FastBikerBoy
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 09:15:18
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bobguitkillerleft I can easily admit Im a complete nub about stuff,like BFD2 for instance,I was uninformed and too quick to judge,and had it carefully explained to me. I still wish I hadn't bought it. You had to buy advice?
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 09:21:13
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Don't tell me I missed another bun fight?
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 09:27:50
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 09:42:56
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FastBikerBoy bobguitkillerleft I can easily admit Im a complete nub about stuff,like BFD2 for instance,I was uninformed and too quick to judge,and had it carefully explained to me. I still wish I hadn't bought it. You had to buy advice? Doesn't everybody? Yeah BFD2,was a one time offer of $299-including the advice What do you pay for advice? I usually just stand on a roundabout,and use signs,but this time I had Hell to pay.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 09:48:28
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BFD2 is probably my 2nd most astute software purchase after Sonar, followed by T-Racks, then EWQLSO
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 09:54:41
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I can hear twaddle's footsteps and he's running towards this thread.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 09:56:21
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Yep, bless him. I'll have to meet up with him sometime, he's in the same city as me.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 10:19:50
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John alexoosthoek I know you were not asking a question, I was, but I guess "What I would like to see is when a poster starts a thread asking for feedback they stay around to answer questions" doesn 't iclude you as a poster? And it does need further contribution from you, as in someone asked you a question. And as in you insulted a lot op people. There is only one reason people may have felt insulted. I submit that it could be because it was truthful. If it were not, had no validity then it would be a long forgotten post. It was in internet time a very long time ago. Further its one of very few posts I have posted in that forum. None of which have gotten this sort of response. I am done with your attempts at drawing me into another subject. If you wish to speak to the topic at hand I am listening. Otherwise I will not respond. Take care and have a nice evening. You too.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 10:53:00
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 10:56:08
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First rule of Fight Club: Never talk about Fight Club. Yoyo out!
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 10:58:53
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Bristol_Jonesey Yep, bless him. I'll have to meet up with him sometime, he's in the same city as me. Will have a couple of jars and chat to some birds?
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 11:16:17
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 11:19:05
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 11:32:27
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bapu Bristol_Jonesey Yep, bless him. I'll have to meet up with him sometime, he's in the same city as me. Will have a couple of jars and chat to some birds? Definitely. Will have to let the wife know though, so there's a small problem straight away.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 11:49:25
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I think there are some important steps to take when offering advice. Make clear what the question is, ask the poster for steps taken or expected results if the problem or question is unclear. Always try to differentiate between opinion and fact (if something I say is opinion you will almost always see my one liner "As always, individual mileage may vary". If I'm trying to say something factual I'll always try to link to the source I'm using and or quote the text and link to the source I'm referring to. Provide information on products or methods I've actually used or use. This is a biggie as I'm unsure the value of adding something to a technical topic when one has no frame of reference. Try to post topics in appropriate forums (this is my number one personal rule). If I've ever posted a topic not related directly to the forum's intent I'd be surprised to find it (but as always, we are all human and prone to mistakes so it could have happened, but if it became a habit then I'd expect others to point it out). If a thread gets personal there always comes a time when it's best to just walk away - it's the interenet, it's a pseudonym based (in most cases), faceless community, prone to having people behave differently than they would if face to face with each other. It provides cover for bad behavior that others would find unacceptable in polite company. I always try to let anything I might find objectionable sit in my reply window for a few before hitting Post Message (I'll be honest enough to say that I've chosen to delete what I was posting many times because I thought I might be crossing a line and acting in a way I would never act if face to face with someone in a polite debate). I think we have a great community here with very helpful people. I also think we have too many threads that should really be posted elsewhere (easy to accept from new forum members, less so from long time folks, but cest le vie), but ultimately I hope we all contribute because we want to share our knowledge, our experiences, and parts of ourselves with others who all find joy in making and/or recording music. If nothing else, we hopefully all share that one simple thing. As always, individual mileage may vary (I had some "opinion" in my post so it's only right to qualify it as such). Be well my friends.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 11:49:55
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I question the original point of the post. The X1 board isn't exclusive in having some really experienced people and some less experienced people commenting. All of them want to help and it works pretty well in that regard. This is no different anywhere else. Incorrect information will lead to the wrong outcome. The advice was free and sometimes the advice is worth what you paid for it. But mostly the team here are helpful. Many times , answers and comments come with a very limited knowledge of the hardware and software configuration and maybe the info in the question is not a total picture of the problem for those trying to help.Some problems like popping and crackling noises can have many causes. Under those circumstances, many posters here still manage to help someone experiencing a problem.. If a person questions the accuracy of the help they receive,there are plenty of other better ways to learn something. Cakewalk has a lot of resources available to people looking for help. Some things are unfortunately predictable here. I'm not sure what has happened in the past , but you guys(you know who you are) need to get over,under or somehow past whatever it is. John started out with an appreciation for a few individuals and even that was attacked.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 12:05:33
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I appreciate what John said about me (thank you John) but I do not consider myself a great helper/poster. I do appreciate it when we all treat each other fairly and concentrate on the issue at hand. Many times, there is not an issue to address but instead, words of frustration. It's hard to help the patient when they can't get specific enough to help you make a diagnosis! All the best to everyone who tries to make this a better world. Rimshot
