pre-purchase by checking out the forums, and it makes me less likely to buy when I see a mob enforcing "ideological purity" on the message board. Not that we're exactly seeing vigilante justice in this thread, I'm just sayin'.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:06:35
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Ive tryed Reaper and it is very impressive. Some of the things I like about it: The envelopes are a dream to use Autofades when you split a clip. In explorer you can turn off looping and still have autoplay on for one shot samples. Overall more stable Seems like it uses less CPU. Starts up in about 2 seconds. Been using Sonar for ages but this program is tempting me bigtime.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:06:53
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Man I'm tired of all these people-trolls that have to come here and tell us they're going another DAW host because their nuts are in a bunch over something one day and then continue to hang on the forum and piss and moan about something they don't use anymore. Will the whining never cease?
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:17:18
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I'm switching too, TV is becoming so darn boring these days, 2,500 channels and nothing decent is on *grrrr* may as well join Netflix or something like that (if ya' know what I mean), it's just getting so darn ridiculous and ... OOPS!! Wrong forum, wrong site.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:24:39
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SONAR or Reaper? That may be the question. For some but not me Ooops I thought this was the SONAR Haiku thread in the Coffee House Forum. My bad.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:26:25
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Ok! I'm here not there! Huh! I'm waiting to upgrade SONAR but unfortunately will have to wait (long story), meanwhile I will download Reaper and see what the fuzz is about but doubt very much I will give up SONAR as my main daw because it's been a rock solid performer for me. I guess that's why others who have said they now use Reaper end up hanging around here, deep down they love SONAR and wished it was perfect but unfortunately no DAW is perfect and the grass isn't greener on the other side (that's been said a million times), Google it!!!
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:27:51
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@ Jonbouy Thanks. Your points are all well taken. And I apologize to you and all for the curt and broad-brush equation of loyalty with inertia or, more generally, any unintentional implication that staying with Sonar must be based on both of those. I know that it's nowhere near that simple.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:28:46
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the grass isn't greener on the other side I googled it and it said: 1,000,001 (it included yours). Now it's gotta be at least 1,000,002, DOH!
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:34:10
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Marah @ Jonbouy Thanks. Your points are all well taken. And I apologize to you and all for the curt and broad-brush equation of loyalty with inertia or, more generally, any unintentional implication that staying with Sonar must be based on both of those. I know that it's nowhere near that simple. Why thanks Marah, but let it be known that I consider you as a thinker and one of the 'good guys' round here and without need, I was intentionally being a bit bullish back there so I extend an apology back for that.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:36:53
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bapu the grass isn't greener on the other side I googled it and it said: 1,000,001 (it included yours). Now it's gotta be at least 1,000,002, DOH! YEah I did say "the Grass isn't greener on the other side" DOH!!! Make that 1,000,003
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:44:20
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check out Studio One from Presonus, it looks to be a very good alternative for those of you peeved about Sonars ever increasing convaluted interface.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 20:54:35
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bapu Genghis Fret Wizz I've never been able to get Reaper stable on my PC. It hangs, crashes and generally is the least stable DAW I've tried. Dunno why ... I've tried a few times ... I actually downloaded it again just the other day, but haven't installed it yet. hehe at the rate of development on the Cockos site I should probably check in again to see if it's been updated already. Buy honestly ... out of all the DAWs I've tried Reaper is the one that gives me the most problems. Same here. It crashes pretty much instantly before I'm able to even try to figure out how to use it. I've heard so many people touting how great it is, but I've given up trying it. I used it on my laptop and my desktop (dedicated) DAW about a dozen times each. Not one failure. Granted only in small bits. Glenbo uses it as his main DAW, all the time without fail. So, it's back to the "CJism": it's prolly your config or drivers. Again, I use SONAR 8.5.1 as of a few days ago. I'm not sellin' Reaper. Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll stick with SONAR... it is stable and nothing else has crashed on my system as quickly as Reaper. FWIW I believe all the posts saying that it works, but why would I want to waste my time fixing what ain't broke when SONAR already does what I need without crashing. I was only trying Reaper because I was curious about the buzz... not because I was missing anything with SONAR.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 21:01:40
