mgh

lol, mercedes quality control certainly took a nosedive in the mid-noughties. it's back to the expected now though...want reliability? buy a Roland Japanese car

Unfortunately, I have to say you're right. I have a Honda Fit with 81,000 miles, all I've done is change the oil and I just replaced the tires. Brakes still like new, as well as everything else.

My GMC Sierra (60,000 miles on it). Here's what I've had to replace so far ... Both wheel bearings in the front end (second time), both rotors, calipers, pads, passenger side air bag sensor, sensor in the dashboard for vent control, driver side door latch and handle, CD player, connecting rods, tie rod ends, sway bar, solenoid in transmission, engine seals, transmission seals, bad ground in electrical system. And they wonder why I'm pissed every time I go in there shop.

UnderTow


Hi Brandon,

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]


The phrase Pro Tools has become almost like a bat signal.

Actually that wasn't what made me check out the forum again. (See below). And if you would look at all my posts, you would see that I argue against anything that I consider illogical or just not well informed. (See my responses today to dr.hash for instance or look at my response to Mike about the lack of PDC in PT LE. THat was never a good thing IMO). It just that the topic of Pro Tools seems to cause the most uninformed comments on this forum. As I use Pro Tools nearly daily I know that some of these comments are incorrect so I address them. I also have a pet peeve against the thought that it is a given that most software has bugs on a first release. Some, sure. As many as some applications have? No way! Avid have proven that.

Incidentally, after reading your comments on the X1 discussion over at GrearSlutz I'm genuinely surprised you even click on the SONAR icon at this point, for any reason. No offense intended, but it just continues to baffle me....after all these years, and increasingly so.

I'm still in contact with the good folk that wrote that long "workflow enhancements" letter to Cakewalk addressed to amongst others yourself,  about  this time last year. (And in case you didn't realise, I was one of the co-writers). A comment made by one of them in email made me have a look here.

And much more importantly, I still want Sonar to work as intended so I can start using it again as my main DAW for doing creative stuff in my home studio. My main issue has always been the unresolved envelope and audio engine bugs. If those were addressed it would go a very long way to make me happy with Sonar again. If nothing else I could value Sonar solely based in it's feature set rather than on the fact that it doesn't do what it is supposed to do.

UnderTow

Sent you a PM.

As far as envelopes and audio engine bugs are concerned:

1) Envelopes are quite different in X1 and have been overhauled. I'd be happy to test any problems you were having previously to see if it makes any difference.
2) What are these audio engine bugs? Can you be more specific?

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

As far as envelopes and audio engine bugs are concerned:

1) Envelopes are quite different in X1 and have been overhauled. I'd be happy to test any problems you were having previously to see if it makes any difference.
2) What are these audio engine bugs? Can you be more specific?

Hi Brandon.

Question, being the main Sonar presentation/public spooksman with access to X1 during development. At-least the prerelease as seen in the videos. With all the demos did you not notice the issues? AudioSnap/Quantize audio for example? I'm just trying to understand how cakewalk decided "yes this is the one to release".

RogerS

mike_mccue


what I saw wrenched my gut.

I gotta find a new DAW.

I see myself learning PT9 .

It seems like a huge step backwards

they took the functionality it down to 70%, made it look ugly, and have pretended some toy like efx represent technical accomplishment.

It is depressing.

That just plain sucks.

I feel like I just got kicked off the train by a mob of folks

For the past 5 years Cakewalk has engaged in both smoke and mirrors marketing and dummy down development.

I may ask for a refund.

The nausea is still sort of unsettling.

I little dramatic don't you think? You made up your mind before you even tried it, and then you didn't even give it a few days before spewing this crap. You could learn something from eratu's review.

Blocked.

Thanks Roger!!!

ah gee whiz,

I was thanking you for taking the time to offer your opinion and post your comment.

Thanks.

best regards,
mike

Bub

mgh

lol, mercedes quality control certainly took a nosedive in the mid-noughties. it's back to the expected now though...want reliability? buy a Roland Japanese car

Unfortunately, I have to say you're right. I have a Honda Fit with 81,000 miles, all I've done is change the oil and I just replaced the tires. Brakes still like new, as well as everything else.

My GMC Sierra (60,000 miles on it). Here's what I've had to replace so far ... Both wheel bearings in the front end (second time), both rotors, calipers, pads, passenger side air bag sensor, sensor in the dashboard for vent control, driver side door latch and handle, CD player, connecting rods, tie rod ends, sway bar, solenoid in transmission, engine seals, transmission seals, bad ground in electrical system. And they wonder why I'm pissed every time I go in there shop.

I know this is OT but I have to chime in. 4 years ago I bought the last GM I will ever buy and it was for crap very much like you are dealing with. It's a lot easier to change software than a car.

