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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 19:58:32
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The announcement should have been "Prices going up May 1st - Update Now!"
Isn't that really what this is about? And what happened to the Platinum Only perks?
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 20:00:52
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Alex Westner [Cakewalk]
We also need to retrain everyone away from thinking about "annuals" or "memberships" - we don't really have a subscription model.
Fair enough. So the license agreement in the user guide will be getting an update too.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 20:32:56
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After banging the idea of membership into our heads for 2 years. 
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 21:15:44
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☄ Helpfulby Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] 2017/03/13 22:12:42
pwalpwal
how will this affect steam editions?
Not much, we've already been piloting similar flatter/simpler price system since December. We'll have a small FAQ and Blog post tomorrow morning. Pricing will be similar to direct, but in the 'Season Pass' model instead of the 'Membership" one.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 21:29:44
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Alex Westner [Cakewalk]
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Is there any possibility of ever bringing back "Lifetime updates" ?
I know a few friends that missed the offer and would like to take advantage of it.
I know some might not agree with it (because it was a special offer / limited time) but it would really help those users and also bring in more sales.
Possible, but not likely. We ran the offer for 6 months, which is quite a long time.
I understand. 6 months was very fair. no complaints here. Thank you for the reply.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 21:57:20
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Fuming to commence in 10.......9..........8..........7.........
Well so far, it's been pretty peaceful. I have 2 good friends that are going to be very unhappy, probably around 6pm CDT.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 23:17:24
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paulo
Fuming to commence in 10.......9..........8..........7.........
Well so far, it's been pretty peaceful. I have 2 good friends that are going to be very unhappy, probably around 6pm CDT.
About what? As said, not much is changing but there is a small warning here that if your still hanging on to an old version and for some crazy reason did't take the bait with lifetime updates and now don't pay attention and miss this last window, you'll have no grounds for grumbling after May 1st. They have made Sonar very affordable over these last few years. I would have never paid $500 for Any DAW. But piece by piece, from X1 LE to Plat they have me set for a long ride. It's software. It will work for another 5-10 years say, without any updates but I get those too, such a deal and I didn't even ask for one. X1LE free with Roland Keyboard. X3 Studio Upgrade from LE $99 Professional Upgrade from X3 studio Jan 2015 $129 ( say's original full price $209 can) Platinum Lifetime upgrade $ 229 Can.. Aug 2016 ( EDIT: I was wrong about this price I just looked it up.) Total $457 spread out over 4 years so wasn't painful. But those deals I got are now possibly never to be seen again. Not mentioned here is upgrading from Say X3 LE which I believe is what comes free with Tascam products now.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/13 23:28:05
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paulo
Fuming to commence in 10.......9..........8..........7.........
Well so far, it's been pretty peaceful. I have 2 good friends that are going to be very unhappy, probably around 6pm CDT.
About what?
As said, not much is changing but there is a small warning here that if your still hanging on to an old version and for some crazy reason did't take the bait with lifetime updates and now don't pay attention and miss this last window, you'll have no grounds for grumbling after May 1st.
They have made Sonar very affordable over these last few years. I would have never paid $500 for Any DAW. But piece by piece, from X1 LE to Plat they have me set for a long ride. It's software. It will work for another 5-10 years say, without any updates but I get those too, such a deal and I didn't even ask for one.
X1LE free with Roland Keyboard.
X3 Studio Upgrade $99
Professional Upgrade $129
Platinum Lifetime upgrade $ 149
Total $377 spread out over 4 years so wasn't painful.
But those deals I got are now possibly never to be seen again.
Not mentioned here is upgrading from Say X3 LE which I believe is what comes free with Tascam products now.
Wow, you didn't have another stage between Professional and Plat lifetime for $149? The upgrade from Pro to Plat should have been about $120 on one of the better sales alone. Then the upgrade from Producer to Plat lifetime should have been $170 or so.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 00:28:24
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declan
paulo
Fuming to commence in 10.......9..........8..........7.........
Well so far, it's been pretty peaceful. I have 2 good friends that are going to be very unhappy, probably around 6pm CDT.
About what?
As said, not much is changing but there is a small warning here that if your still hanging on to an old version and for some crazy reason did't take the bait with lifetime updates and now don't pay attention and miss this last window, you'll have no grounds for grumbling after May 1st.
They have made Sonar very affordable over these last few years. I would have never paid $500 for Any DAW. But piece by piece, from X1 LE to Plat they have me set for a long ride. It's software. It will work for another 5-10 years say, without any updates but I get those too, such a deal and I didn't even ask for one.
X1LE free with Roland Keyboard.
X3 Studio Upgrade $99
Professional Upgrade $129
Platinum Lifetime upgrade $ 149
Total $377 spread out over 4 years so wasn't painful.
