gt2004
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Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
I Currently have the KRK Rokit PR5 and i want to get something better. Budget is $500 and i have been looking at this but not sure if it any good Behringer Truth B3031. I don't know much about monitors so any help would be nice
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 13:37:02
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Yamaha HS80M
By far best bang for the bucks IMHO.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 13:40:45
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In your price range, +1 on the yamaha's. Or save twice the money and get Adam A7's or A7X's. I can vouch for these.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 13:59:04
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jimknopf
Yamaha HS80M
By far best bang for the bucks IMHO.
Customer Review:
"Flat, yes. But very thin and dull. I would tend to "overmix" everything, add too much bass/treble and too much reverb to make up for how dull these are. I had heard a lot about these monitors and expected more. I'm sure you could work with them just fine once you get used to them, but there's definitely a lot better out there. The salesman told me that a few people actually bought them on reputation alone, but returned them when they actually used them."
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 14:03:58
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If $500 is your budget then the HS80 is out.
The B3031A is probably the best value for that price.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 14:25:01
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jimknopf
Yamaha HS80M
By far best bang for the bucks IMHO.
Customer Review:
"Flat, yes. But very thin and dull. I would tend to "overmix" everything, add too much bass/treble and too much reverb to make up for how dull these are. I had heard a lot about these monitors and expected more. I'm sure you could work with them just fine once you get used to them, but there's definitely a lot better out there. The salesman told me that a few people actually bought them on reputation alone, but returned them when they actually used them."
The HS80M have become a kind of standard in that price range for very good reasons. I know dozens of skillful persons agreeing on that, and not by reputation, but by own judgement. From the customer comment above my impression is that this customer is used to speakers with unrealistic bass and treble response. I use these monitors a lot and get excellent mixing results without ANY tendency to overmix. So calling the HS80 "thin and dull" is a judgement which looks quite "thin and dull" itself to me. You only find better studio monitors in a price range about double as high (Adam, Genelec, Mackie), but not in the same price range.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 14:29:39
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I would get these: http://www.zzounds.com/item--WHADP82A I have them. they are VERY loud and flat with 150hz bass cutoff. I dont recommend 5" or 8" cones for studio speakers. Can throw off your mix. The real truth about studio speakers is that they are over rated and I could mix on any of them. What you really, really want with studio speakers are those that will cause you not to 'over mix'. The facts are, 99% of listeners will be using cheap speakers that spike on the treble and high end. The car carbin actually has a loud bass gain and sound can get muddy in there. 6.5" is the ideal size for general use. Not too big not too small. (btw this isn't me making this up, this is through very deep research into this topic). Some speakers like the Yamaha's simply lack character. Any character. This can cause you to overmix and your final product to come out poorly. Most people are going to defend their purchase of course (Sonar X1 as an example). Yamaha's are a prime example of what to stay away from. I think my studio setup is the best. I have 2 of the above. (which I carefully researched and bought on purpose not just because they were cheap). These are cut at 150hz. I have 2 10", tower JVC 'home speakers' under them. These I have the volume turned down and treble turned down completed. This is 'mid bass filler. Then I have a powered sub woofer below for the deep bass. I am in a large basement and the filler really helps. There's no way to dinky bookshelf speakers are going to allow me to mix properly. No wonder peoples mixes come out so bad or they have to spend for ever getting it 'right'. The powered 10" home theater sub lets me know when I have too much bass going on. It's like an alarm actually. I put my setup against any home setup here on the forums. Any day of the week. I get my mastering done in a few minutes and sounds great on my little cheap speakers and in the car. I test my mix on 4 sources - car, home theater, and 2 small bookshelf systems around the house. After I added the subwoofer and 'home speakers' to control the mud, the sound now comes out perfect each time on first try. Moral of the story is, don't believe the hype. Your audience is listening on cheap speakers so you need to cator to them. Dead sounding speakers will actually ruin your mix. Money is WAY better spent on blemished speakers and then 'filler' sub woofers.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 14:41:56
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HS 80s are good buys. Better yet are the Yama MSP7s. Flatter and they aren't that much more expensive. Unfortunately, both are above your price range. The MSP 5s are in the $500 range (I've seen them for $400), and I've used them in pro studios as close range monitors next to big Genlecs. Not a lot of bass but flat. Definately worth a listen/look, esp. if you have something bigger to check the bass. If you can save up for the 7s, you won't have that problem.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 14:43:36
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Crush:
I think my studio setup is the best. Oh yes, you got the golden formula there, which sound engineers worldwide have been missing so far for uncertain reasons.  You even found the 'ideal size' of 6,5'', because 8'' is 'too big'. LOL I refrain from commenting your whole post. No intent to hurt you. But I advise you to read a good basic book on mixing before you advise others.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 15:00:01
