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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 05:26:49
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Oh, the only thing that puzzles me is that statement which said the renewal was only valid through December 25, 2037. Does that mean that they expect us all to be dead in 21 years or that is how long they expect to be in business? Till death do us part!!!
That's when the world ends, no?
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 05:36:24
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I dont think I will be around that time?
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/05/19 09:44:02
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The lifetime option is very inexpensive and a no brainer (for me). However, why purchase it now? Isn't the offer good for awhile? That is, what do you get now that you won't get later? Am I missing something?
Thanks
Nope, not missing a thing. You can buy whenever you want up to August 31stdaryl1968
I still don't have an email Baps - I guess I'll be off to the Hamster Groomers Forum - they like me over there.....
You got it now.
Got it and paid - thanks Andrew - you're a superstar
And I am what, chopped liver?
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 06:46:35
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3) Plat is about $500 to start (i.e you bought one of the top of the line previous Sonar versions in that price range)
+ $150 upgrade to Plat + $100 renewal $100 lfetime
Thats $850 if you bought X3 Producer about 2 years ago. That is quite expensive, IMO. Seriously something to think about.
I started with Sonar 5 Producer, and have renewed at the top tier level consistently since then (including the short-lived Expanded version). I could go and add up everything I've spend on CW since then but I'm too lazy; in any case it's well over a thousand shekels, likely closer to 2. Is that a lot of money? Yes it is (and others have been around longer and spent more). But I've had access to an excellent cutting-edge DAW that does what I need it to and is a pleasure to use, for that whole time, and I've made quite a bit more than that doing the work I've done with it over the same period. So it seems like a fairly solid investment to me! Others' mileage may vary (some people don't make a dime from what they use Sonar for and are still perfectly happy with the deal) - it's really up to you whether you feel it's worth it to you, or whether you should look elsewhere if a competitor's offerings seem better or better value.
And the details are still unclear to a degree. What are "core features?" I have a feeling quite a few will disagree over what features are core.
That is surely so, but it doesn't matter a fig what anyone else thinks, since it's CW's company and product and they get to decide what is 'core' and what is 'extra'. We only get to decide if their offer is a good fit for our particular needs and situation. We can speculate on what they might be up to, but there's not much we can do to force them to do one thing or another we might like them to do.
$99 for any owner of Plat might not be a horrific upgrade to a lifetime update program, but Fruity Loops seems to offer a similar model for free. (and only $39) if you have an ancient version and want to upgrade to the lifetime update model.
See above; there are various reasons why I don't use FL, even though it might have been a good idea from a purely fiscal standpoint to have switched before now, or to do so now instead of taking CW up on the current offer. Others may have other reasons, and of course there are doubtless many happy FL users who have their own reasons for feeling like they've made the right choice. Personally I'm very interested to see what CW have up their sleeves on June 1 - if as Andrew has said here, there are no plans to make substantial changes to the membership model per say, with separate updates for lifers versus monthly or yearly updaters, and they are going to continue building on Sonar as a complete, flagship, top tier DAW platform that can hold its own with any and all competition, then it's hard for me to see a reason to switch horses now just because they've made an offer that seems either a) too good to be true (according to most here), or b) not cheap enough and they should give us everything for free always (which someone always seems to feel the need to assert in these discussions)...
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Brando
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 07:04:42
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3) Plat is about $500 to start (i.e you bought one of the top of the line previous Sonar versions in that price range)
+ $150 upgrade to Plat + $100 renewal $100 lfetime
Thats $850 if you bought X3 Producer about 2 years ago. That is quite expensive, IMO. Seriously something to think about.
Platinum is pro level software, so the cost reflects that. I think most pros make enough over the course of a couple years to justify spending $35 a month (based on your figures) for their main tool. If not, there are lower-priced versions.
As to Logic Pro's $200 price tag, until Emagic was purchased by Apple (and subsidized by a company with $80 billion in cash reserves), IIRC Logic 5 was selling for $999  . That's much closer to the true value of the software.
And the details are still unclear to a degree. What are "core features?" I have a feeling quite a few will disagree over what features are core.
The CCC has a download for the "core" version and separate downloads for add-ons. The core download has what Cakewalk considers core features, so you can look to that for an indication of how things will be handled in the future.
To highlight Craig's point about Logic, Camel's Alchemy cost users hundreds of dollars with available sound sets. When Apple bought them out, they rolled it into Logic as a free add-in. Apple's motivation is to sell Mac's and they make their money there. Like crackerjacks prizes. The consumer cost of Logic has to be offset by the inflated cost of the dongle needed to run it on.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 07:29:19
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☄ Helpfulby e.Blue 2016/05/19 09:25:04
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“... we've got full Console 1 integration coming. And thats not even part of the announcement :)”
That is incredibly exciting, prochannel C1 plugins? New vst3 plugins?
