Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effort

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/02 23:33:06 (permalink)
Thanks for taking the time to do this, add James Collins.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 00:47:47 (permalink)
Definitely add me.  This is a very well thought out list.  Exactly on the money for the improvements that I think would move Sonar the direction it needs to go.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 01:06:19 (permalink)
Add me to the List..

I have always wanted the ability to create one short midi clip and then freeze or export it without creating a bunch of new tracks.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 01:17:05 (permalink)
synth rack is for synthesists

how about a ampsim rack for guitarists and it can run in multiple instances and enable you to switch from one sim to another. Guitarists use foot controllers so it should work well with the top  most popular foot controllers and a template that enables your foot controller to operate the transport being one idea how about another template that allows you to switch between presets of diferent programmable snaphots scenes whatever you want to call them so that you can enable complex scenes were volumes and eq's can change on the fly so we musicians can enjoy a more creative environment. Also lets put more things in sonar for live use. I record as live as possible for a reason to be able to then take the music and perform it live as close to what is recorded and I bet most guitartists think this way as well.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 01:53:04 (permalink)
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Ability to 'Rename' a project and its containing folder simultaneously

+1. And update the recent-files list in the registry.


Why in the world hasn't this been done yet? PLEASE! As my projects evolve I almost always want to rename.

Add me to the list. Although I would think the bakers have the roadmap to 9.0 pretty well set, which will take us to Oct 2010. So with their development cycle I wouldn't anticipate seeing any of this stuff until 2011 (unless it's already in the plan for 9.0). That's a pretty big ship to be turning mid-stream.

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+1 here too  RENAME RENAME RENAME

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 03:05:12 (permalink)
Hello,

You can add my name to the list of course. I know not all features can be included in 1 upgrade, but I still would like to add (as was menntioned in the other thread).

- Track inspector giving more info (especially on midi tracks). The empty space could easily contain more elements that are now in the track header only. Make at least in and outputs selectable in the track inspector!!

- View all data of another project from within a project and import any element of it in the current project. Like tracks with or without midi/ wave data/ automation, softsynts connected etc...No more track templates to save...everything is a template...
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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 05:12:00 (permalink)
hugojacquet >> - Track inspector giving more info (especially on midi tracks). The empty space could easily contain more elements that are now in the track header only. Make at least in and outputs selectable in the track inspector!!

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 05:28:30 (permalink)
I vote for this thread. I'm in.
It would be nice if requests for features could have some details in it so other readers and cakewalk can easier grasp why you ask. And with examples added this thread could have some value in the future for newcomers as a learningcurve.


I love some screen wich would combine the pianoroll & the chosen drummachine for advanced beatmaking efforts. So my process of;

Make a beat
Create a bassline
Play additional instruments

Use some segments and devide the project so different tempo's can be created/used

SING/Add vocals

Is a nice workflow. The beatmakingprocess for me is something I'd like to do now in severall steps in order to ...... humanize the beats created.... I'd like to do that myself as I like strange beats and not have my mind set on what it should sound like so the humanize part available in Sonar does not suit me (disturbs creative flow).

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 06:28:50 (permalink)
Good initiative. Well done fellas.
 
I'd like all aspects of 'management' (items 2, 4 and 5 on your list) to be controlable from a work-surface rather than mouse/screen/keybd. This should just require a significant extenion of ACT.
 
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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 08:42:04 (permalink)
Thank you again for your support! Just added the following names:

Scott Lavelle
Steven (SilkTone)
Stephen McNamara (aka Steve Mac)
James Collins
Dave (Dizzi45Z)
Stevie326
Hugo (hugojacquet)
Muziekschuur at home

Please let me know if I missed someone.

Best, James
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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 08:52:57 (permalink)
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My suggestion would be to have floating windows that are alt/tab abled
For the record for those that might not know this, you can switch between windows within an application by using CTRL-TAB. (ALT-TAB switches between applications). This applies to most if not all Windows applications. Not just Sonar.
where you could select say tracks 1-20 as a view and then have 21- 35 as a view etc.
I believe having nested folders would already aid project navigation and organisation significantly. Maybe not enough for your needs... I don't know.
like you're looking at track 70 and you hit f to bring the whole project into focus (whatever will fit) it defaults to the top track?? huh? I was looking at 70.
I think this is a significant point. I would like the devs at Cakewalk to consider this type of case when adding/enhancing features. Not just think "Hitting the key should bring the whole project into view. Now it does. Mission accomplished" but rather think something like "OK, what was the user likely to have been doing? What do they want to achieve? How will they be using this feature? What will they have been focusing on and what are they likely to want to be focusing on after the command is applied? Is this really the most complete and efficient implementation of the Zoom Out command?" and when in doubt, make different behaviours user configurable.