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 12:28:42
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I appreciate what John said about me (thank you John) but I do not consider myself a great helper/poster. I didn't disagree with him about observations of your interaction here, hopefully I demonstrated why it was not a good idea to invite personal views on who one would consider to be a good poster or a bad one, it prompted my honest view of the person inviting my reponse. I am normally able to make judgements on the content of a post, good or bad without it reflecting on the poster in any way and certainly without requiring the input of anyone else to help me make up my mind, let alone some self-appointed forum 'milk monitor' that is able to dish out real insults like bully and yet screams like a hysterical child who's had their favourite dolly taken away if there is even a whiff of anything returned, implied or actual. John I would like others that have read a posting from a newer member to also list them here if they were impressed by them. I always enjoy your posts Jim and you like many of us are clearly here for the overriding desire to make music. That in itself qualifies you greatly above some of the contributers here in my book. IMO the message should always trump the messenger.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 13:29:27
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Starise I question the original point of the post. The X1 board isn't exclusive in having some really experienced people and some less experienced people commenting. All of them want to help and it works pretty well in that regard. This is no different anywhere else. Incorrect information will lead to the wrong outcome. The advice was free and sometimes the advice is worth what you paid for it. But mostly the team here are helpful. Many times , answers and comments come with a very limited knowledge of the hardware and software configuration and maybe the info in the question is not a total picture of the problem for those trying to help.Some problems like popping and crackling noises can have many causes. Under those circumstances, many posters here still manage to help someone experiencing a problem.. If a person questions the accuracy of the help they receive,there are plenty of other better ways to learn something. Cakewalk has a lot of resources available to people looking for help. Some things are unfortunately predictable here. I'm not sure what has happened in the past , but you guys(you know who you are) need to get over,under or somehow past whatever it is. John started out with an appreciation for a few individuals and even that was attacked. I think I have posted with "well done" in other threads on your posts. If I haven't I do so now. Well done. The same goes for Jind. You both add greatly to this forum.
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 13:58:07
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 14:24:03
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 14:25:12
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those trophies have got weird arms
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 14:25:53
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strikinglyhandsome1 Let's face it, we are all wonderful. If Carlsberg did a best forum poster award we would be equal winners. Come on chaps, grab them while they're hot. http://img378.imageshack....8/5945/trophieshh2.png Mebee, but some (according to some) are more wonderful than some. Does that sum it up?
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 14:28:05
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pwal blimey Mebee you could start a new thread called "When Asking a Question"... I like the fact that even after you called non-topic on this the accusations were still flying about people taking it off-topic... Blimey is such a good word.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 14:29:39
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 14:41:56
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New thread: When asking for advice............be prepared for 8 pages of waffle from your award-winning Cakewalk forum.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 14:53:01
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John Starise I question the original point of the post. The X1 board isn't exclusive in having some really experienced people and some less experienced people commenting. All of them want to help and it works pretty well in that regard. This is no different anywhere else. Incorrect information will lead to the wrong outcome. The advice was free and sometimes the advice is worth what you paid for it. But mostly the team here are helpful. Many times , answers and comments come with a very limited knowledge of the hardware and software configuration and maybe the info in the question is not a total picture of the problem for those trying to help.Some problems like popping and crackling noises can have many causes. Under those circumstances, many posters here still manage to help someone experiencing a problem.. If a person questions the accuracy of the help they receive,there are plenty of other better ways to learn something. Cakewalk has a lot of resources available to people looking for help. Some things are unfortunately predictable here. I'm not sure what has happened in the past , but you guys(you know who you are) need to get over,under or somehow past whatever it is. John started out with an appreciation for a few individuals and even that was attacked. I think I have posted with "well done" in other threads on your posts. If I haven't I do so now. Well done. The same goes for Jind. You both add greatly to this forum. Can I get a 'well done' please John? I knew I hadn't been patronised in ages there was something missing from my CV. Many thanks. And really 'well done' on your awesome 'well done' post. Group hug? Come on big fellow, you know you want to.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 15:01:17
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Well done Steve, some of your your posts make me laugh anyway, and laughter is the best medicine advice.... or something like that.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 15:07:15
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Holy Cow, that just took 20 min. to read to update since my last post here, This is taking up a lot of my valuable time were I could be helping someone. But it was educational if what I was looking for was personality profiles on forum members. Thanks for your recognition of my efforts John. I didn't read the thread in question and at the risk of being toasted to death I get the feeling I would be on your side there. I just worry about some members spending to much time on ( ???) when they should be putting all that creative energy into songwriting and recording. If we delete all the off topic this would still be on page 1 and a half decent thread. I think I'm going to Grear Slutz and see if anyone needs help with their MIDI cables...:)
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/11 15:14:19
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FastBikerBoy Well done Steve, some of your your posts make me laugh anyway, and laughter is the best medicine advice.... or something like that. I stopped taking myself too seriously a long time ago mate I mean, nobody else does And unlike a few round these parts, the sense of my own self-importance has always been rooted firmly on the ground. I think that those here who've been lucky enough to meet me (Bapu and Jonbouy) might tell you that I'm the same in real life as I am on here. A bleedin' eejut
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