693
No new plugins are required. You simply insert Console 1 as a plugin anywhere in a channel (track or bus) and you will have bi-directional control of that channel via Console 1. It essentially works similar to a control surface where Console 1 can now control volume/pan/mute etc. And you can switch track or bus focus from Console 1 or SONAR and it will sync up. You can also use Console 1 in the prochannel as an FXChain plugin and it works the same way.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 07:34:35
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☄ Helpfulby Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] 2016/05/19 08:22:31
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As usual I'm confused. I just spent $200 on my Platinum renewal in Feb. and now I have to pay another $200??
It seems that Cakewalk needs to generate a lump of cash on short notice. No emails here, just a sense of "WTF NOW". How will the rules change next month?
This takes me back to X1 and then X1 Producer and then X1 Producer plus. Just continuous change that feels like you guys just make it up as you go along. If you are going to change the rules just get on with it. Don't tease, don't release little bits of the big picture.
The last year has been great but I'm getting tired of Cakewalk showing up with their hands out asking if I've any change to spare.
Perhaps I'll get the memo one day and understand what everyone is so happy about. Right now, not so much.
This is exactly what I don't get. The amount of money it seems that had to be shelled out to get to this point seems awfully steep.
Logic - a full DAW that I think most would put on the Platinum scale in terms of the package = $200
Fruity Loops = lifetime updates for FREE
Curious what the announcement will be, but a bit surprised by those happy to shell out so much money with so little detail, and don't get me wrong, there isn't another DAW I'd prefer to use. But this lifetime updates announcement, the documentation looks like a Fruity Loops kind of model, but for a lot more money.
What I don't get is people reacting as though Cakewalk has a gun pointed at their heads saying "YOU MUST PAY THIS OR ELSE"
For a one-off fee we now have the CHOICE to receive lifetime membership & updates. How can this be anything other than a great deal for existing members?
If you think it's too much then your decision is simple - DON'T PAY IT!
And you have until August 31st to make your decision.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 07:41:29
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I have no e-mails and re-subscribed yesterday! I guess I don't need the e-mail because there's more info in this thread! Lol
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 07:42:40
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First off, many thanks to Andrew for the PM and details therein. 'Above and beyond' as others have mentioned, and very much appreciated
+1 My thanks also to Andrew for his tireless efforts. Done and Done!
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 07:46:53
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Okay, I'm signed up for life. May we live long and prosper.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 07:54:47
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2016/05/19 08:24:27
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The CCC has a download for the "core" version and separate downloads for add-ons. The core download has what Cakewalk considers core features, so you can look to that for an indication of how things will be handled in the future.
Correct that's one way of looking at it. Also any feature that is included as part of Artist, Professional and Platinum would be treated as core. Another data point is some features require us to pay royalties, some may be features that take a huge investment in time to develop, and others may be brand new innovations from Cakewalk rather than enhancements to the existing set of features. Those may not be treated as core. While Cakewalk reserves the right to determine what features will be offered in the core set, for practical purposes you can assume that the vast majority of new feature enhancements or integrated features WILL be part of your lifetime update purchase. As a working example, think of all the features that you got as part of the 2016 cycle. Had we the lifetime model then, off the top of my head right now I can't think of anything other than maybe drum replacer and maybe vocal sync that might not have been part of the core feature set. The rest would likely have been included for all. Any plugins or add on's of course will be subject to additional pricing. While we do have to continue to generate revenue to develop the software, any in-app add on's will typically be really affordably priced so its not like you will be paying hundreds of dollars for them. Besides features, the HUGE advantage of this plan is for those users who care more about fixes and optimizations will have these for life without paying a penny. This addresses the limitation of our prior model where some people felt that they were forced to renew membership even though they didn't particularly care about new features. We want our users to feel like they are part of an ever evolving platform and ecosystem that grows with them and addresses their needs.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:14:02
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Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong.
With the lifetime you'll get any core Software updates for free for life.
If you remain on the annual update, or monthly, you'll be get getting the
core updates and any additional "add ons"?
This would be a BIG determining factor for "which way to go" for me...
Thanx!
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:23:17
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cclarry
Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong.
With the lifetime you'll get any core Software updates for free for life.
If you remain on the annual update, or monthly, you'll be get getting the
core updates and any additional "add ons"?
This would be a BIG determining factor for "which way to go" for me...
Thanx!
That's my take on it Larry... Regards, Dan
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:34:20
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Oculus Rift for SONAR confirmed.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:40:07
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There are a number of issues with the core app that do not get addressed year after year after year.
Won't this new model cause there to be even less motivation to fix all the broken stuff?
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:43:25
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so if we already have Drum Replacer & go lifetime, do we get updates to Drum Replacer?