The same goes for modal windows. The example often cited is the Snap to Grid window. For me an ideal workflow would be something like: You press a keyboard shortcut, the window opens. The Snap To Grid value is already selected. I can either directly type in the time division I want or press the up down arrows on my keyboard to use any of the standard values, hitting TAB once would bring me to the "Move To" / "Move By" selector. Then press the same keyboard shortcut to close the window. Then I can return to doing whatever I was doing before. This would save a lot of time over the course of an entire project.

It is all about how people are most likely to use a feature and how to make it as efficient and quick as possible. Just implementing a feature is only half the job IMO. Going the extra 10% makes the feature 2 to 4 times more efficient and powerful.

For obvious reasons, we could not go into such detail for every feature we included in the list. It would make the list at least a dozen pages long. (Often it takes many more words to explain something that becomes perfectly evident once implemented).I (and I believe we) would like to urge Cakewalk to think of speed, efficiency and flexibility when considering any and all of the features we presented and of course for all and any features they come up with themselves. The name of the game is workflow.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 08:58:32 (permalink)
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However, as I said earlier, we will include a link to this forum in the letter that will be sent to Cakewalk.  This way they'll be able to see what has been suggested so far.  We just didn't want to go too overboard with it, and remain focused on workflow (which is still a broad theme).  Hope you understand :-)
   
I would like to add that in the end, only Cakewalk know what is and isn't feasible. They have to decide which feature requests gets included in the coming new versions and updates. All we can do is present ideas and urge them to focus on workflow.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 08:59:10 (permalink)
UnderTow

... I would like the devs at Cakewalk to consider this type of case when adding/enhancing features ... think something like "OK, what was the user likely to have been doing? What do they want to achieve? How will they be using this feature? What will they have been focusing on and what are they likely to want to be focusing on after the command is applied? Is this really the most complete and efficient implementation of the ... command?" and when in doubt, make different behaviours user configurable....

... It is all about how people are most likely to use a feature and how to make it as efficient and quick as possible. Just implementing a feature is only half the job IMO. Going the extra 10% makes the feature 2 to 4 times more efficient and powerful.

... The name of the game is workflow.

Well said, sir!


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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:09:41 (permalink)
James - please add me to the list - sorry if I wasn't clear. Thx & great job!

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:14:48 (permalink)
UnderTow >> The same goes for modal windows. The example often cited is the Snap to Grid window. For me an ideal workflow would be something like: You press a keyboard shortcut, the window opens. The Snap To Grid value is already selected. I can either directly type in the time division I want or press the up down arrows on my keyboard to use any of the standard values, hitting TAB once would bring me to the "Move To" / "Move By" selector. Then press the same keyboard shortcut to close the window. Then I can return to doing whatever I was doing before. This would save a lot of time over the course of an entire project.

And to have the current Snap-To attributes visible ALL the time somewhere, both for Clips and PRV ... not the whole window, but just the main attributes set, like Absolute or Musical Time, Values, Move By or Move To, Strength and Snap-to-Zero setting, would be very helpful.
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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:16:10 (permalink)
It is a great list. I fully support this effort!

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:22:29 (permalink)
Can't believe I missed this thread.

Excellent idea, add me as well please.


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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:29:32 (permalink)
fwrend


James - please add me to the list - sorry if I wasn't clear. Thx & great job!

Wren (fwrend)


Done! Thank you! I didn't want to presume to add any names unless it was explicitly stated. I might have missed some, though! Please let me know! I've been blown away by the positive reaction. Some people have been emailing and PMing support behind the scenes as well, which I greatly appreciate. But just to be clear, unless someone says something specific like "Put my name on the letter," or at least an explicit "I'm in," I want to be careful to respect your intentions.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:34:48 (permalink)
Bristol_Jonesey

Excellent idea, add me as well please.

Colin Jones (THE CJ!), or just Bristol_Jonesey.

Done, thank you, sir!
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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:37:27 (permalink)
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It is a great list. I fully support this effort!

Thank you for the support! Just to be certain: Does "I fully support this effort!" mean, "I fully support this effort, please carry on and may The Force Be With You!" -- or -- does it mean, "I fully support this effort, sign my name to that letter, man!" ;)

Best, James

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 09:55:53 (permalink)
UnderTow

The same goes for modal windows. The example often cited is the Snap to Grid window. For me an ideal workflow would be something like: You press a keyboard shortcut, the window opens. The Snap To Grid value is already selected. I can either directly type in the time division I want or press the up down arrows on my keyboard to use any of the standard values, hitting TAB once would bring me to the "Move To" / "Move By" selector. Then press the same keyboard shortcut to close the window. Then I can return to doing whatever I was doing before. This would save a lot of time over the course of an entire project.

