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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 13:36:05 (permalink)
Another 2 great concepts. The protools narrow console is nice, clear and uncluttered. I like the Cake 2010 version too as it departs from the slavish emulation of hardware which is really not necessary at all.

If Cake 2010's concept was allowed to be opened in more than one instance, the number of channels viewable would be simply huge!

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 13:40:47 (permalink)
I do not like the vertical track names alignment too much. It makes me to lean my head to left to read them :). But it just me. :)

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 14:06:26 (permalink)
Im exhausted clicking buttons and searching trying to figure out X1 !

I just opened up 8.5.3..and WOW.........it's nice to be in friendly territory again !
As for now Im through farting around with X1...it's too confusing...I just want to record some audio.

Im happy to stay with 8.5 and wait until a more user friendly version of X1 comes along.

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 14:11:24 (permalink)
Not a fan of vertical track name either...

However, if the whole arrangement was horizontal and we could have multiple columns - now that could be cool. Call it "Mix view". Depends on whether people like horizontal meters etc.

Let me stress, I would in no way want "Narrow Console View" to be replaced with this "Mix view". Narrow view needs to have pans, sends and all the fruit... (ie ability to see, read and adjust values & text!)

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 14:31:43 (permalink)
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However, if the whole arrangement was horizontal and we could have multiple columns - now that could be cool. Call it "Mix view".
Yea for instance 25 tracks x 4 colums  = 100 tracks Mix View.  That would be great and there´s still space for track view.

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Re:X1 Narrow Console - My Dream 2010/12/11 16:23:37 (permalink)
Very, Very good job.
Thank you.
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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 16:27:37 (permalink)
Not a fan of vertical names either.  I think what N0rd provided was just perfect.

And while we're at it, color coding the Console View would be a welcomed addition.  Just saying :-)


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Re:X1 Narrow Console - My Dream 2010/12/11 16:31:24 (permalink)
This needs a bump!

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Re:X1 Narrow Console - My Dream 2010/12/11 16:36:26 (permalink)
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This needs a bump!


Or a Sticky!!

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 16:43:55 (permalink)
How about a completely customizeable Console view. 

1) Width of tracks under user control
2) Module buttons and features scaled to track width
3) order of modules under user control
4) features in each module turned on or off by user
5) Height of certain modules - like FX Bin - some use a lot of effects and want to see more.
6) Height of the meters would be nice to set too
7) Font size of each module under user control
8) Colors
9) etc.

This wouldn't eat up additional CPU cycles.  The program either has these attributes hardcoded in the code already, or they are reading from a variable list.  If these variables were more under user control the program does NOT run any less efficiently.

There could still be two sets of defaults - narrow or wide - but you could define your own "scenes" or states as presets and saved with the project.  Sometimes I have a very simple project with maybe only 8 tracks - so I want to see more detail on each track.  Other times I may have 30 or 40 tracks so I need to cram in as much as I can - And I want to decide what I see and how big.

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 17:10:41 (permalink)
I'm gonna play devils advocate for a moment and ask -- 

do you all think that, other than a few minor tweaks, CW is going to make those kinds of major changes in the short run?

Maybe next year or 9 months from now ... but I suspect they're going to stick to what they 'decided' on already and only take on the most egregious of complaints for awhile.

I hope I'm wrong, but i have a feeling we're stuck with the console view as is - and some of the other issues being reported for the most part, for awhile.




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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/11 17:18:08 (permalink)
@vertical names:

I kinda like it. To me it beats absolutely not knowing which channel I'm tweaking ;)



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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 07:43:51 (permalink)
IMO, they have to make changes quickly. Look what the competition can do:



80 Tracks, labeled (colored option) with 5 slots for FX and / or sends.
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Re:X1 Narrow Console - My Dream 2010/12/12 07:46:10 (permalink)
Thanks for all your comments everyone...
post edited by n0rd - 2010/12/12 23:18:18
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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 07:59:43 (permalink)
Damn.. it sure looks useful.
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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 11:20:29 (permalink)
i just to believe they tested it on a large, very high resolution monitor and it didn't look so big to them. Quite frankly I think the whole thing needs to be reduced by 50%-75%. 
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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 12:32:42 (permalink)
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I'm gonna play devils advocate for a moment and ask -- 

do you all think that, other than a few minor tweaks, CW is going to make those kinds of major changes in the short run?

Maybe next year or 9 months from now ... but I suspect they're going to stick to what they 'decided' on already and only take on the most egregious of complaints for awhile.

I hope I'm wrong, but i have a feeling we're stuck with the console view as is - and some of the other issues being reported for the most part, for awhile.

 
I don't think Cakewalk has much of a choice unless they plan to lose long time users, and I'm sure they don't want that. 
 