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Real sound engineers have a powered subs, and midbass which are measured by tools to be perfect. They also know exactly where to compensate for cheap speaker spikes. We're talking about a HOME environment where spending a fortune, on essentially bookshelf speakers will not allow to mix correctly no matter much money you throw at them. I feel bad when people spend these amounts of money on essentially bookshelf speakers in a home environment. That is just being a 'gear junkie' at that point and wasting money in my opinion of course. You'd be WAY better off putting that money on a new mic pre-amp or new mixer or something. So yes, I put my home setup against anyone elses and would bet my final mix comes out fastest with 'frist try' results. I'd put money on that easily. It's Friday today.. if the men out here want to spend money on gear then go here and treat yourself and do something actually useful for your setup.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 15:03:58
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maha HS80M By far best bang for the bucks IMHO. jimknopf
Yamaha HS80M
By far best bang for the bucks IMHO.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 15:05:11
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Crush
I put my setup against any home setup here on the forums. Any day of the week.
LOL. You clearly have no clue what some people have as a home setup... As for budget monitors, Yamaha have always been some of the best bang for the buck. Part because of smart engineering and part economies of scale. They make so much of them that the prices drop to the next category down compared to the competition. UnderTow
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 15:08:42
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They might be a little bit more, but I've been mixing on my Mackie HR824's for years, and love them.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 15:09:53
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"I think my studio setup is the best." -Crush Warfedale should consider using that endorsement. Have to give them a listen to, if the opportunity arises.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 17:37:02
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gt2004 i read your post and you did say active .. but..
are these for tracking or mixing..if there for tracking..
ebay yamaha ns10,s and dynaco stereo 120 amp.killer
tracking package and evey pro studio has ns 10's...to this
day... if its for mixing i still use vintage JBL's..
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 18:30:19
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I don't know what monitors to recommend, that's a personal choice you'll have to listen and decide for yourself.
No matter what you buy, you'll have to get used to them.
I'm inclined to guess that Behringer monitors may not be a good choice.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 18:55:34
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for one of my Mastering rigs, I use some full range Yam. cabs for mid to highs. they have a 15" and two horns w/ onboard x-ovr.
for the subs I bounce between face mount 18" black widows or the Audio Centron 18" long throws.
Yeah its a little overkill, but thats why you have more than one rig.
my best advice when looking for mons. is to take a cd with you and jam it all the way to the store so you can kidna get a zero on your ears.
then play that same cd on each of the speakers your are looking at and compare them to how you think it "should" sound.
you want them to be as clear and clean as you can afford with no hum.
you will have to learn your speakers no matter what and learn thier strength and weakness. (another reason to have more than one set up)
if it sounds just as good on a walkman as it does in a club. your done. dont touch it.. heh
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 19:42:23
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i would imagine that your current KRKs are as good as anything in your budget, so spend the $500 on some serious headphones and a nice meal for the significant other...
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 19:50:41
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mgh , you all loved up ? hehe but the KRK's are decent enough.. just low end they go to what 50hz? I have hr824's mk 1's like another poster.. and yer they left a dent in the wallet for a long time , BUT I was almost gonna get 624's but the difference is big. I do my arranging on cheaper speakers to ensure the 824's don't get over used / damaged (not something I can replace easily) . I'd keep the krk's and save up a while.. and use them more as near fields. have 2+ sets of speakers is handy for reference.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 20:12:29
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Hello GT: I would advise you, before you spend a dime, to take some of your favorite music - stuff you know really well - to a shop and listen to different monitors (and loud). I don't know what you need. Monitors are a very personal piece of gear and are as unique as your ears. I don't know how good your ears are based on you age, type of music you write, etc. But, I bet you can tell a bad sound from a good sound - and clarity from muddiness. I've had numerous monitors over the years - all near-field. My present set of Opals were a long time coming but worth it to me. But, they may be the wrong ones (negate cost) for you. Listen, decide, and then listen again on another day. Good monitors are not cheap, and they depreciate as soon as you walk out the door. Good Luck and good mixing with your selection.
post edited by Katie_Katie - 2011/02/04 20:40:52
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 20:26:54
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"I have hr824's mk 1's like another poster.. and yer they left a dent in the wallet for a long time , BUT I was almost gonna get 624's but the difference is big.
