Brandon, is there any changes to how automation of VST track effects works with the instrument track? Can we move and copy whole sections of them now? I'm dying to know this.

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Brandon, is there any changes to how automation of VST track effects works with the instrument track? Can we move and copy whole sections of them now? I'm dying to know this.

You can move and copy automation currently. Perhaps I'm not understanding the question?

I had and still have a feeling this won't be of any use to me... It seems that you have some of the MIDI and some of the Audio controls available and to see/access both, you must open seperate tracks anyway....

One fx bin... I guessing it's for audio fx as the vol/fade are? So this is definitely something aimed towards people who don't do use MIDI FX often? I guess most of us don't...

How do you control the MIDI,Vol/Pan? Does this require opening seperate views?

If you look at the screen you see that the track header is for MIDI. The inspector is audio. The meters seem to be only audio.

I clear .png would be much more lickable (yes, LICKable) than an artifacted .jpeg, but thank you very much for the screenshot.

I'm anxious of a video demo of this feature in the future--I'm sure Cakewalk will produce one when the dust of the launch settles :)

Brandon and Beagle,

What I'm saying is that if this new feature went all the way and gave full functionality to a single track then it would be a *no brainer* improvement.

But, at the present it seems as half assed as the step sequencer.

I'm acknowledging the fact that there seems to be a big crowd of folks that want more features that are somehow automatically set to their preference. If you are catering to users who seem to despise the fact that the features come with the responsibility of making choices then I'm suggesting that hiding some of the choices behind that "one step" is going to create and endless succession of frustrated utterances at this forum.

I can't understand why this new feature doesn't just sweep the old *cumbersome* method (which, personally, I never disliked) away and make a marked improvement that everyone (including myself, who didn't think there was anything wrong with the old way) would agree was sensible, efficient and elegant.

It seems like death by committee.

best regards,
mike


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can you still have it set up like older versions of Sonar ? With 1 midi and 1 audio ?

ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

Brandon and Beagle,

What I'm saying is that if this new feature went all the way and gave full functionality to a single track then it would be a *no brainer* improvement.

But, at the present it seems as half assed as the step sequencer.

I'm acknowledging the fact that there seems to be a big crowd of folks that want more features that are somehow automatically set to their preference. If you are catering to users who seem to despise the fact that the features come with the responsibility of making choices then I'm suggesting that hiding some of the choices behind that "one step" is going to create and endless succession of frustrated utterances at this forum.

I can't understand why this new feature doesn't just sweep the old *cumbersome* method (which, personally, I never disliked) away and make a marked improvement that everyone (including myself, who didn't think there was anything wrong with the old way) would agree was sensible, efficient and elegant.

It seems like death by committee.

best regards,
mike


edited to enhance clarity

I don't agree that it is half-assed at all.
Basically we took what features seemed most oft-used by a person using a single, non multi-timbral, non multi-out synth and put them on a single track. I think it will satisfy most people. If not then it's possible to go back to a multi-track view where more controls are displayed. We realized that this could easily turn into a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. To have put ALL possible controls on the track would have defeated the purpose IMO.

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ORIGINAL: Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]

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Brandon, is there any changes to how automation of VST track effects works with the instrument track? Can we move and copy whole sections of them now? I'm dying to know this.

You can move and copy automation currently. Perhaps I'm not understanding the question?

Maybe I'm just being stupid and have overlooked something fundamental, or maybe I just didn't explain clearly what I meant. Either way, if you can tell me how to move/copy whole sections of automations like this, you'll make my day, and quite possibly week and month:
http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~thorars/automation.png

Here's a setup I have in Sonar 7, where I have an automation for a filter cutoff painted in the instrument track, while I'm playing the melody from the MIDI track. Now I can move every individual automation node, and I can move the whole selection of nodes with the envelope tool. But can you tell me how to make a copy of that automation pattern to replicate it every 8 bars? Because I haven't for the life of me figured out how to do that, if it's possible.

Select the automation you want to move/copy/etc and then use the program (top) menu "Cut/Copy/Paste" options to do just that to the automation. If you've just tried right-clicking then that's why you haven't seen the options. (and yes for the record I believe it should be available in the right-click menu when using the automation tool )

Thank you for helping, but it still doesn't seem to do anything useful.

I've selected all nodes with the envelope tool
Chosen edit/copy from the drop-down menu
Made sure track/bus automation was checked and pressed ok
Moved the cursor to a new position, chosen edit/paste
Again, made sure track/bus automation was checked and pressed ok
And... nothing happens.

"I don't agree that it is half-assed at all.
Basically we took what features seemed most oft-used by a person using a single, non multi-timbral, non multi-out synth and put them on a single track. I think it will satisfy most people. If not then it's possible to go back to a multi-track view where more controls are displayed. We realized that this could easily turn into a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. To have put ALL possible controls on the track would have defeated the purpose IMO."

It's refreshing to think you are committed to this strategy.

very best regards,
mike

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"I don't agree that it is half-assed at all.
Basically we took what features seemed most oft-used by a person using a single, non multi-timbral, non multi-out synth and put them on a single track. I think it will satisfy most people. If not then it's possible to go back to a multi-track view where more controls are displayed. We realized that this could easily turn into a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. To have put ALL possible controls on the track would have defeated the purpose IMO."

It's refreshing to think you are committed to this strategy.

very best regards,
mike

I'm glad?...I think.

I meant it in a good way! :-)

I hope we can enjoy healthy disagreement!

best regards,
mike

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I meant it in a good way! :-)

I hope we can enjoy healthy disagreement!

best regards,
mike

I agree wholeheartedly.

That's all fine and dandy but is there any facility now to send the same midi data to 2 seperate soft synths or to a soft synth and a hardware synth to create huge layered sounds or is cloning the midi track and reassigning the clone still the only way?

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That's all fine and dandy but is there any facility now to send the same midi data to 2 seperate soft synths or to a soft synth and a hardware synth to create huge layered sounds or is cloning the midi track and reassigning the clone still the only way?

Cloning and re-assigning is is still the only way. Or the layered part can just be recorded all at once of course.

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That's all fine and dandy but is there any facility now to send the same midi data to 2 seperate soft synths or to a soft synth and a hardware synth to create huge layered sounds or is cloning the midi track and reassigning the clone still the only way?

Cloning and re-assigning is is still the only way. Or the layered part can just be recorded all at once of course.

BOO!

I and others have been asking for this for a couple of years now. Are we being ignored?
Is it so hard to implement? - stick a 'MIDI send' on the midi track?