I trust they will fix this ASAP.  Otherwise...well, let's just leave it at that :-)
 
 

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 14:53:49 (permalink)
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IMO, they have to make changes quickly. Look what the competition can do:



80 Tracks, labeled (colored option) with 5 slots for FX and / or sends.

What is it? I want it!

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 15:00:21 (permalink)
I don't understand why a company like Cakewalk cannot realize that they can beat out all of the competition just by giving the consumers everything they ask for. After all, it is they who use the product. I loved using Sonar 4 for years. But Sonar 7 crashed if I looked at it wrong and many of my plugins didn't register. SO I canned it until 8.3. That's where I am at right now and loving it. X1 has clearly revealed itself to be another early experimental push on the public. They should get the bugs fixed in the older versions before revamping. If they can't do that, how can we expect something new to work properly? Microsoft is well known for this kind of shoddy business. An earlier post said it best....If it isn't broken... 
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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 17:45:35 (permalink)
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IMO, they have to make changes quickly. Look what the competition can do:



80 Tracks, labeled (colored option) with 5 slots for FX and / or sends.

What is it? I want it!

 
It's the "R" product.  And, yes, that looks good!
 
 

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 17:54:25 (permalink)
As in Reaper? I haven't used it in a long time, might come in handy for mix down chores.

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 19:53:59 (permalink)
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As in Reaper? I haven't used it in a long time, might come in handy for mix down chores.


It's worth a look. Both hosts do different things........come by the forum to it's good :)

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 20:04:52 (permalink)
i like the fact that names are up the fader ... like in modern consoles ...


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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 23:00:16 (permalink)
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i like the fact that names are up the fader ... like in modern consoles ...


You made me go look - I thought you were talking about X1's faders, now I realize you were referring to the screen shot of the Reaper console.  - It helps to make note in a post to what you're referring, it avoids confusion like that.

OK, I had to zoom way in to see any detail in that shot because it's so crammed with that crazy amount of tracks - All I see are numbers for the tracks.  Is that it?  The channels in Reaper aren't given names--?

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 23:14:04 (permalink)
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OK, I had to zoom way in to see any detail in that shot because it's so crammed with that crazy amount of tracks
Pic was taken on a 1920x1200 screen. So zooming is natural if viewing on a smaller res.

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All I see are numbers for the tracks.  Is that it?  The channels in Reaper aren't given names--?
Where is says "Track 44" for example - that is it's name. Sorry, but there was no way I was going to give 80 tracks a unique name! I guess I should have used something better that "Track". :S

Oh, just so you know, if you only had 25 tracks - each would be full height of the screen.
50 tracks = two rows of 25 at half length of screen.

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/12 23:22:18 (permalink)
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Where is says "Track 44" for example - that is it's name. Sorry, but there was no way I was going to give 80 tracks a unique name!..


 
Hi, n0rd, Thanks for the reply.

OK, I see.  I always name my tracks after what instrument or vocal is on them.  Even if I have 80 tracks, up until now it's been no problem naming them.  It's always been a simple matter of naming them as they're recorded.  In previous versions of Sonar, those names would be what I see in the Console View.  No mystery about what's on each track - There's no way I want only numbers.  Having to have a note pad for writing down that kind of info was the kind of thing we got rid of a decade ago.  Clearly labeled Names is what we should have on tracks.

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/13 00:53:40 (permalink)
Randy,

I sure wouldn't give unique names to 80 tracks on a fake project either.  N0rd only wanted to give an example of what another vendor is doing with their Console View in the hopes that someone from Cakewalk would see it.  I could be wrong, of course.

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/13 01:00:32 (permalink)
@reaper console/mix view:

It's as simple as double clicking on those names. "Tab" does work to go to the next (so you don't have to mouse click. In that view they are not narrowed. (not available in 3 to my knowledge)

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/13 01:08:46 (permalink)
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Randy,

I sure wouldn't give unique names to 80 tracks on a fake project either.  N0rd only wanted to give an example of what another vendor is doing with their Console View in the hopes that someone from Cakewalk would see it.  I could be wrong, of course.


Hmm, well if tried to demo how much better something else was, I Would make the effort to show it all - I assumed there were only numbers because that's all Reapear could do.  With N0rd's screen shot, my only reaction was that YOW there was way too much on the screen, all so tiny, only with numbers, and it looked worse than the already bad console display in X1 - and I rather think he wasn't trying to make that impression. 

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Re:Console view narrow strips Sonar 8.5.3 vs. X1 2010/12/13 01:32:16 (permalink)
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IMO, they have to make changes quickly. Look what the competition can do:

80 Tracks, labeled (colored option) with 5 slots for FX and / or sends.





+1
Yes, that's actually one of the features that you can find in PRO TOOLS too that are good.
I think it would even better if you can color the whole section of a track or Bus the same as in PRO TOOLS 9 HD.



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