It is all about how people are most likely to use a feature and how to make it as efficient and quick as possible. Just implementing a feature is only half the job IMO. Going the extra 10% makes the feature 2 to 4 times more efficient and powerful.

For obvious reasons, we could not go into such detail for every feature we included in the list. It would make the list at least a dozen pages long. (Often it takes many more words to explain something that becomes perfectly evident once implemented).I (and I believe we) would like to urge Cakewalk to think of speed, efficiency and flexibility when considering any and all of the features we presented and of course for all and any features they come up with themselves. The name of the game is workflow.

UnderTow


good points. Speaking of snap to grid, is it just me or did the bakers take away the ability to close the snap to grid window with 'enter' or 'esc' ? Now, you have to mouse the little 'X'.

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 11:12:30 (permalink)
Tim,

good points. Speaking of snap to grid, is it just me or did the bakers take away the ability to close the snap to grid window with 'enter' or 'esc' ? Now, you have to mouse the little 'X'.


IMO it doesnt make sense to use esc to close a modal window. How would the program know that the esc is meant for the snap to grid dialog and not something else you are busy with? It's quite possible that the window wouldn't have focus at some points. It was mentioned earlier that the same keystroke to invoke the dialog could close it? That could work? Also modal dialogs should have a close button on them for mouse interaction because I don't like the little X either. Big buttons are easy and quick to acquire. Bit OT here. sorry.


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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 12:36:59 (permalink)
eratu ... you missed me out (wah)

please add kevin rossiter (kevvvvv) to the list

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 12:42:48 (permalink)
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eratu ... you missed me out (wah)

please add kevin rossiter (kevvvvv) to the list


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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 12:47:41 (permalink)
"I fully support this effort, sign my name to that letter, man!"
eratu



rainmaker1011


It is a great list. I fully support this effort!

Thank you for the support! Just to be certain: Does "I fully support this effort!" mean, "I fully support this effort, please carry on and may The Force Be With You!" -- or -- does it mean, "I fully support this effort, sign my name to that letter, man!" ;)

Best, James

:) of course it means: I fully support this effort, sign my name to that letter, man!



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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 13:08:23 (permalink)
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:) of course it means: I fully support this effort, sign my name to that letter, man!
Done! And thanks again for your support! :)


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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 13:17:43 (permalink)
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Tim,


good points. Speaking of snap to grid, is it just me or did the bakers take away the ability to close the snap to grid window with 'enter' or 'esc' ? Now, you have to mouse the little 'X'.


IMO it doesnt make sense to use esc to close a modal window. How would the program know that the esc is meant for the snap to grid dialog and not something else you are busy with? It's quite possible that the window wouldn't have focus at some points. It was mentioned earlier that the same keystroke to invoke the dialog could close it? That could work? Also modal dialogs should have a close button on them for mouse interaction because I don't like the little X either. Big buttons are easy and quick to acquire. Bit OT here. sorry.


On the subject of Snap to Grid, I recently upgraded from Sonar 4 to 8.51, and it seems a very useful feature has been changed in the snap properties.  In version 4 I could set my Snap to Grid value to be a musical interval, (Whole, Half, etc.) and also have Snap to Zero crossings selected.  If I turned off Snap to Grid, Snap to Zero crossings would remain in effect, which was VERY useful for audio clip editing.  Now I have to futz with the Snap properties dialog every time I want to edit audio, and also when I'm done editing.  I would very much like there to be an option for it to work the way it did before.

Also, I believe the term for the Snap to Grid properties dialog is modeless, not modal.  A modal dialog is one which takes over input from the app until dismissed.  (Sorry, I get a bit anal about terms.)

Please add me the list of letter signees.

Terry Lawhon

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 13:18:42 (permalink)
Hi, I have been lurking for a while, been using Sonar er Cakewalk since Cakewalk Pro Audio 3.0!

Anyways, my suggestion would be to add a draw tempo by clicking feature, similar to what NOTION has. Right now we can only select a tempo by clicking in the beat, but it would be great to record a tempo in real time by also clicking a beat, like conducting.

Thanks.
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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 13:30:25 (permalink)
Count me in.... Andy Wiest(AndyW).

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Re:Calling All Interested Sonar Users - Top 10 Workflow Feature Request List - Group Effor 2009/12/03 13:33:26 (permalink)
Sign me on!

Like many long time users, I have enough plugins. Significant workflow enhancements are what I really want.

And this too:
-- Option for Mousewheel zoom without using modifier keys. --

It would be very ergonomic to be able to zoom with the mouse wheel only, rather than needing to hold ctrl-alt.

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