I'm so happy with the X1, being I wasn't a power user, this new Sonar is made in heaven for me, every thing seems simpler, straight foward and clear for the first time in my dealings with DAW software, not that 8.5 was too complicated but it wasn't as self apparent to me as the way as this X1 is  .....I'm really glad CakeWalk came out with X1, me and my band mates are delighted....not since Melodyne have we been this excited about new software.....we already working on 4 different pojects....and they are coming along smooth as silk....amazing! props to the Bakers..great job guys and gals!

Mod Bod

Boy, is Avid going to get an education.  Now that they have gone native they will have to deal with anyone with a Laptop and a sound card.   Or some, who have the most convoluted PC systems that you can imagine.

Amen brother.

Brandon, I feel your pain.
The Tabbed-Ribbon interface is no doubt the worst software "improvement" of the past decade. Combined with dropdowns, hard to read colors, extra-clicks, new key commands,... it seems X1 has gone where no DAW should ever go.

I can read the discomfort in your responses to the multitude of complaints posted by longtime Sonar users, as you have to defend the results of your superiors' decisions. "Just try it for a while. Just map some keys. Just wait for the next update."

I am but a user. I have invested money and time in the program and company. But you have invested years of you daily life as one of the faces of CW and Sonar. And now this. Not much of a reward.

I will bet the sales of X1 have been primarily from existing users who anticipated significant improvements and fixes.

Many of us were hoping CW managers would finally get it. But this time is just about what it has been like since Sonar 1: complaints and requests repeatedly ignored and postponed.

It is clear to me X1 is NOT a new version of Sonar. All that was learned during the 10 years of users' requests and complaints has obviously been ignored again.

I assume some of the items on last year's list of most important changes were included. Was data import included in X1?

What bothers me most is it appears CW does not employ anyone who understands how to "anticipate and prepare" for change. These are the tasks of management. Yet, given the significant changes to Sonar, there has been no demonstration that anyone actually thought through how the tens of thousands of Sonar users would respond. I know this should not be a surprise to me. Pretty much each year it has been about the same. With many of the same comments about functions that we were "promised" years before. But I am dismayed.

No doubt it is disappointing to get really good at something and have to start anew with that which is less than it needed to be.

20+ versions of Sonar, and once again we are encouraged to salivate for the next version update, X1a, as a consolation prize.
 
And example of what could have helped:
  a keyboard-shortcut template that would map keys as the are in 8.5.3 to help with the transition
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wormser

Bub

... the icon's are so small on my 1920 x 1080 monitor, and if I change the resolution, it goes out of native mode and everything is fuzzy and I still can't see it.

I haven't get my boxed version yet ... , but from the screenshots I've seen, I think I'm going to love it.

+1
These 50 yo eyeballs have problems as well and it's a catch 22.
Bigger monitor = native screen rez higher, but everything is smaller so I'm right back where I started only with more screen real estate.

I'm using 2 LCD, one at 1680x1050 and the other 1440x900.

I wonder what changed with LCD monitors? Back in the CRT days you could select any resolution and it was crystal clear.

Bub

wormser

Bub

... the icon's are so small on my 1920 x 1080 monitor, and if I change the resolution, it goes out of native mode and everything is fuzzy and I still can't see it.

I haven't get my boxed version yet ... , but from the screenshots I've seen, I think I'm going to love it.

+1
These 50 yo eyeballs have problems as well and it's a catch 22.
Bigger monitor = native screen rez higher, but everything is smaller so I'm right back where I started only with more screen real estate.

I'm using 2 LCD, one at 1680x1050 and the other 1440x900.

I wonder what changed with LCD monitors? Back in the CRT days you could select any resolution and it was crystal clear.

I think it's more that as we age, our vision is getting worse.

However, LCD are designed to operate best at their native resolution and the image degrades outside that resolution where CRT could operate at any resolution, within the spec, and not degrade any.

Good thing the youngsters are not allowed to change basic mathamatics.

 
Or spelling .... DOH :)
 
 

It seems that Cakewalk intends to placate the frustrations of people who purchase technology that they are not prepared to understand. For the past 5 years Cakewalk has engaged in both smoke and mirrors marketing and dummy down development... which is a typical, perhaps classical, symptom of a mature technology abandoned as a products to be consumed as light entertainment.

 
Well don't rush to judgement.

Well, the gnashing of teeth goes on. Once again I have to take the position that workflow improvements are purely subjective per user and that is what they want to see. X1 is a new system apparently. Less toolbars sounds good to me. Obviously there will be a learning period upon opening X1. Things like colors shouldn't be at the top of the list and if streamlining the GUI frees up resources on the PC, I'm all for it. I won't be dropping 8.5.3 PE any time soon since I am using the VS700 system, but I will take the time to install X1PE and learn how it works. Change is inevitable, software adapts, we must be adaptive also.