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mbot check out Studio One from Presonus, it looks to be a very good alternative for those of you peeved about Sonars ever increasing convaluted interface. I've using the demo since it's was available, it's looks very pretty, very nice GUI, cool workflow, nice plugins, but when it smiles there's a quite few teeth missing.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 21:05:36
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I own (bought and paid for ) both Sonar 8 and Reaper. Both run on my two music computers, both have strengths and weakenesses. I do ALL my sequencing on a prehistoric Amiga 1200 because it and the software I use are so stable they put PCs AND Macs to shame. Still haven`t made up my mind about which of Reaper or Sonar I will finally run with. But since the cost of acquisition of reaper or sonar studio for a professional is not dissimilar, the only real difference in the business model is that Sonar only offer a try before you buy demo version for the amateurs, whereas Jason & co are offering the full thing at a cut down price for the amateur user. Guess who has the most cracked and pirated software? And frankly anyone who is uncomfortable with a company called cockos has a really dirty mind. Me? Still playing with both of them till I finally decide which one is capable of dealing with my MIDI requirements as well as the audio.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 21:06:06
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but when it smiles there's a quite few teeth missing. Yup it's still a gummy little baby yet but it does look promising. Although it's bound to put on some weight as they try to make it all things to all people in order to gain a slice of the market. But for me it's the new kid that's the one to watch currently. Pricing is steep though.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 21:42:27
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papa2005 Who is Paul Slocum and why do we care if he's switching? Paul Slocum invented the doodleswatzer gumbo preparation injection device for intraconstabulary contortionism of the vestibular schmobart interchange... this may not be that same guy although Reaper is intriguing... While I may wind up having it someday... I'm just now mastering SONAR and I do like it... But like girlfriends... there may be another babe on my arm at the Christmas party or at the Paul Slocum Memorial Bacon Toss in Gonad, Montana But I do hope he cares enough to report back to us in the near future as to the evolution of his skills and resultant improved production.... I'm the first member of my family to walk upright. You're not nearly as cute as me.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 21:53:57
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simpleman I can imagine this Reaper eventually becoming this Super DAW. Being able to cap what every other does. I mean programs like Nuendo, which sells for over US $2000, to mention Sonar, Logic et all. It can run on any type of computer and any type of operating system. This is being given away for free, or pay only if one feels guilty enough. Why should anyone complain about wanting to use such a marvelous system with a marketing strategy not even good enough for true Socialism. Unless of course it succeeds in killing off every other DAW then it will Reap the benefits and charge a "million dollars" It bothers me to support this ploy. Because if it sounds too good to be true, then it is. All the open source products sound great, but then when you go to use them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office versus Microsoft Office. The basic functions are there, but the advanced functions are not. There's no pivot tables in the spreadsheets. Linux was going to save the world against the abuses of Microsoft. I installed Ubuntu on my spare computer and I can't even get the wheel on the mouse to work. Netbooks that were released with Linux operating systems didn't sell. People wanted Windows. Problem is there is an infinite number of combinations of hardware and software and to develop and support a product that works on most of them requires a dedicated staff and costs a lot of money. Having people working on it in their spare time isn't going to cut it.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:02:24
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So, it's back to the "CJism": it's prolly your config or drivers. I don't think CJ has ever used "prolly" even with his worst typing mistake.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:11:08
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Sonar, Les Paul Studio, FTU, puter, plugs.........
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:13:18
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Funny comment about the video regarding the beta version of Record: "i think the band in this ad were using a controversial beta version called "****" "
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:17:22
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guitardog247 I'm switching to "Record" by Propellerhead. It's for musicians, not audio engineers!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe7Iapsu_38 Yeah... well... you can throw out all those fancy VSTs now... cuz you won't be usin' 'em...