But those deals I got are now possibly never to be seen again.
Not mentioned here is upgrading from Say X3 LE which I believe is what comes free with Tascam products now.
$377 seems pretty good from X1LE to full blown lifer. As for never, this industry is so competitive I don't believe in never.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 00:43:24
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lifetime updates for $99 was possibly one of the best deals in memory, plus the no ' thought required' to press the buy button was a bonus  and i had already switched to another daw at that time . . . to good a bargain to pass up 
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 00:49:23
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lifetime updates for $99 was possibly one of the best deals in memory, plus the no 'thought required' to press the buy button was a bonus and i had already switched to another daw at that time . . . to good a bargain to pass up
No kidding, even if they introduce "Sonar Iridium" this year or something that isn't eligible for the updates, you already got your money's worth. Given that you generally spend $100ish+/year on updates for something like a DAW, it was a great price.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 00:57:01
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 01:37:43
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Well, I'm very happy I managed to get the lifetime updates and literally in the last few moments before the offer expired. I didn't get to hear about it until the last moment and I can't really afford it with the expense of xmas etc. but I also couldn't afford not to! I do think that Cakewalk have been very good to their customers for running that for 6 months.
Software prices go up over time. That's normal, but now anyone can afford to buy Sonar by spreading the cost over a year and getting free updates while they do so. I think that's all very fair and reasonable.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 01:40:57
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Ironically, the only feature mentioned in the OP that didn't exist a year ago is lenses.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 01:58:37
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mettelus
Ironically, the only feature mentioned in the OP that didn't exist a year ago is lenses.
All the things mentioned were post X3 additions though (or at least what I quickly read through). With "Platinum" being the new sonar, and the ceasing of an upgrade path from pre-Platinum being the change the thread is really addressing, seems logical to me.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 03:42:29
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If you own SONAR, you own SONAR. You can buy 12 months of updates at any time for at least 50% off the regular price.
If your 12 months run out, you still own SONAR and you keep what you have. You can buy another 12 months at the 50%+ discount rate, or you can wait a while, enjoy what you have, and then buy another 12 months later on down the road, still at that 50%+ discount rate, because you are a SONAR Owner.
We have Sonar 7/8/X1/X2/X3 and Platinum from Feb 2105 that lapsed in Feb 2016 With the recent comping and tracking features we are considering upgrading again. However we don't see any options to upgrade for another 12 months for $249. The only option we can see in our store is the full $499 price. This seems to contradict your statement, highlighted in bold above
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 04:18:56
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To see your actual price, click the "Buy Now" button. I believe the price is $199 in the Cakewalk store. It is less at jrrshop with code group.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 04:33:52
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To see your actual price, click the "Buy Now" button. I believe the price is $199 in the Cakewalk store. It is less at jrrshop with code group.
Ok, I found the discount.. you actually have to click on the Pay $499.... bit silly One last question. Dimension Pro is listed as an £84 "Recommended product" even though I have selected the "Platinum" edition. Will we have to pay extra for Dimension Pro with the discounted "Platinum" upgrade ?
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 06:38:16
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/03/24 16:04:03
Hi, this is all well and good and all, but I'd like to say something about Alex using the words "...you own Sonar" as he did several times in his comments.
The term "own" is highly and controversially incorrect with reference to Sonar and all Cakewalk software, as the EULA will testify. If we actually do "own" Sonar then we should be free to sell, trade, or give it away, which, as much previous forum conversation and debate has drilled well into the consciousness of its users, is against the EULA.
We pay to have the right to "use", not "own" Sonar from its rightful "owner" Cakewalk Inc.
just sayin'
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 13:11:00
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Hi, this is all well and good and all, but I'd like to say something about Alex using the words "...you own Sonar" as he did several times in his comments.
The term "own" is highly and controversially incorrect with reference to Sonar and all Cakewalk software, as the EULA will testify. If we actually do "own" Sonar then we should be free to sell, trade, or give it away, which, as much previous forum conversation and debate has drilled well into the consciousness of its users, is against the EULA.
We pay to have the right to "use", not "own" Sonar from its rightful "owner" Cakewalk Inc.
just sayin'
I believe that means you own a license to use. The license is bound by the EULA.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 14:08:20
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jamescater
One last question. Dimension Pro is listed as an £84 "Recommended product" even though I have selected the "Platinum" edition.
Will we have to pay extra for Dimension Pro with the discounted "Platinum" upgrade ?