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:48:51
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2016/05/19 10:55:57
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There are a number of issues with the core app that do not get addressed year after year after year.
Won't this new model cause there to be even less motivation to fix all the broken stuff?
Not at all. If anything the way I see it if there are more users who go to the lifetime model, there will be a greater chance that that we can afford to put extra resources into usability issues. i.e. today most people upgrade for features rather than fixes.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:49:28
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☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2016/05/19 09:24:08
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so if we already have Drum Replacer & go lifetime, do we get updates to Drum Replacer?
Absolutely. If you have an existing feature you paid for it will be updated for life.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 08:55:38
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cclarry
Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong.
With the lifetime you'll get any core Software updates for free for life.
If you remain on the annual update, or monthly, you'll be get getting the
core updates and any additional "add ons"?
This would be a BIG determining factor for "which way to go" for me...
Thanx!
As I mentioned earlier any non core updates to the app itself will be very affordable and relatively less frequent. i.e if you are a platinum user you will most likely get the VAST majority of the updates free except for maybe any third party add on's like AD, TH3 etc that may require us to pay royalties. Its of course your choice if your main reason for updating is the add ons. As far as integrated features go you will likely get pretty much everything with the lifetime model.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 09:12:22
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This morning with coffee, I've read the last 3 pages, and have a clear sense of things. Thanks to the Cake team for all their posts here! This is overtime for you, all. We appreciate it.
...........and thanks to Bapu for the chopped liver crack! Coffee went up my nose.........perfect way to start the day, Ed! LMAO and even better news about the price.
Michael
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 09:42:32
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Hi to all,
Well, marketing has changed. Will be interesting to see the outcome. I have, professional, good until Oct. Not real sure what to do. Loose money and upgrade now. No real bargain for now. But what happens after June 1. I'm gonna think about this. Will this mean I am out after that. Might jump at 99.00, not sure about 199.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 09:56:56
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☄ Helpfulby Bristol_Jonesey 2016/05/19 10:14:28
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Hi to all,
Well, marketing has changed. Will be interesting to see the outcome. I have, professional, good until Oct. Not real sure what to do. Loose money and upgrade now. No real bargain for now. But what happens after June 1. I'm gonna think about this. Will this mean I am out after that. Might jump at 99.00, not sure about 199.
MJ
If I understand correctly, it only applies to Platinum (not Artist and Professional) members. And the offer is until August 31st. All the best.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:14:31
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gswitz
There are a number of issues with the core app that do not get addressed year after year after year.
Won't this new model cause there to be even less motivation to fix all the broken stuff?
My concern exactly. Only half in jest: What am I going to threaten the Bakers with in my rants if I take the Life option?
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:15:09
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FWIW 'Big News' is risky. 'Good News' is relative. 'You're gonna like this!' is encouraging.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:26:35
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gswitz
There are a number of issues with the core app that do not get addressed year after year after year.
Won't this new model cause there to be even less motivation to fix all the broken stuff?
My concern exactly.
Only half in jest:
What am I going to threaten the Bakers with in my rants if I take the Life option?
No, it's the opposite.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:37:37
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Once the funds from the initial life-model applicants dry up, where will the money come from to continue fixing the bugs?
Aren't we in danger of a kind of Ponzi scheme effect? More "investors" must be found to pay for those no longer contributing?
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:46:49
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Here's a question for the Bakers.
When does this new "Lifetime" membership start? If it starts when you pay, won't you be giving up some possible 'extras' in the monthly patches that you have already paid for with your 2016 membership? Or is that part of the 'price' for the Lifetime membership?
Thanks.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:48:18
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We've got Sonar Platypus....next it's Sonar Hippopotamus!
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:48:39
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On the fence about this. I signed up for a year of Professional hoping for upgrades in ACT, automation, color enhancements etc. I was hoping for better menu management as well. So far very little on those items. Human nature being what it is, it is hard to believe that anything will be MORE of a priority after the money has changed hands.
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Re: Huge announcements coming June 1st, 2016
2016/05/19 10:55:24
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Once the funds from the initial life-model applicants dry up, where will the money come from to continue fixing the bugs?
Aren't we in danger of a kind of Ponzi scheme effect? More "investors" must be found to pay for those no longer contributing?
I understand the idea, but it would seem they are still selling the Membership model also which includes both the Core updates and New features. The other piece that everyone seems to over looks is the idea they need to be looking at getting new customers. I keep mentioning Fruity Loops (since the model is somewhat similar), and while I don't use the program. From everything I've read suggests it is one of the top selling DAWs, above Cakewalk for sure. With proper marketing, I'd be shocked if they couldn't make the model work at an even lower price point. How many of your friends have bought Sonar in the past few years? I know I've "sold" a few on it myself. Offering the Lifetime update for a limited time is what is more concerning to me.
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