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:32:34
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Marah It's sad to think that serious DAW users would think that serious DAW users would make a decision like that based on price. *snip* I've been thinking about this. Switching applications is not a decision made lightly, especially when the application is central to what you do, I agree with all of this, in theory. But I think the reality is a little bit different. We've seen people say "they're switching" over everything from bad colors to an odd crash. And not always Reaper either. AND, most of these people love to throw around "I have Cubase, Logic, Nuendo, Samplitude, and SONAR..." with quite aplomb. Sure, we hope most of those are demos but.... As a practical reality: there's a ton of warez users out there. And another practical reality: Reaper is free. Especially if you're normally a warez user or are in the process of "going legit" (because most of us WERE warez users at one point). You don't pay anything, and you still don't FEEL like you're doing anything wrong. And okay, sure Reaper costs $60. That's a low enough bar that even some borderline warez users are gonna plunk down the money. Clean conscience. Plus, with Reaper's rock-star pedigree it feels like the money is going to something cool instead of one of those "corporations". That, from my arm-chair, is the practical reality. The "Reaper is all that and a bag of chips" crew has sounded off enough to know they're enthusiastic. I used Reaper, I think it does some things great, some things not-so-great, and is geared to a specific type of user (one who LOVES to get their hands dirty tweaking it constantly to fine-tune their workflow). It's a great piece of gear, just like ALL the other DAWs (even Cubase, which I can't STAND, is a powerful DAW with some killer features). It's as old as the hills, chasing the better beast. As for the OP, I think it's fine he's switching. I think it's also fine he posts a goodbye that enumerates the reasons WHY he's switching. That either reveals a person is a punk loser or it reveals legitimate places for improvement. "bugs that need improvement" and "cluttered interface" sounds a little weak to me, but if the OP has discovered he loves Reaper more and wants to go that way it's his business and I don't think it's anything anybody could, should, or would WANT to take personally. What the frak do I care if someone wants to change DAWs? Sure I got some Cakewalk loyalty because I use and love the product, but sheesh I've corked off enough on this forum about shortcomings to know SONAR (and really NO DAW) is not perfect. Big whoop? But again, the practical reality: Reaper is basically free, with a $60 conscience fee. And most users do NOT labor over switching DAWs. They warez 'em or they're so absurdly wealthy it doesn't bother them to buy them all and sort it out later. Me? I just wanna produce some music yo. Well that and engage in completely useless pseudo-intellectual sissy fits on sound forums. Hey, you gotta do SOMETHING while you're waiting for your audio to render, right?
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:42:21
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I haven't heard the term "sissy fit" in awhile. Kudos, whoever said that. Was I actually reading a post? Umm, I just wanted to say, wasn't the OP suppose to title the thread "bye, bye, sonar...."? that seems to be the standard for this. Personally, I don't have the time to even noodle around with another DAW, I'm still learning Cakewalk for christ's sake. It must be nice for some of you that have money to spend or time to waste on trying out all these DAW's. Also, I've never had a problem with Sonar 6, 7, or 8. On any of my modest systems. But I only record a few tracks........ I'm probably overkill with Sonar PE anyway.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:47:47
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haven't heard the term "sissy fit" in awhile. Kudos, whoever said that. Was I actually reading a post? Actually the expression is "hissy fit".
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:56:31
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I've tried Reaper. It has some really good features, but it's not right for me. I think it is an important DAW on many levels. Since coming on the scene it forced all the old DAW makers to lower prices. It also has them running scared, which is a good thing for all of us.
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 22:58:33
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strikinglyhandsome1 You Reaper what you Sonar Waaaaaay Funny! Carey
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Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 23:05:08
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Marah I've done it only once before with a core application, when I switched from WordPerfect to Microsoft Word. I made that exact same switch, and it was after years and many versions of WordPerfect. [...] The dramatic "I'm switching" announcement is part of the separation process. Like a rite of passage. Like if I make a public declaration, it means that I've really done it. Or at least that I kind of have to go through with it. Sort of like a weird variation of "stop me before I kill again." In other words, the drama reflects the trauma. I thought it was more of a "Hey Cakewalk, I've been dissatisfied with seeing the same bugs, version after version, and I've had it and am switching products because of it now" kind of message.
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