danbottomburp
The metronome in studio one 3 is garbage, the sounds it makes is worse than I could program on my old commodore 64.
Im really liking the actual Daw and the work flow but the metronome sounds are really really really poor. 

danbottomburp
The metronome in studio one 3 is garbage, the sounds it makes is worse than I could program on my old commodore 64.
Im really liking the actual Daw and the work flow but the metronome sounds are really really really poor. 

dubdisciple
This ended up being a very informative thread

Jarsve
I bought S1 the Monday after Gibson Killed Cakewalk.
But I am on Cubase now.
I dont want to be on a minor DAW anymore, with all the insecurity about it.
Now I want to stay on the standard.
Now even my Native Instuments Komplete S61 works as it should.
I still have the S1 and might play with it sometimes tho.

CTStump

 Got to hand it to Jeff for his unending patience through out this adventure.

I'm not in any way trying to write that the OP is not legit in his distaste for Studio One or his need for what he thinks IS a better and more mature solution because there is no more established and mature DAW than Cubase.

Let's just face it.....some people hate(or dislike if that is a better word) Studio One.....for whatever reason they want.

Sylvan
Hey guys, you aren't going to believe this, but I found a way to make Test 3 null!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe it. Yes, you heard correctly. I was able to get SONAR and Studio One to null on the test 3 with the kick at 0, snare at -8, and overheads at -13.
 
Here is how I did it...
 
1. As suggested by azslow3, I manually typed in the values in both SONAR and Studio One.
 
2. I changed the Pan Law in SONAR to match the Pan Law in Studio One. (Apparently using the plugin to change the Pan Law in Studio One doesn't work.) That begs the question: Is there a real way to change the Pan Law in Studio One? I would like to test changing the Pan Law in Studio One to match that of SONAR to confirm that a null will work that way too. Can someone suggest a reliable way to change the Pan Law in Studio One that actually works?
 
3. Removed all dithering from both DAWs (I am not sure that this would have really mattered either way.)
 
So, my conclusions...
 
sonarman1 was #$@& right! It did have something to do with the Pan Law, even though panning was not being used. Something in the way each DAW handles stereo tracks or something... I didn't figure this out right away because when I tried sonarman1's suggestion about Pan Law, I tried to change Studio One's Pan Law, which seems to be very difficult to do. I hope it is possible though. I still want to confirm that these two monster DAWs can null going the other way. But changing Pan Law in SONAR is easy, so I tried it...and it worked!!!!
 
Also, slight variations do matter as azslow3 pointed out. Typing in exact values I feel made a difference in getting a null. 
 
Jeff Evans is also right. However, due to default settings inherent to each DAW, out of the box, there will be differences in sound. It is a bit of a job, but if you configure all settings appropriately, these DAWs will indeed pass the null test. Jeff was right about that. Studio One does make it a bit difficult to change some settings. I wish it were a bit easier.
 
So in conclusion, out of the box, there are sound differences, but that is due to some default settings. If configured exactly the same, the will put out exactly the same audio result, as Jeff Evans pointed out.
 
So, as I eat a little humble pie... Jeff, please accept my apology. I was so passionate about this and had a driving need to see it through. I really wanted the results to null from the beginning and it was really bothering me that I could not get them to null. I had spent my money on a product (Studio One) and wanted to feel like I was getting just as quality of a tool as I had in SONAR. The fact that I could not get a null was gnawing at me. I wanted to see the hard evidence, the science if you will, behind it and know that it was so. I wasn't getting that so I had to keep pushing. I am so glad I did because now I feel a whole lot better about Studio One.
 
I still would like to see some improvements in some areas of course, but that is for another thread in another place. This was the big issue I needed to get past.
 
A thank you to sonarman1, azslow3, and Jeff Evans on shaping this journey and seeing it through.
 
Anyone out there considering Studio One and wondering if it can null with SONAR, it can. I have made sure to satisfy that question.
 
Edit: I would also like to thank CW3948368110 and sharke. Your help was also invaluable in this. Thank you.
 

Jeff Evans

ljb500
In comparison Sonar appears very set in its ways and long winded when carrying out the same simple tasks.

Yes with many things.  Like Aux tracks for example.  Somehow Studio One provides similar functionality without needing them.  Just allowing a buss to be able to act as an input source to an audio track is all it takes.  Things like allowing you to grab that gain handle on an audio event and change it.  Gain is added or subtracted right there and the waveform changes to reflect that. (with care you can easily match events rms levels by eye)  No need for gain or trim controls in the channel.  That same functionality is provided elsewhere.

Jeff Evans
Like Aux tracks for example.