It works for me except some times it pastes the envelope into the wrong track. For instance, I just did a test with a pan envelope, ...

ORIGINAL: athacker

ORIGINAL: Logicology

In this post, Sonar 8 - The fine print, Noel says, "MIDI track and clip envelopes are not available" when using Instrument Tracks.

Is that, ehh... negotiable? :)

Yes, as a Cubase user I am currently considering moving to Sonar specifically for the in-track envelopes. The instrument track is probably the last piece of the jigsaw for me in making the transition, as this is the main type of track I use .... but it is a bit disappointing to hear that instrument tracks wont display midi envelopes. I too tweak CC11 a lot for orchestral performances.

Clarification on this point would be greatly appreciated.

ORIGINAL: John

You can't edit any MIDI controller data in an instrument track as an instrument track.

ORIGINAL: John

I wonder if you, can by the looks of the instrument track it looks like the PRV is still there and if your MIDI controller data is in the PRV I'll bet you could edit it in the instrument track via PRV.

Just a spectulation

I thought so too until Noel say it couldn't.

I may use them but in most cases I don't see them as being that useful for me not that I am bashing them I am not . What I do like is the thoughtfulness CW put into this.

ORIGINAL: Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk]

Hey guys,

After reading the last few posts here about MIDI envelopes being displayed on Instrument Tracks I decided to do a couple of small tests.

In the first test I loaded TTS-1 into an Instrument Track. Then I created another MIDI track. On the MIDI track I created a MIDI Volume envelope and drew in some random shapes. Then I copied the automation data and pasted it into the Instrument Track. As expected the data was not visible on the Instrument track. Next I split the Instrument Track into separate audio and MIDI tracks and when I did the MIDI Volume envelope appeared on the newly created MIDI track.

In the second test I created an instance of TTS-1 on an Instrument Track and immediately split it into separate audio and MIDI tracks. I then Write Enabled automation on the MIDI track, played back SONAR, and wiggled the MIDI track's Volume widget about to create Volume automation. As expected the resultant MIDI envelope appeared on the MIDI track. I then combined the Audio and MIDI tracks back into an Instrument track. Although the MIDI envelope was now not visible, when I played back SONAR the Volume slider on TTS-1 moved as it should have as it was being controlled by the "hidden" automation data in the Instrument Track.

So, the end result is that MIDI envelopes cannot be displayed or edited on Instrument Tracks but they can live therein and they will send the written data to the appropriate controller. When split into seperate Audio and MIDI tracks they will become editable and they can then be tucked away by recombining Audio and MIDI tracks back into an Instrument track.

Think of it as a way to keep things neet and tidy in the Track View

ORIGINAL: John

But you should know we are grateful for the way CW has done this. It is an important thing to many of us that we are not forced to use only instrument tracks or loose any real functionally.