That sounds like a possible glitch in the store, unless you are actually seeing Rapture Pro. As far as I know, Dimension Pro is no longer being offered as a separate product, and is only included in the Platinum bundle. http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Dimension-Pro
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 14:42:37
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thanks seth (but how did you mark your own post helpful before i could?!  )
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 15:06:51
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IMHO, SONAR should follow a marketing strategy similiar to the one used for FL Studio:
1) Artist, Professional and Platinum should be sold exclusively with lifetime updates. Do you already own a version and want the better one? Simply pay the difference in price. No more problems/misunderstandings with the payment method.
2) In the lifetime updates should be included only the bug-fixes and the core enhancements while the future plugins (like the new L-Phase Series) should be sold separately: in this way Cakewalk could offset losses caused by the lifetime memberships.
3) Speaking about plugins already included: they're too many, expecially in Platinum. TTS-1, Cyclone, Dimension LE, Dimension Pro, DropZone, PSYN II, Rapture, Rapture LE, Rapture session, rgcAudio Square, Roland GrooveSynth, RXP, Lounge Lizard Session 4 and many more. Some of them I've never opened. IMHO, the only one that should be included is Rapture Session and the others sold separately, while the only third-party VSTs included could be Addictive Drums 2, Melodyne and TH3 (or Ozone 7 elements in partnership with Izotope): in this way Cakewalk could even reduce the price of SONAR.
4) The world is full of casual customers who only complain about the price or don't understand the membership method used by Cakewalk, just give a look at the SONAR discussions page on STEAM: with a slogan like "SONAR Platinum, only for 300$. Pay one time, keep it upgraded forever." sales would be guaranteed.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 15:13:28
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Just to be clear, the lifetime purchase I made last year remains in place for, well, life.
But I recall back when I bought it that I would have to choose and pay if I wanted to take any future 'mega' new feature additions, and I assume that situation is also unchanged, yes?
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 15:37:07
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To keep the pay model going I'm curious what is in the oven for new features, since the last 5 months have been pretty heavily focused on fixes and enhancements to existing sets. I'd imagine the non-lifers that are forking out the money every month will want some sizzle on the steak to keep going.
Not to thread-jack, but I am very happy that CW is focused more on bugfixes than ever-expanding features with new bugs of their own. Given the number of voices that were asking for more stability and more focus on bugfixing than new features, I would hope that others are happy too.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 17:23:45
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Seems clear. Simplified upgrade program. No more confusing upgrade paths. If you have a legacy product, there won't be a path come May. No discount, no welcome back for you, you'll need to pay full price (which says to me if you aren't current it's a good time to evaluate other DAWs too). Cakewalk converted their best customers to free "lifetime updates". I bet that was a popular program and good for some quick revenue. Anyone that missed out on that is now out of luck. Future Sonar revenue sources being new customer sales, subscriptions and add-ons. This should prove interesting. Makes me wonder what else is to come...
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 17:40:54
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Indeed, having new customers with no allegiance pay out almost double what loyal customers did will prove most interesting.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 18:02:03
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It's not if this was a secret post from Cakewalk about the "lifetime" updates. Most chose to ignore or not take it seriously? I knew from watching other DAWs, ownership was destined to be a thing of the past. Look at Microsoft, Adobe, ProTools and so...Subscription is the new model for better or worse. I being and old fart will never pay to rent....kinda of like going to a prostitute and when it's over, what do have?....... I took advantage of Cakewalk's generous offer hands down! My thinking is the Sonar has evolved so much that ever if Cakewalk does come with a new DAW, what are they going to offer? How to put your thoughts in a DAW? lol! As it stands now, there's enough content in Sonar Platinum now that even without and 3rd party vsts, you can easily make music! Case in point, I have a small studio and although I can use vst for drums, I go to a larger studio to cut drums and bass with reference vocal and guitar. Since most studios use ProTools(I don't know why, Cakewalk was the first DAW to go 64bit) they all save to .wav files and I come home, dump them into Sonar. With one click all the tracks are perfectly lined up and I'm ready to overdub on Sonar with all my 3rd party vsts...IK, Native Komplete Ultimate,Sample Tank,Slate and..... Sonar makes it so easy for me. I don't know why others haven't found out....Anyway I'm in New Jersey and today we have a blizzard, so far 18 inches with more to come
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 18:40:03
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Cakewalk converted their best customers to free "lifetime updates". I bet that was a popular program and good for some quick revenue.
In addition to the instant revenue, it was also a way to keep current owners loyal.
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Re: Cakewalk Announces Simpler SONAR Prices
2017/03/14 18:43:33
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DrumAlchemy
Cakewalk converted their best customers to free "lifetime updates". I bet that was a popular program and good for some quick revenue.
In addition to the instant revenue, it was also a way to keep current owners loyal.
Many of the loyal customers also use other DAWs, but they understand the real value in keeping Sonar around. 
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