I do my arranging on cheaper speakers to ensure the 824's don't get over used / damaged (not something I can replace easily)"
LOL, I can't afford to replace mine either but I use them when I play video games too, probably a bad habbit, but they sound so nice.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 20:36:45
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I agree, I like mine also.
I went in like another poster said with my favorite 3 cd's and had the sales guy setup the Mackie HR824's and the MAudios along with a JBL model in the same price range. I liked the MAudio's much better and they were like $100 or more cheaper. I have had them for a good 3 years now and never regretted the purchase.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 21:32:11
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Kroneborge
LOL, I can't afford to replace mine either but I use them when I play video games too, probably a bad habbit, but they sound so nice.
SERIOUSLY.. get yaself some logitech's or something for that. they are THX certified , and some loaded people use them for 5.1 etc.. I have used all sorts of speakers over the years, and you do adjust to speakers.. although I was warned getting 6" cones, the sound might be bass heavy.. esp. with 1 certain brand that isn't mackie. I do think regardless you have to go into the shop and demo them.. or go a friends studio
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 21:54:40
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Kroneborge
They might be a little bit more, but I've been mixing on my Mackie HR824's for years, and love them.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 21:55:45
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Crush
Real sound engineers have a powered subs, and midbass which are measured by tools to be perfect. They also know exactly where to compensate for cheap speaker spikes.
We're talking about a HOME environment where spending a fortune, on essentially bookshelf speakers will not allow to mix correctly no matter much money you throw at them. I feel bad when people spend these amounts of money on essentially bookshelf speakers in a home environment. That is just being a 'gear junkie' at that point and wasting money in my opinion of course. You'd be WAY better off putting that money on a new mic pre-amp or new mixer or something.
So yes, I put my home setup against anyone elses and would bet my final mix comes out fastest with 'frist try' results.
I'd put money on that easily.
It's Friday today.. if the men out here want to spend money on gear then go here and treat yourself and do something actually useful for your setup.
Yes, your video showed us all your immense knowledge about DAWS and recording. You are friggin' riot pal.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 21:59:39
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gt2004
I Currently have the KRK Rokit PR5 and i want to get something better. Budget is $500 and i have been looking at this but not sure if it any good Behringer Truth B3031. I don't know much about monitors so any help would be nice
Thanks
I bought some B Stock (factory refurbed HR624MKII's for $600 shipped. They are fabulous.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 22:06:24
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HS-80m's here. Wouldn't trade them for the world.
I listened to a lot of different monitors doing a-b comparison and these by far had the most natural sound on pro mixes (store bought CD's), which is what we're all striving for.
Your room acoustics will effect the sound of a speaker a lot. If the room isn't right then you'll find yourself compensating for things that you hear and don't hear on any monitor.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 22:13:24
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... if the men out here want to spend money on gear then go here and treat yourself and do something actually useful for your setup.
I have that exact sub hooked up in my living room for my surround system. It's a fantastic sub for the price. I've been wanting to hook it up in my music room but don't want to screw with all the wires. Also, I'd love to get the HS10W matching sub for my HS-80m's but it's way too expensive. What's funny is, the Sony $99 sub has a better frequency response.
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Re:Can you guys recommend me Active studio monitors
2011/02/04 23:11:12
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Hello GT:
I would advise you, before you spend a dime, to take some of your favorite music - stuff you know really well - to a shop and listen to different monitors (and loud).
I don't know what you need. Monitors are a very personal piece of gear and are as unique as your ears. I don't know how good your ears are based on you age, type of music you write, etc. But, I bet you can tell a bad sound from a good sound - and clarity from muddiness.
I've had numerous monitors over the years - all near-field. My present set of Opals were a long time coming but worth it to me. But, they may be the wrong ones (negate cost) for you.
Listen, decide, and then listen again on another day. Good monitors are not cheap, and they depreciate as soon as you walk out the door.
Good Luck and good mixing with your selection.
This is the post the OP should read. Great post Katie.
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